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  • ‘The Acolyte’ Episode 7 Recap: The Jedi Blame Game

    ‘The Acolyte’ Episode 7 Recap: The Jedi Blame Game

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    Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast.

    One day you’re doing some surveying, gathering moss samples, and searching for a Force hot spot with your metal vergence detector on a seemingly uninhabited planet. The next day, you discover that the planet has inhabitants after all. And the day after that, it goes right back to being almost uninhabited, because you kinda killed your new acquaintances. Oops! What a whirlwind.

    After Episode 3 of The Acolyte gave us Osha’s side of what went down on Brendok 16 years before the series’ present, we knew another flashback was coming. As expected, it arrived in Episode 7, “Choice,” which featured the same director (Kogonada) and one of the same writers (Jasmyne Flournoy, along with Charmaine DeGraté and Jen Richards) as the first flashback. And wouldn’t you know it: While nothing we saw in Episode 3 was strictly false, most of it was true only from a certain point of view.

    The series took its sweet time getting to the big Brendok reveal—and I’ll take my sweet time getting to the part of this piece where I discuss the season’s structure—but now that we’ve watched a more comprehensive account of the coven’s demise, we can finally play the blame game. The Jedi did indeed behave badly, but they weren’t the only ones. Let’s assign responsibility, via bullet points and percentages:

    Sol: 51 percent (a symbolic majority share)

    • Bizarrely obsessed with saving twins from imagined danger, an impulse that ends up placing them in danger.
    • Contradicts the Council’s instructions to stop meddling in the coven’s affairs: major main character syndrome. Shows no respect for the chain of command, family relationships, or private property.
    • Kills Aniseya, who was seemingly just trying to whisk Mae away. (After this episode, can anyone explain why Mae suddenly decided to turn herself over to the Jedi in Episode 4?) Granted, it’s easy to misinterpret intent when the witch standing next to you starts making like the smoke monster from Lost, but still: He started it. Aniseya appears to have been unarmed; is that why Mae’s master demanded that Mae kill an unarmed Jedi to complete her mission of vengeance? (Or did he demand that she kill a Jedi without being armed? It’s still tough to say for certain.)
    • Mistakes Mae for Osha, just as he does on Khofar 16 years later. His whole “I feel a connection to Osha; … I feel she is meant to be my Padawan” stance would be a bit more persuasive if he could tell the twins apart. (In fairness to Sol, because the twins are two halves of the same consciousness—hence their creepy rhyme—they’re even more alike than regular twins or clones.)
    • Showed piss-poor telekinesis skills in maxing out at one twin saved from the falling bridge. For Sol, size seems to matter very much. (This is the guy who goes on to train the next generation of Jedi?) But, hey, it’s OK: You don’t have to hold the whole bridge up. Just grab the twins! How hard can that be for someone who’s reputed to be as powerful as Sol—even a younger Sol who hasn’t made master? Are you telling me this man’s max lift is one little girl? (I get that this is a stressful situation, Jedi abilities vary, there could be complications from proximity to the vergence, etc., but it would be nice if Star Wars stories were slightly more consistent about what their space wizards can and can’t do.)
    • It wasn’t his idea to lie about what happened, but he didn’t mount much of a protest. (That goes for Kelnacca and Torbin, too.)

    Indara: 10 percent

    • Sure, she wasn’t the instigator—if Sol and Torbin had followed her lead, all would’ve been well—but she let herself be swayed by Sol at first. As the ranking Jedi on the expedition, the buck stops with her. She’s the one who’ll have to file the very vague incident reports.
    • Her “That’s why I have a Padawan and you do not” crack apparently put Sol on tilt.
    • Waited seven weeks to tell her Padawan why he was wandering around Brendok saving seed samples. Which was handy for the writers of The Acolyte, who got to treat Torbin as an audience proxy as they explained the concept of a vergence, but seemed inconsiderate otherwise. I guess that was part of “teach[ing] him to seek the answers for himself.” No wonder he wanted out.
    • I don’t think she meant to kill almost the entire coven when she forced the witches from Kelnacca’s mind, but, well, that’s what happened. Which, on the witches’ end, seems like a serious flaw in that particular Force power. Excuse me, Thread power. Speaking of which, what happened to that “the Thread is not a power you wield” rhetoric from Episode 3? Desperate times, desperate measures, but maybe the witches would’ve been better off practicing what they preached. Or, you know, not practicing. I suppose it’s possible that the witches died not when they were booted from Kelnacca’s brain but in the subsequent explosion, but regardless, the result is the same: carnage of the kind the Nightsisters suffered at the hands—er, mechanical claws?—of General Grievous.
    • She’s the one who perpetrates the cover-up—ostensibly because Osha, who’s already lost everything else, won’t get to fulfill her dream of training to be a Jedi if the unvarnished truth comes out—but we can’t take this quartet at their word when it comes to their “noble intentions.” In this case, the crime is worse than the cover-up, but both are bad.

    Mother Aniseya: 10 percent

    • In an attempt to drive the Jedi away from Brendok, turns Torbin’s desire to get back to the bright lights and big city into a pressing need, which backfires when he comes to see the twins as his ticket home.
    • Like Sol, puts her emotional attachment over what’s good for the group—though at least the girl she’s emotionally attached to is her daughter, as opposed to someone else’s daughter whom she met yesterday.
    • It’s good to give your kid some autonomy. But if she’s still a minor—even a Force-sensitive minor whose consciousness was split into two identical bodies by a vergence—you don’t have to let her leave to be “raised by an institution instead of a family.” Especially when you’ve foreseen—maybe through the vergence’s vision-granting power—the destruction of “every Jedi in the galaxy.”
    • In the midst of a tense standoff, a heads-up about the smoke monster transformation probably would’ve been wise.

    Torbin: 10 percent

    • Dangerously homesick for Coruscant. Torbin, buddy, I know the feeling of wanting to head home after an interminable business trip, but I draw the line at trespassing. Of course, Torbin might have too, if he’d been in his right mind. Honestly, Torbin is sort of a scapegoat and pays a disproportionate price. Not only was he the only Jedi not to escape physically unscathed, but he also had the decency to withdraw from the world in penance (after he made master, anyway). Though now that we’ve seen what part he played, the decade-long Barash Vow, followed by a poison snack, seems like literal overkill. You were just a Padawan, acting under the influence of a Force witch. These are major extenuating circumstances! Give yourself a break!

    Koril: 10 percent

    • Clearly spoiling for a fight from the start; flouts Aniseya’s prohibition of violence. Definitely not trained in de-escalation techniques.
    • Tells Mae to “get angry,” which helps spark (so to speak) the catastrophic outcome. I must have skipped that page in the parenting playbook.
    • Suspiciously absent after the brief, one-way melee with Sol—“Fight me!,” she screams, anticipating Mae’s “Attack me with all your strength!”—and thus seemingly the lone member of the coven to survive, aside from the twins.

    Mae: 5 percent

    • So, no, she didn’t mean to start a fire, but she did practice poor fire safety after locking her sister in her room and seemingly sealing everyone else inside the base.
    • Also, all those midi-chlorians and much-ballyhooed blocking abilities, and you can’t extinguish a tiny fire before it mysteriously rages through a stone settlement and blows up a big generator? (By the way: The Jedi frame Force potential in terms of “M-count.” Does the coven call it Thread count?)

    Kelnacca: 4 percent

    • He sliced the coven’s elevator. Indara told him to, but still, rude.
    • He allowed his head to get hijacked by the coven, even after seeing the same thing happen to Torbin. Amateur move.

    The tragedy on Brendok doesn’t directly implicate the order itself: The Council actually rebukes the quartet for meddling too much even before the body count climbs. One could chalk this disaster up to the actions of a couple of rogue Jedi, and one wouldn’t be wrong. But the roots of the conflict extend deeper.

    Because of their past wars with the Sith and their present primacy among Force users, the Jedi are both wary and dismissive of other Force-sensitive sects. Hence Sol’s instant suspicion of the witches and concern for the twins, even though there’s no real evidence that the latter are in any trouble. (Granted, the two quotes from Mae’s mom that Mae cites at her entrance exam—“Everyone must walk through fear” and “Everyone must be sacrificed to fulfill their destiny”—might raise an eyebrow over at CPS also. And then there’s the virgin vergence birth.)

    Likewise, while we still haven’t learned the coven’s origin story, we’ve known since the third episode that they were “hunted, persecuted, [and] forced into hiding” because “some would consider [their] power dark.” No wonder they’re on high alert when the Jedi show up. The Jedi and the witches on the scene started the fire, yes, but this is more of an “It was always burning since the world’s been turning” scenario; the powder kegs were pre-supplied.

    A lot of ill-advised actions have to be taken for this worst-case outcome to occur, but then, a lot of real-life disasters do arise from dumb mistakes. And it’s not as if there’s no reason for these characters to make missteps like these. Although there’s been some speculation that the Sith may have masterminded this confrontation and conflagration, there was no sign of them this week. Nor were they needed. Bias, bad blood, and intergenerational trauma could have caused these tragic misunderstandings without Sith assistance.

    In Episode 3, we saw the same events through Osha’s eyes. This time, we seem to be seeing a wider-ranging version of events—perhaps some amalgamation of the content contained in Sol’s confession to Mae and Osha’s vision in Qimir’s cortosis helmet. If so, it’s possible that we won’t actually see him come clean to the twins next week. But we’ll certainly see the aftermath. When Sol said “I got you” and pulled Osha up from the edge of an abyss in Episode 3, it seemed like a rescue. This time, it seems like a capture. When we reunite with Osha next week, she’ll probably be viewing her whole history with Sol in a new light, too.

    Next week, by the way, is the season finale. (Though not the series finale, Leslye Headland hopes.) We can’t fully assess the season’s structure until we see how it ends, but so far, I can’t say it’s working that well for me. I give The Acolyte’s creators kudos for trying something nonstandard for Star Wars—not a shocker, coming from the cocreator and Season 1 showrunner of Russian Doll—but the pacing, timeline hopping, and hoarding of reveals have hurt the spectator experience, at least as a week-to-week watch.

    The first full-episode flashback came when we were still familiarizing ourselves with the world of the show, and it didn’t add a lot to our understanding of the present time frame. Saving other big beats for the penultimate episode forced the writers to stall in the interim, withholding or parceling out morsels of information in ways that sometimes seemed contrived. Worse, it meant that we watched most of this season knowing that we didn’t really know the main characters: Our foreknowledge of a deep, dark secret that was due to be unveiled prevented us both from bonding with anyone in the interim and from being surprised when we learned what the storytellers had been holding back. Thus, I’ve watched much of The Acolyte at an emotional remove—which, if nothing else, simulates the Jedi lifestyle. Throw in the abrupt endings to episodes that seemed like they could have been trimmed and combined (especially Episodes 4 and 5) and the momentum-killing absences of core characters during the protracted flashbacks—this week, Manny Jacinto’s mesmerizing “Stranger” remains one to us—and the overall flow seems disjointed.

    Let’s hope next week’s big finish smooths it out. But for now, let’s also end in a disjointed fashion: with some stray observations.

    • Well, we finally saw a live-action Wookiee swing a lightsaber on-screen, albeit for a less-than-heroic cause. I’m glad Kelnacca got to do some slashing and hacking, however misguidedly, which fulfilled a fan desire that George Lucas supposedly opposed. (Wookiee Jedi are scarce in the current canon, especially outside of The High Republic.) His fighting style is suitably brutal. But I still say Star Wars needs to let the Wookiees win—not by choking Torbin, but by speaking in an intelligible fashion. Why do Star Wars movies, shows, and comics subtitle the speech of crime lords and low-budget bounty hunters but not the most faithful and forceful of walking carpets? It may be tradition, but it ain’t right.
    • There’s such a stark disparity between the combat in The Acolyte and … well, almost everything else. That’s not to say the series has no other redeeming qualities, but the fight choreography is the one aspect we can confidently point to and pronounce The Acolyte the best in class in Star Wars during the Disney era. If that turns out to be the most lasting legacy of the series—and if some of its influence rubs off on future projects—there are worse ways to be remembered.
    • I’m still a little confused by an Indara line from Episode 3 that we hear again this week: “Mother Aniseya, you cannot deny the Jedi have a right to test potential Padawans. With your permission, of course.” Does this “right” extend to non-Republic worlds? And if it is a right that Aniseya “cannot deny,” then what good would withholding permission do? Presumably, the “permission” part is just a fig leaf obscuring the power dynamic that enables the Jedi to do what they want.
    • “A hundred years ago, this planet was cataloged as lifeless because of a hyperspace disaster,” Indara says about Brendok. That’s one of the series’ rare references to the High Republic books and comics—in this case, a shout-out to the aptly named Great Hyperspace Disaster, in which a freight transport ship broke apart in hyperspace, with devastating consequences. The pieces emerged from hyperspace unpredictably, bombarding various population centers as part of a terrorist plot by an enemy organization known as the Nihil. It’s an extremely long story.
    • Two of Sol’s lines from the Ascension ceremony in “Destiny” are missing in “Choice.” In Episode 3, between Mother Aniseya’s promise, “The scouts will bring Osha to your camp at midday,” and Indara’s response, “We appreciate your cooperation,” Sol interjects, “Both girls. Her sister, too.” In Episode 7, he doesn’t. This omission probably doesn’t reflect anything other than the creators’ desire to limit the amount of repeat material in this episode—which they did a decent job of, given that the format makes some rehashing inevitable—but it does reinforce the impression of unreliable narration. More obviously, Mae didn’t say “I’ll kill you!” to Osha this time. Memory is malleable!
    • Is Sol deluded in thinking that he and Osha are meant to be together, or will he turn out to be right, in a roundabout fashion? The Force works in mysterious ways; maybe Osha was meant to be Sol’s Padawan, despite all the pain their pairing has caused. Osha was seemingly created via vergence; Anakin Skywalker was a vergence. Obi-Wan Kenobi’s mentorship of Anakin didn’t have a happy ending, but as Qui-Gon Jinn anticipated, it worked out for the best for Anakin to leave his mother to join the Jedi, bringing-balance-to-the-Force-wise. (Just forget about the countless people killed by Darth Vader before balance was temporarily achieved.)
    • Now that the Jedi’s lies! and deceptions! have been laid bare, what’s the biggest remaining mystery and/or source of intrigue heading into the finale? Osha confronting Sol about how he misled her? Osha and Mae making up? Which one, if either, becomes the titular acolyte? The question of Sol’s survival, seeing as he may have to take his knowledge of the Sith’s existence to an early grave? The details of Mae’s survival on Brendok, and, relatedly, the whereabouts of Koril? More backstory about the Brendok witches, what the Ascension ceremony does, and whether Sol was right about the vibes being off? The potential for the Stranger to make clear how he fits into the history of the Sith and/or Knights of Ren? (Is that Darth Plagueis’s music?!) Vernestra confronting the Stranger, her possible Padawan of old? (We haven’t seen those characters interact at all, so I’m gonna go with “no” on that, though the prospect of Darth Teeth/Biceps vs. a lightwhip is tasty.) The potential for more of Jacinto to make it past the prudes at Disney? There are plenty of items of interest on this list, but Episode 7 didn’t do much to tee them up.
    • A pop song playing over Star Wars credits? Sure, why not? We’ll have the same song play us out today; take it away, Victoria Monét.

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  • ‘The Acolyte’ Episode 3 Recap: The Witching Hour

    ‘The Acolyte’ Episode 3 Recap: The Witching Hour

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    Obi-Wan Kenobi once said, “Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.” In that scene from Return of the Jedi, the master’s disembodied spirit explained to Luke Skywalker why a more corporeal Kenobi, back in Episode IV, had declared that Luke’s dad was dead when he was, in fact, inside the suit of Darth Vader. The real reason is that when George Lucas was making the first Star Wars movie, he hadn’t decided that Vader and Anakin Skywalker were one and the same. In universe, though, the line is more revealing than even Obi-Wan knew. Yes, from one perspective, Obi-Wan’s original contention to Luke was technically correct. But it was also comforting for Kenobi, in hiding on Tatooine (except for that one time), to think that his former Padawan was dead. He was deceiving himself as much as he was twisting the truth for his new protégé. As Kenobi told Ezra Bridger in Rebels, “The truth is often what we make of it. You heard what you wanted to hear, believed what you wanted to believe.”

    The same principle seems to apply to Episode 3 of The Acolyte—and this time, too, those squirrely Jedi are directly involved. Last week’s two-part premiere reunited Mae and Osha, two Force-sensitive twins who hadn’t seen each other since a childhood calamity destroyed their settlement and family, leaving each one believing that the other was dead. “Destiny,” a roughly 40-minute flashback that begins and ends at the poisonous but beautiful bunta tree, takes us back to Brendok, where that incident transpired 16 years earlier. (In contrast to last week’s two-word titles, this week’s has one, presumably because the twins are still together.) If we accept the episode’s version of events, there’s a lot about the twins’ backstory—and the series’ central mystery—that doesn’t add up. Perhaps, then, what we’ve seen is simply a certain point of view, one just as skewed by motivated reasoning as Obi-Wan’s was.

    Last week, I wrote that in light of Mae’s vendetta, Master Torbin’s Barash Vow and subsequent suicide, and Kelnacca’s off-the-grid digs, “the Jedi’s sins must be worse than the order’s standard cradle-robbing recruitment process.” Yet this week’s installment would have us believe that the Jedi on Brendok did nothing worse than thousands of other Jedi have done with thousands of other potential trainees. (Which, to be clear, is super sketch, but not something most Jedi seem to feel bad about.)

    In the middle of the Ascension ceremony that will mark Mae and Osha as full-fledged witches of their mothers’ coven, Indara, Sol, Kelnacca, and Torbin burst in to politely request strongly suggest pointedly demand that the two girls take the Jedi entrance exam. Mae, who quite reasonably wants to be a witch and doesn’t want to leave her family forever, flunks on purpose. Osha, who wants to see the galaxy, tells the truth, passes the audition, and prepares to set off for Coruscant. In response, a seemingly sociopathic Mae decides to kill her sister rather than let her leave. She sets a fire outside Osha’s room that soon spreads and destroys everyone, save for Mae herself and Osha, whom Sol rescues.

    Which, well, doesn’t make much sense. Not to be all “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” about this, but it doesn’t track that a stone sanctuary would go up in flames. Or that the blaze would kill a whole clan of Force users. Or, for that matter, that Jedi with nothing to hide or flee would leave a bunch of bodies lying on the ground and whisk Osha away without trying to help anyone. This is Star Wars, so all of the above may be sloppy storytelling. But that seems unlikely, considering creator Leslye Headland’s repeated references to the Rashomon effect. “We started to get really influenced by Rashomon, and the themes of the show started to rise to the top of duality, seeing things from different points of view,” she told Entertainment Weekly in an interview about “Destiny.” “So it made sense to me that when you did go back in time, there are a lot of different ways to interpret an event that happened.”

    Frankly, this series wouldn’t be very interesting if it turned out that the takeaway was that Mae was a monster who always wanted to Force pull the wings off a Brendok butterfly. (As we saw in the first scene, Osha briefly placed the winged creature in Force stasis, too—which might be why she reacted so strongly when Mae displayed the same impulse.) Nor would The Acolyte break any new narrative ground if it solely concerned the unintended consequences of kindly looking, well-intentioned but entitled Jedi taking immaculately conceived kids away from their moms. (See: the Star Wars prequels.) There must be more to the story.

    There are plenty of downsides to “Destiny,” which was directed by Kogonada and written by Jasmyne Flournoy and Eileen Shim. Aesthetically speaking, The Acolyte looks like Andor in its on-location establishing shots—Brendok’s vistas rival those of Aldhani—and The Book of Boba Fett in its interiors. The latter look fine by broader small-screen sci-fi standards, but a bit cheap for big-budget Star Wars; instead of giving “galaxy far, far away,” its sets scream “soundstage somewhere in England.” (I’m the “They Can’t All Be Andor” guy, but compare the witches’ ritual to the Eye of Aldhani.) The extended flashback’s pacing and dialogue are uneven, and despite strong work from Jodie Turner-Smith as Mother Aniseya, the episode suffers from its reliance on child actors—two actors, a departure from the two-for-one approach to Amandla Stenberg’s adult twins—to sell its emotional moments. And though the Nightsister-inspired coven is conceptually cool, there’s something sorta hokey about the witches’ chants and gesticulations. Han Solo would say that the Jedi are hokey, too, but an underrated aspect of lightsabers is that they give you something to do with your hands. Moving your arms in circles to generate VFX-supplied power sometimes looks a little silly. (Just ask Benedict Cumberbatch.)

    For now, though, I’m reserving judgment about the big beats that triggered my “Wait, why—?” response. I prefer to watch Star Wars series week to week when I’m recapping, so unlike a lot of critics, I haven’t seen Episode 4. I’m not saying I want the next chapter to be a full recounting of the same events from Mae’s POV—though if that’s what’s in store, they could call it “From My Point of View, the Jedi Are Evil”—but I’ll give it a week or two for the pieces to fall into place. (Give me more Kelnacca!)

    Even though the truth remains murky by design, “Destiny” does convey a clear point. Although we’re watching primarily through the Jedi-pilled Osha’s 8-year-old eyes, the “deranged monks” (in Mother Koril’s words) come off as creepy cops. Lee Jung-jae makes it tough to root against the Qui-Gon-coded Sol, but consider what the character is doing when we first see him in this episode: skulking around a forest as he spies on little girls. The Jedi then slice the platform to coven HQ so that they can crash the witches’ sacred ceremony. They cite Republic law that doesn’t obtain on Brendok to justify their actions and dubiously claim that they thought the planet was uninhabited. (If that’s the case, what brought them there?)

    On the surface, their visit is peaceful, but the subtext is clear. “Mother Aniseya, you cannot deny that Jedi have the right to test potential Padawans,” Indara says, but what gives them that right? Maybe might makes right: The implicit threat in her words is hardly leavened by her hasty “With your permission, of course.” (Especially since Sol insists on Mae taking the test against her will.) When Sol takes out his lightsaber, it seems for a second that he has violence in mind. The reality might be more disturbing: He’s using this “elegant weapon for a more civilized age” to tempt Osha away from her family. If that’s what she wants, so be it, but Sol may as well be handing out candy to kids to entice them into an unmarked van. (Children, don’t take sabers from strangers.) And then there’s Torbin, who takes a blood sample without warning or consent. There’s something almost vampiric about the Jedi’s descent on Brendok to harvest its young—except that, unlike vampires, the Jedi don’t ask to be invited in. At least the negotiations were short.

    And hey, ever wonder how the witches wound up in exile? As Mother Aniseya says, “We were hunted, persecuted, forced into hiding, all because some would consider our power dark. Unnatural.” Hunted by whom, one wonders. Think the Jedi may have been among the multispecies coven’s persecutors? “This is about power and who is allowed to use it,” Mother Aniseya says. And though the witches are the ones chanting “the power of many,” the Jedi wield it.

    If anything, this is all an overdue dragging of the Jedi MO: We’ve seen plenty of wholesome scenes—and one not so wholesome scene—of younglings in the Temple, but The Phantom Menace aside, we haven’t seen any on-screen depictions of how they get there. Sure, some families might see it as an honor to send a high-midi-chlorian-count kid to Coruscant, or they accept that the order will give their kid a better life than they can. But it can’t be the case that every Jedi’s parents handed over their kids without being coerced. And how many younglings do you know who would willingly leave their homes with cloaked visitors, never to return?

    Granted, in light of their past wars with the Sith, it’s understandable that the Jedi would still be a tad sensitive to Dark Side–adjacent techniques. And unlike the Jedi, the coven seems comfortable dwelling in the gray. (Witness the witches’ mental takeover of Torbin.) The mysterious practices surrounding the twins’ birth may be forbidden fruit. “What happens if the Jedi discover how you created them?” Koril asks Aniseya. That question, and Aniseya’s allusion to the fact that “some” consider the coven’s power “unnatural,” echo Palpatine’s tale of Darth Plagueis the Wise.

    In the now decanonized Legends timeline—which Headland is well versed in—Darth Plagueis and his apprentice, Darth Sidious (a.k.a. Palpy), inadvertently cause Anakin’s creation by messing with midi-chlorians to bring about life. (Mae and Osha mirror Anakin so closely that The Acolyte is starting to seem like a dry run for Episode I; “they have no father” is almost word for word what Shmi Skywalker said, and their Force screening is the same as Anakin’s.) If Aniseya performed a similar “miracle,” it’s hardly surprising that Osha and Mae would be of such interest to the Jedi and Sith. Remember, the prophecy from the prequels—which refers to a Chosen One “born of no father”—is an ancient one, and though this era appears peaceful, balance is easily lost.

    It’s suspicious that before the Ascension, Aniseya and Koril seem to sense a disturbance—possibly a saboteur?—in the vicinity of the coven’s power core, which just as suspiciously explodes soon after Mae sets a small fire. (The fire-suppression system must not have been OSHAba-dum tsh—compliant.) I’m not necessarily saying that Brendok was an inside job; maybe Mae was framed by the Jedi or Sith in an effort to spirit the twins away. This may mean nothing, but there are two hooded figures who don’t blend in with the witches—a master and an apprentice?—behind Aniseya at the ceremony:

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    Most suspicious of all: At the end of the episode, Torbin is visible in the background, bearing a fresh wound that will turn into the scar he sported in Episode 2. We haven’t seen how he got hurt, but the fire didn’t do it. Maybe the Jedi jumped to conclusions because of their bias against the coven—or were goaded into rash action by the Sith or Koril (whose body wasn’t shown).

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    Despite the “witch” terminology, the “mother” honorifics, the bows and arrows, and the presence of a zabrak, Aniseya’s followers are not the Nightsisters. There’s plenty of precedent in canon and Legends alike for groups that have different conceptions of, and names for, the Force. This clan calls it the Thread, and they say they don’t see it as a “a power you wield” (although they sure like to talk about power). That difference may be mostly semantic because the Jedi and the coven are aligned on the fundamentals of the Force: that it links all living things and binds the galaxy together. Aniseya’s council even consists of 12 members, just as the Jedi Council does. More connects them than divides them, yet they’re hopelessly separate—not unlike the two twins who revolve around each other, like the blue and red celestial bodies in Brendok’s sky (which line up less and less as the twins’ paths part).

    Speaking of intractable differences: That this franchise has become a culture-war battleground muddies discussions of any new release’s quality. As I write this, the IMDb user rating for “Destiny” is 4.0. However one feels about child actors, lackluster sets, and the flammability of stone, that number undoubtedly has more to do with the episode’s diversity (and lack of white dudes) than it does with any problems with the production or plot. (As Mother Aniseya says, “This is not about good or bad.”) Aniseya also says, “The galaxy is not a place that welcomes women like us,” which sounds like an accurate commentary on some portion of the Star Wars audience. Naturally, the trolling, harassment, and review bombing from that toxic quarter not only prompt righteous condemnations, but also, perhaps, elicit some overexuberant rave reviews intended to balance out bad-faith attacks. All of which makes it more difficult to assess the sentiments of viewers who approach this prequel without preconceptions.

    Less online Star Wars watchers are probably blissfully unaware of this discourse, just as Mae and Osha were unaware of each other’s survival. These fans will watch, or they won’t; get engaged, or be bored; theorize, or write off the rest. Thus far, I think it’s OK to come down in the middle, much as the series so far ranks near the midpoint of recent Star Wars extremes. The Acolyte is neither a misfire nor an unalloyed narrative triumph. It’s neither another entry in the franchise’s traditional time frame nor a drastic departure from its typical content. I want to watch more of it, but I also want more out of it. Fortunately, five weeks remain. “You will never feel like this again,” Sol promises Osha. Maybe I’ll feel less ambivalence soon.

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  • WrestleMania Weekend Recap: Big Takeaways, Why We Love Wrestling, and Why Cody Rhodes Is a Grrreat Guy. Plus, Rhea Ripley Has Beef With Troy.

    WrestleMania Weekend Recap: Big Takeaways, Why We Love Wrestling, and Why Cody Rhodes Is a Grrreat Guy. Plus, Rhea Ripley Has Beef With Troy.

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    Back in their home studios following an unforgettable weekend in Philadelphia, Rosenberg and SGG are ready to react to what some are calling the greatest WrestleMania of all time. Here’s what to expect today:

    • Intro (00:00)
    • Troy the Goy has a confession to make (07:41)
    • An update on the Cheap Heat T-shirts (12:18)
    • Why Rhea Ripley has an issue with Troy (14:58)
    • Where this year’s WrestleMania ranks among the all-time shows (21:56)
    • The Undertaker instead of Stone Cold Steve Austin (27:18)?
    • Rosenberg’s takeaways from hanging out with Cody Rhodes (31:59)
    • The second-best thing to happen this weekend (40:22)
    • Damien Priest cashing in (44:22)
    • Mailbag (56:38)

    And guess what? The video of last week’s LIVE Cheap Heat drops on Rosenberg’s YouTube channel soon. For other updates from the podcast, please follow @cheapheatpod on Instagram, as well as @rosenbergradio, @statguygreg, @thediperstein, and @troy_farkas.

    Hosts: Peter Rosenberg and Greg Hyde
    Producer: Troy Farkas

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  • An Important Conversation With Big E About Mental Health, Loss, and the Bray Wyatt Film. Plus, Dip and Peter Recap ‘Raw.’

    An Important Conversation With Big E About Mental Health, Loss, and the Bray Wyatt Film. Plus, Dip and Peter Recap ‘Raw.’

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    Two days before Rosenberg and Dip appear in front of a SOLD-OUT crowd in Philadelphia, they’re together in New York City to discuss their big takeaways from last night’s Raw. (00:00) After that, Dip airs some grievances about the luxury towel industry, solicits bagel recommendations in Saudi Arabia, and then pulls it together for a little mailbag (28:40).

    Then, Big E joins Rosenberg for a chat intended to be about WrestleMania, but becomes a much more important conversation (43:55). Rosenberg and Big E each open up about their own mental health struggles, and Big E sheds light on how meditation and living in the present moment has helped him overcome his demons. The guys then finish out the conversation with a discussion concerning the Bray Wyatt documentary and how Wyatt’s sudden death changed Big E’s perspective on life (01:08:45).

    Thanks to Snickers for helping Big E join the program.

    We’ll see you Thursday.

    Hosts: Peter Rosenberg and Dip
    Guest: Big E
    Producer: Troy Farkas

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  • ‘Shogun’ Episode 6 Recap With Justin Marks and Rachel Kondo

    ‘Shogun’ Episode 6 Recap With Justin Marks and Rachel Kondo

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    Jo and Rob return to break down the sixth episode of Shogun. They discuss the effective use of flashbacks in this episode, the theatrics behind Toranaga’s political maneuvering, and how the show deftly deploys violence. Along the way, they talk about the growing jealousy that revolves around Blackthorne. Later, they’re joined by Shogun series cocreators Justin Marks and Rachel Kondo to talk about making sure the humor from the novel translated from the page to the screen, the power of Fuji’s reaction shots, why Toranaga was the perfect role for Hiroyuki Sanada to play, and much more.

    Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney
    Guests: Justin Marks and Rachel Kondo
    Producer: Kai Grady

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  • Duke basketball fights off feisty Vermont to win NCAA Tournament first-round game

    Duke basketball fights off feisty Vermont to win NCAA Tournament first-round game

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    No. 11 Duke’s NCAA Tournament opener proved far from easy, but the Blue Devils made enough shots late to turn back stubborn Vermont.

    With senior guard Jeremy Roach scoring 10 of his 14 points in the game’s final 10 minutes, No 4 seed Duke finally extended its lead into double digits to defeat No. 13 seed Vermont, 64-47, in a South Region first-round game at Barclays Center.

    The Blue Devils (25-8) advance to Sunday’s second round to play No. 12 seed James Madison (32-3), which eliminated No. 5 seed Wisconsin, 72-61, Friday night.

    “We stayed poised down the stretch,” Duke freshman guard Jared McCain said. “They hit tough shots and we stayed poised. And we worked on it all week, get defensive stops, defense is going to win these games. We have the talent for offense. It’s going to be defense.”

    Vermont (28-7), the America East champion, saw its season end after it shot just 28% in the second half to finish at 38.5% for the game. Shamir Bogues scored a game-high 18 points for the Catamounts, whose 47 points were 25 points below their season scoring average of 72.3.

    Duke’s Ryan Young (15) and Tyrese Proctor (5) dive after a loose ball with Vermont’s Sam Alamutu (2) during the second half of Duke’s 64-47 victory over Vermont in the first round of the NCAA Tournament at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, N.Y., Friday, March 22, 2024.
    Duke’s Ryan Young (15) and Tyrese Proctor (5) dive after a loose ball with Vermont’s Sam Alamutu (2) during the second half of Duke’s 64-47 victory over Vermont in the first round of the NCAA Tournament at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, N.Y., Friday, March 22, 2024. Ethan Hyman ehyman@newsobserver.com

    McCain and Mark Mitchell each scored 15 points for Duke while Tyrese Proctor added 13.

    “I just thought it was a terrific job by these guys and showing a lot of toughness, a lot of heart and really proud of this win,” Duke coach Jon Scheyer said.

    After Duke took a 34-29 halftime lead, neither team could find its shooting range over the first eight minutes of the second half. The Blue Devils scored on just one of their first five possessions. Vermont cut the Blue Devils’ lead to 36-34 and had possession only to see Nick Fiorillo miss a 3-pointer that would have put his team in front.

    McCain answered with a 3-pointer for Duke and when Proctor added a 3-pointer with 14:46 to play, Duke led 42-35.

    The Blue Devils continued to slowly expand their lead as, on back-to-back possessions, McCain scored on a driving bank shot and Mitchell added a basket in the lane for a 46-37 advantage.

    Duke’s Jeremy Roach (3) heads to the basket during Duke’s 64-47 victory over Vermont in the first round of the NCAA Tournament at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, N.Y., Friday, March 22, 2024.
    Duke’s Jeremy Roach (3) heads to the basket during Duke’s 64-47 victory over Vermont in the first round of the NCAA Tournament at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, N.Y., Friday, March 22, 2024. Ethan Hyman ehyman@newsobserver.com

    Roach scored after a drive through the lane at 9:25 and added two free throws with 8:51 remaining giving Duke its largest lead, to that point, at 50-39.

    Bogues scored five Vermont points in a row to put pressure on the Blue Devils by slicing their lead to 50-44.

    But Proctor drilled a 3-pointer at the top of the key and, with 4:53 remaining, Roach drove the lane to score while drawing a foul. His free throw gave Duke its largest lead, at that point, at 56-44. Vermont never drew closer than nine points again.

    “I just wanted to keep trying to be aggressive,” Roach said. “The last 10 minutes, I knew it was big time.”

    Duke led by as many as 10 points twice in the first half, making six of its first seven shots and eight of the first 12 overall. But after building a 28-18 lead on a Jaylen Blakes steal and layup, Duke’s offense fell silent. The Blue Devils went four minutes, 23 seconds between made field goals, scoring only on a Kyle Filipowski free throw while turning the ball over three times during that stretch.

    The Blue Devil reacts to a foul by Duke’s Jeremy Roach during the first half of Duke’s game against Vermont in the first round of the NCAA Tournament at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, N.Y., Friday, March 22, 2024.
    The Blue Devil reacts to a foul by Duke’s Jeremy Roach during the first half of Duke’s game against Vermont in the first round of the NCAA Tournament at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, N.Y., Friday, March 22, 2024. Ethan Hyman ehyman@newsobserver.com

    That allowed the Catamounts get back into the game and energize the upset-wishing crowd. Bogues’ basket with two minutes left in the half trimmed Duke’s lead to 29-27.

    But McCain halted Duke’s shooting drought with a 3-pointer before adding two free throws after he recorded a steal as Duke took a 34-29 halftime lead.

    Duke’s win allowed it to avoid the program’s first three-game losing streak since the 2020-21 season — the pandemic-altered campaign when the Blue Devils endured three three-game losing streaks while going 13-11 and missing the NCAA Tournament.

    The last time Duke lost its final three games of a season was in 2006-07, when it ended on a four-game skid that included a 79-77 NCAA Tournament loss to Virginia Commonwealth.

    This story was originally published March 22, 2024, 9:21 PM.

    Steve Wiseman has covered Duke athletics since 2010 for the Durham Herald-Sun and Raleigh News & Observer. In the Associated Press Sports Editors national contest, he’s placed in the top 10 in beat writing in 2019, 2021 and 2022, breaking news in 2019 and explanatory writing in 2018. Previously, Steve worked for The State (Columbia, SC), Herald-Journal (Spartanburg, S.C.), The Sun Herald (Biloxi, Miss.), Charlotte Observer and Hickory (NC) Daily Record covering beats including the NFL’s Carolina Panthers and New Orleans Saints, University of South Carolina athletics and the S.C. General Assembly. He’s won numerous state-level press association awards. Steve graduated from Illinois State University in 1989.

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  • Summer House Recap: Lindsay Hubbard Claims Carl Didn’t ‘Initiate’ Sex

    Summer House Recap: Lindsay Hubbard Claims Carl Didn’t ‘Initiate’ Sex

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    Lindsay Hubbard claimed Carl Radke is “not a very sexual person” while detailing their sex life on the latest episode of Summer House.

    “How often are you having sex?” Paige DeSorbo asked during the Thursday, March 21, episode of the Bravo series, which was filmed in July 2023. Lindsay, 37, replied, “Like, once every couple of weeks.”

    Paige, 31, was shocked by Lindsay’s revelation, telling her, “You gotta change that!”

    “You’re probably having sex with your long-distance boyfriend more than me,” Lindsay said, referring to Paige’s relationship with Southern Charm’s Craig Conover who lives in a different state. Paige teased, “Craig and I are f–king all the time.”

    Related: ‘Summer House’ Season 8 Signs Carl and Lindsay Were Headed for a Split

    Bravo/YouTube (2) Carl Radke and Lindsay Hubbard’s split surprised many fans — but season 8 of Summer House continues to prove that a breakup was inevitable. Us Weekly confirmed in August 2023 that Carl, 39, called off his and Lindsay’s engagement one year after his proposal. Lindsay, 37, later told Us she was “completely blindsided” by […]

    Amanda Batula noted that Lindsay shouldn’t “compare” her and Carl’s romance to that of hers with Kyle Cooke since they’ve been together nearly a decade. However, Amanda said that during year two of their relationship Amanda, 32, and Kyle, 42, had sex “every day.”

    Lindsay shared that when she and Carl, 39, are intimate they have “such good sex,” but hinted that Carl didn’t seem interested in upping their bedroom game.

    “Your f–king boyfriend, and your husband are initiating. Mine just doesn’t even initiate,” she claimed of her then-fiancé.

    Summer House Recap Lindsay Hubbard Claims Carl Radke Didn t Initiate Sex Before Split 269
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    While Amanda and Paige encouraged Lindsay to keep trying with Carl, Paige later expressed concerns about their relationship during a confessional.

    “I feel like when people talk about their sex life, they lie a little,” she told the cameras, explaining that Lindsay saying they “don’t have sex for two weeks at a time” means in “girl math” that it was really “six weeks” of nothing. “I don’t make the rules, but that’s alarming,” Paige confessed.

    Carl wasn’t in the Hamptons when Lindsay opened up to the girls about their bedroom problems. Kyle, meanwhile, told the group of guys that he’d heard about similar issues between the couple from friends.

    “I have been told by people who have been to their apartment that by the looks of it … they might be sleeping separately there too,” Kyle claimed while speaking with Craig, who was in town to visit Paige, and housemates Jesse Solomon and West Wilson.

    Feature Lindsay Hubbard and Carl Radke Relationship Timeline

    Related: Summer House’s Lindsay Hubbard and Carl Radke: The Way They Were

    Lindsay Hubbard and Carl Radke went through it all on Summer House — from breakups to makeups and more — before calling off their engagement in August 2023. When the series premiered on Bravo in January 2017, Hubbard and Radke were part of the OG cast of Summer House and have since returned for every […]

    Kyle noted that based on Carl and Lindsay’s drama during the first few weeks of summer he thought there were “deep rooted issues” between them. “I’m worried for the guy,” he confessed.

    Earlier this season, Lindsay accused Carl of doing drugs on several occasions, which he adamantly denied. The tension led to Carl deciding to skip that Friday in the Hamptons to try and “break the cycle of the Friday night fight.”

    Us Weekly confirmed in August 2023 that after filming season 8, Carl called off his engagement to Lindsay. The pair planned to tie the knot that November.

    Summer House airs on Bravo Thursdays at 9 p.m. ET.

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  • ‘Shogun’ Series Premiere Recap

    ‘Shogun’ Series Premiere Recap

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    Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney reunite to break down the two-episode premiere of FX’s new series Shogun. They open by unpacking the premise of the historical epic, its early adaptation choices, and its ties to the James Clavell novel of the same name. Next, they discuss the introduction of the show’s trio of main characters (John Blackthorne, Yoshii Toranaga, and Toda Mariko), their respective positions in the story so far, and the ensuing power struggle among the Council of Regents. Later, they close by highlighting their favorite production aspects, including the intricate set design and the immaculate costuming.

    Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney
    Producer: Kai Grady

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  • Carolina Hurricanes can’t find their offense again, fall to Dallas Stars at PNC Arena

    Carolina Hurricanes can’t find their offense again, fall to Dallas Stars at PNC Arena

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    Dallas Stars goaltender Jake Oettinger (29) stops the scoring attempt by Carolina Hurricanes center Martin Necas (88) during the first period at PNC Arena.

    Dallas Stars goaltender Jake Oettinger (29) stops the scoring attempt by Carolina Hurricanes center Martin Necas (88) during the first period at PNC Arena.

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    The Carolina Hurricanes’ past two games, against the Florida Panthers and Dallas Stars, had one thing in common: Sebastian Aho had the only Canes goal.

    One was enough against the Panthers, but not the Stars.

    Dallas finished off a season sweep of the Hurricanes on Saturday, taking a 2-1 victory at PNC Arena to end a four-game winless streak that had tested the patience of Stars coach Peter DeBoer.

    Goalie Jake Oettinger had 21 saves in earning his 21st win of the season, allowing only the Aho goal in the second period. The goals came from Jason Robertson in the first and Wyatt Johnston in the second as the Stars managed just 16 shots against the Canes and goalie Pyotr Kochetkov.

    “We didn’t get any bounces and they made two real nice plays on the goals,” Canes coach Rod Brind’Amour said. “We had a few chances but it wasn’t a ton, that’s for sure.”

    DeBoer questioned his team’s compete level during the four-game stumble. He didn’t have to Saturday as the Stars won enough board fights and neutral-zone battles, and blocked 25 shots.

    “They did a real nice job and I thought we did, too,” Brind’Amour said. “We played a great game. To hold a team like that to 16 shots is pretty good. But they’re a good team and they blocked 20-plus shots tonight. It was a hard-fought game and there wasn’t a lot of room and we didn’t find it.”

    The Canes (34-18-5) were not as sharp and not nearly as emotionally invested as they were against the Panthers.

    There’s bad blood between the Canes and Panthers after last year’s playoff series and it showed Thursday as Carolina won 1-0 on Aho’s late goal.

    Several players went at it when the game ended. One of the Canes players was Kochetkov, who moments after his 44-save shutout jumped into the skirmish along the boards, later saying: “These guys no touch my guys.”

    As exciting and intense as Thursday’s game was, Saturday’s was more of a grind.

    “It looked like we were a little lethargic at times,” Canes captain Jordan Staal said. “Obviously it wasn’t the same jump. But it’s the NHL. We had a sold-out crowd looking for a big game and we disappointed a little bit.”

    Robertson scored in the first period just after the Canes’ Brent Burns blistered a shot that hit the crossbar.

    “That’s the game, inches one way or the other,” Brind’Amour said. “It certainly was not in our favor tonight.”

    Johnston’s goal, which was the winner, came off the rush in the second for a 2-1 lead. His shot went through the legs of Canes defenseman Jaccob Slavin and was on Kochetkov quickly at 8:15 of the period.

    Aho’s 22nd of the season tied the score 1-1 early in the second. Taking a pass from Jesper Fast out of the neutral zone, he skated through two Stars players down the slot and beat Oettinger high to the glove.

    The Stars (35-16-8) began the third on a power play after Canes defenseman Dmitry Orlov was called for an interference penalty with a half-second left in the second. The Canes killed it off, but Orlov then had another penalty for tripping in the third that put the penalty killers back to work.

    “The PK pulled through for us again,” Staal said,

    The Canes had a power play eight minutes into the third, with a chance to tie it, but did little with it. They pulled Kochetkov for an extra attacker in the final minutes but Oettinger made a scrambling save on a Martin Necas shot with 19 seconds remaining.

    Dallas, which beat the Canes 4-2 at home Feb. 13, did it again 11 days later. A common thread: Robertson, always the sniper, scored in both games.

    The Hurricanes finish off a back-to-back set with a game Sunday at Buffalo. Goalie Spencer Martin is expected to be the starter for the Canes, who then have road games at Minnesota and Columbus.

    This story was originally published February 24, 2024, 10:40 PM.

    In more than 40 years at The N&O, Chip Alexander has covered the N.C. State, UNC, Duke and East Carolina beats, and now is in his 15th season on the Carolina Hurricanes beat. Alexander, who has won numerous writing awards at the state and national level, covered the Hurricanes’ move to North Carolina in 1997 and was a part of The N&O’s coverage of the Canes’ 2006 Stanley Cup run.

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  • ‘Bachelor’ Joey deepens connections while drama grows with Maria

    ‘Bachelor’ Joey deepens connections while drama grows with Maria

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    “The Bachelor” picked up Tuesday night with Maria walking out of the cocktail party saying that she wanted to go home. “I’m trying to navigate this with grace,” Lea said to Joey. It’s really ridiculous that she inserted herself in this situation. “I’m just trying to put my best foot forward.”

    Gina: The part that got me was when Lea noted that Maria was leaving the castle and “we were all confused.” I nearly spit out my water. Girl, YOU DID THAT!

    Madina went out to Maria and told her that she wasn’t alone. “That’s an awful feeling and I want you to know that you are not alone,” she said. Madina really is a sweet, yet emotional person. Jesse Palmer chose that moment to “ding, ding!” and end the cocktail party.

    Maria gathers herself and walks into where the group of women is lined up and waiting for Joey. Remember, she already has a rose from the two-on-one date.

    Rose Ceremony

    1) Lexi (1-on-1 date)

    2) Kelsey T. (group date)

    3) Maria (2-on-1 date)

    4) Kelsey A.

    5) Katelyn

    6) Daisy

    7) Rachel

    8) Jenn

    9) Autumn

    10) Jess

    11) Madina

    12) Lea

    I suppose he had to keep Lea because she’s bringing the drama. That meant Allison and Edwina were eliminated. Maria vowed not to run and to keep her eye on the prize: Joey. He announced they were all heading to Andalusia, Spain!

    Gina: Edwina said that she was proud to be going home knowing she gave 100% and she’s right. I liked her a lot! Also, what was that little smirk Lea gave when Daisy was called? I want to know. Also, that she almost tripped when she got back to her place felt like a little Lea karma. Just me?

    Women Arrive in Spain

    The women hoped for a fresh start without drama, but I have a feeling, as I’m sure most of Bachelor Nation does, there’s no avoiding drama. Joey met up with the woman by riding in on a Vespa. Kelsey A. said her grandma is actually from this part of Spain. “Kelsey A., would you like to jump on that Vespa and get out of here?” he asked her. She happily jumped up and zipped away with Joey. Maria asked the other women as they watched Kelsey ride away, if they had gotten the Lea card, where they could steal a one-on-one, would they have used it in that moment. Kelsey T. said she would have kept it, but she’s not sure if she would have used it or not. Lea spoke up and said that if she had to “cheat” to get a one-on-one she didn’t want it, she wanted to wait to get her turn. Maria nodded. Kelsey T. walked away and cried because she was sad she didn’t get the one-on-one.

    Gina: I like that Maria tried to really wipe the slate clean and toasted to all the women there. Lea, of course, is showing her true colors and you’re right, Jen, there is no avoiding drama. Maria wishes you were not right!

    Kelsey A.’s 1-on-1 date

    Kelsey A. hoped that she wasn’t too far behind the other women who already had one-on-one dates. Joey took Kelsey A. to a shop to get food for a picnic. They also did a bit of wine tasting. Then they went for a walk, played some soccer, and a couple told them they would have a happy future because the fountain they visited was magic. We’ll see! They each tossed a coin in and made a wish. Joey said the day felt very natural and they definitely have chemistry!

    That evening, they went to a 13th-century bathhouse for dinner. Joey told her that he felt butterflies with her. Kelsey A. said that it was so great to have a full day to get to know him and strengthen their relationship. She shared that her mom and dad met in the military and her mom was even soldier of the year multiple times. Ten years ago, she got breast cancer and it metastasized to her bones, she had six months to live, but she died after two months. Kelsey A. cried as she shared this with Joey. “I know at the end there is an engagement but it’s hard to think of my mom not being at my wedding,” she said. “I think she’d like you.”

    Joey appreciated everything that Kelsey A. shared with him. It was no surprise that he offered her the date rose! As they walked outside, a man serenaded them with a guitar and they danced and kissed into the night. “I guess I might be starting to fall for Joey!” Kelsey A. said.

    Gina: They’re really trying to make me cry with these heartfelt conversations, aren’t they? I’ve lost both my parents and those realizations that you’re not able to share the big life moments and even the small ones really hit you. Kudos to Kelsey A. for being able to talk about it with Joey. And kudos to Joey for being so sweet and understanding.

    Date Card Arrives

    Back with the women, Kelsey T. continued to cry. Rachel tried to lend a supportive ear, but she was just struggling. “Today felt very real,” she said to the whole group. There was a knock at the door. The date card read, “Lexi, Daisy, Jenn, Autumn, Maria, Katelyn, Madina, Lea, Jess, and Kelsey T. Our love is a work of art.” That means that Rachel was going to get a one-on-one!

    Group Date

    In Marbella, the group of women met up with Joey at a villa. Paula, a mixed-media artist, she asked them to write a quote about their life and feelings for Joey. They also had to paint something that conveyed that quote. Lea just kept talking about how she wished Maria wasn’t there. Maria painted a picture of their two-on-one date.

    Joey’s painting was of himself holding an engagement ring. Daisy liked that included a ring because it showed it was top of mind. The paintings and sayings were very sweet by all of the women. Jess was the one that won! They had to get in their bathing suits because they were going to do some couples painting, with their bodies! They rolled all over a blanket canvas with their very painted selves. They had a great time!

    Later on, they had a cocktail party where they could have some one-on-one conversations. Jenn was first. He told her he did take notice of her painting and loved the reminder of the fun time and connection they have. “I see a real future, I see something that can build,” he said. Kelsey T. shared a little bit of the internal struggle she’s having. Joey told her to hang in there.

    Gina: I mentioned this last night, their connection seems super strong and I like where it’s going.

    Maria shared with Joey that her mom left and she wasn’t around. They were in a very bad accident when she was 1 year old. Her car seat was in pieces and she was declared dead at the scene but managed somehow to be revived and is a walking miracle. Her mother broke every bone in her body, went through an awful depression, and wasn’t around for most of her childhood. Her dad fought for her and stayed there to remain married. So it seems they eventually worked everything out. She describes her mother and her relationship as “a work in progress.” In the end, he offered her the date rose! Lea could have spit nails! “My heart is in my *expletive*,” she said. “I thought she was the last person this rose could have gone to.”

    Gina: Well, Lea, you are not Joey. So your opinion on who gets the date rose is not relevant here. Also, she had the audacity to say that Maria was putting on a good performance. Really? I believe it’s Lea who had us all believing she was more mature than she really is. Just sayin’.

    Rachel’s 1-on-1 Date

    Rachel’s date card said, “Bailamos mi amor.” They would be going dancing! Joey was excited to see her because he said there was a spark and level of ease between them. They walked to a Flamenco show! Rachel said that she’s always wanted to see this in real life. Joey looked so funny in his shorts and Flamenco boots. You really need some pants with those, ha ha! After some practice, they got to take part in the Flamenco show in front of a real audience. Thankfully, they wore real Flamenco outfits, so he had some pants with his dance boots.

    Gina: Dear ABC, the next time I interview Joey, I’d ask that he wears shorts and flamenco boots because that was a serious VIBE! I’m with you, Jen, on being glad they went with traditional flamenco garb for their performance.

    They walked around in the evening and visited a local pizzeria. It was beautiful inside! Rachel said that she’s a slow burn and doesn’t share too much but she wanted to share some of the big points. She talked about how important nursing is to her. It’s a tough job, especially because she works in the ICU. “I am deserving of what you have to offer,” Rachel said. Yes! It’s sad that she ever felt like she wasn’t! Joey was so happy that she felt that way with him and that he reminds her of her dad. He offered her the date rose! “With us, I can just be and this rose is to let you know I’m all in on the slow burn,” Joey said. “I’m excited about the potential future.” Cute! Once she had the rose comfortably in hand, she walked with Joey to the beach where they watched a fireworks display just for them!

    Gina: ICU nurses deserve the world, period, end of story. Rachel, you are awesome and I love your spirit. If I’m being honest, I was questioning their connection. I wasn’t sure it was there! I’m glad to be wrong about it and that they had this moment tonight.

    Cocktail Party

    The next day, Joey and Jesse played some tennis and got a good workout in. But, it’s already time for another rose ceremony. Joey looked very handsome as he arrived for the cocktail party. Daisy asked him how he was doing and he said that he means the best through the situation and wants to be sensitive through all of the emotions. He told her that he hoped she’s doing OK, and she said that there was no place else she’d rather be. “Daisy is 100% someone I could fall in love with.”

    Gina: Thank you, Joey, for clearing that up. We weren’t sure how you were feeling. KIDDING! We can all see there are true feelings there. Even in the moments we don’t hear them talking, when Daisy and Joey are near each other, they both light up.

    Jess is worried that her connection with Joey is more in her head. She’s trying to not compare herself to others but the nerves are creeping in. Maria stole him away from Katelyn and Jess did not like that. Maria already has a rose so Jess felt she had no business cutting in. Katelyn added that she’d probably want more time too and she was nice about it. Maria is brewing up another enemy it seems!

    I was wondering why Jess was holding back on getting up and it’s because she felt because she got extra time on the group date with him, she should let the other girls go first. Well, all’s fair in love and war, Jess. Maria came back from talking with Joey and Jess said it was disrespectful. She then accused Maria of shutting her down. Maria said she’s already in a situation with Lea and she wants Jess to stay out of it. Then Jess started calling her a B****. Yikes. Of course, Lea was there to comfort her. Jess never got time! Maybe she should have gotten up to talk to him… just sayin…

    Gina: This is exactly what I was yelling at my TV screen. If you’re so worried about not getting time, get up and go to him!! Jess is just mad that Maria did what she should have. Also, I’d like to note that Jess is 24 and Lea is 23. The immaturity in their little vent session was extremely obvious.

    Rose Ceremony

    1) Kelsey A. (1-on-1 date)

    2) Maria (group date)

    3) Rachel (1-on-1 date)

    4) Jenn

    5) Kelsey T.

    6) Daisy

    7) Lea

    8) Lexi

    9) Katelyn

    10) Jess

    Oh my goodness, that means we have two girls in the house now who hate Maria. I’m actually a bit nervous for her. Autumn and Madina were sent home.

    Gina: It’s gonna get worse before it gets better in the drama department. Also, Autumn, Madina, we’ll see you on Bachelor In Paradise, won’t we? There are some good Bachelor Nation guys out there. I think you’ll do well.

    Coming Up

    Next week, Joey and the women traveled west to Montreal. It seems that the women’s insecurities are going to start raring up and the women are having a hard time seeing each other go on dates with him. It shows a preview of the final weeks and Joey said his worst nightmare is coming true. We see a rose and Joey crying at the podium. “I can’t think that’s happened before,” Joey said. What could it be? Does he propose and someone rejects him? This is really upping the tension and we aren’t even at hometowns yet!

    Don’t miss new episodes of Joey’s season of “The Bachelor” on Monday nights on ABC and streaming the next day on Hulu.

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  • Southern Hospitality's Salley Carson, Joe Bradley Talk Shady Kiss

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    After competing on The Bachelor, Salley Carson has found a new reality TV home on Southern Hospitality — and she’s not afraid to make waves.

    Salley, 28, joined the Bravo series for season 2 last month and quickly hit it off with coworker Joe Bradley. However, during the January 11 episode, she crossed a line by kissing TJ Dinch’s roommate, Gaston, before going on a date with Joe — and then lying about it.

    “You went to [Gaston’s house] and made out with him right before our date. That’s like a f–king serial killer move,” Joe, 27, yelled at Salley while standing outside their workplace, Republic Garden & Lounge. “That’s just weird. It makes me sick.”

    At the time, Salley denied that it happened and claimed that Joe could call Gaston and he’d back her up. During the Thursday, January 18, episode, Joe once again confronted Salley over the awkward moment.

    “I’m alright. I just want to know the truth,” Joe told Salley, to which she replied, “That’s why we’re here. I just want to tell you everything.”

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    Joe then apologized for previously talking about the drama at work. “You came out so aggressively,” Salley claimed. Joe confessed, “My emotions got the best of me. I’m sorry if I made you feel uncomfortable. I was just really upset.”

    Salley admitted, “It was wrong of me to kiss him. I apologize for lying.” However, Joe couldn’t wrap his head around why Salley would kiss another guy and then come to his place.

    “It was wrong, but it was a kiss,” she replied, noting, “We’ve known each other for three weeks.” The twosome concluded that they would be “mature” and just be work friends. “I’m not only kind of heartbroken and demoralized, but I feel like an idiot. It’s not smart to date coworkers,” Joe told the cameras.

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    The Southern Hospitality cast previously teased that Gaston, who has been dating Southern Charm’s Taylor Ann Green since summer 2023, is known for being a lady’s man.

    “Taylor has a type, and she loves the men that have been around,” Bradley Carter exclusively told Us Weekly in November 2023. “I’m not going to say a walking red flag,” he claimed, insisting that Gaston is a “good guy.”

    Joe, meanwhile, hinted at his and Gaston’s conflict over Salley, telling Us in November 2023, “I like the guy, but [the past drama] it is more over a girl, and I’m not the kind of guy that’s going to fight a guy over [a] girl.” He added, “Charleston gets messy. There’s a reason why there’s two shows in a tiny town.”

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    Joe has since moved on with Summer House’s Danielle Olivera after connecting at BravoCon in November 2023.

    Salley, for her part, made her reality TV debut during season 26 of The Bachelor in January 2022. She raised eyebrows during the premiere when she revealed that was supposed to get married that weekend but called it off due to “lack of trust.” Before the limo arrivals, Salley met Bachelor Clayton Echard at his hotel and although he offered her a rose right then, she decided to leave.

    Salley then appeared on Bachelor in Paradise in summer 2022. She exited the series early during week two, which aired that October.

    Southern Hospitality airs on Bravo Thursdays at 9 p.m. ET.

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  • ‘Fargo’ Season 5 Finale Recap With Noah Hawley

    ‘Fargo’ Season 5 Finale Recap With Noah Hawley

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    Jo and Rob break down the Fargo Season 5 finale. They discuss their personal feelings on the final episode, how the characters of Indira Olmstead and Witt Farr fall flat in the end, and the conclusion to Gator’s redemption arc. Along the way, they briefly talk about the intense prison scene between Lorraine and Roy. Later, they’re joined by the creator and showrunner of Fargo, Noah Hawley, to talk about how this season grapples with the symptoms of a divided America, the final confrontation between Dot and Ole Munch, how he goes about creating likable family characters, Witt Farr’s demise, and much more.

    Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney
    Guest: Noah Hawley
    Producer: Kai Grady

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  • Sister Wives’ Gabriel Says 'Brown Family Was Back’ at Christine Wedding

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    The Brown family has been strained for years, but Gabriel Brown called Christine Brown and David Woolley’s wedding the “wholesome” reunion they needed.

    “For the first time in a long time, it felt like the real Brown family was back,” Gabriel, 22, told the cameras during a Sunday, January 14, episode of Sister Wives: Christine and David’s Wedding special. “It felt really wholesome.”

    Janelle and Kody Brown’s son reflected on his sister mom’s sweet union after attending Christine’s nuptials in October 2023 along with his five siblings, Logan, Maddie, Hunter, Garrison and Savanah. In addition, five of Christine, 51, and Kody’s six kids were in attendance: Aspyn, Mykelti, Paedon, Ysabel and Truely.

    “It made me feel very complete that everyone was there. And we had our family back together,” Gabriel continued. “Everyone was so happy to be around family again and that’s something we haven’t had in a long time.”

    Gabriel noted that he’s “never seen” Christine “this happy.” He claimed his comment was “no slight to my dad,” who split from Christine in 2021 after more than 25 years of a spiritual marriage. (Gabriel and his brother Garrison, 25, have been at odds with their father since he claimed they didn’t respect him or his COVID-19 rules in 2020.)

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    “I think they really tried. They gave it a hard go and that they really did love each other. But I think that sometimes that’s just how things go,” Gabriel said during a confessional. “I’m reassured that this is right for Christine when I see how happy David makes her.”

    Gabriel’s mom, Janelle, 54, also noticed how David’s addition to Christine’s life has bettered all their family connections. “It just feels right that David and Christine are getting married. It just feels good. It feels like we’re whole,” Janelle told the cameras after the ceremony. “It feels like the family still has an identity. [David] would be so open to have any of the other children join us.”

    After Janelle split from Kody, 54, in 2022, she and Christine have continued to grow closer. When Christine married David, she made sure he knew that Janelle was part of the package as her former sister wife.

    Although Meri Brown, who announced her split from Kody in January 2023, wasn’t on the guest list, she wished Christine and David well on their next chapter. Kody and his fourth wife, Robyn Brown, were also absent from the Utah ceremony.

    Christine’s marriage marked a new chapter for the Brown family — and many of the children revealed during the wedding special that they are no longer fans of polygamy.

    “With mom getting remarried I guess I think about polygamy differently,” Christine’s eldest child, Aspyn, 28, said on Sunday. “It was good for a while but then she needed something different.”

    Ysabel, 20, told the cameras she “would never want to live polygamy” but said she was “really thankful” for her upbringing.

    “I honestly think that polygamy is a terrible idea,” Mykelti, 27, added. “I don’t think it was fair to my parents. I know what I deserve, and I know what my moms and my dad also deserve. I don’t think polygamy is what anybody deserves.”

    Gabriel agreed that the lifestyle isn’t for everyone, saying, “I think that polygamy is a beautiful for those who desire it. Who believe in it and want everything that comes with it.” His younger sister, Savanah, 19, chimed in, saying, “Personally, I don’t think that I would ever be able to make it work.”

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  • ‘The Curse’ Season 1 Finale Recap

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    Sean and Jo return to break down the Season 1 finale of The Curse. They discuss the extremely bold conclusion, whether or not the final episode has a deeper meaning beneath it, and the subsequent provocation of critics and viewers alike. Along the way, they debate whether Asher was actually cursed and his final attempt to win over Whitney’s approval. Later, they talk through similarities (and differences) between the Showtime series and Twin Peaks.

    Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Joanna Robinson
    Producer: Kai Grady

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  • ‘Fargo’ Season 5, Episode 9 Recap

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    Jo and Rob are back to break down the ninth episode of Fargo Season 5 and talk about what they’re hoping to see in the season finale. They head to Coen Corner to parse the Coen references in this episode, and go through listener emails regarding the truth of the phrase “fruit of the poisonous tree,” Russian election scams, Oregonian anarchists, and more.

    Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney
    Producers: Sasha Ashall and Kai Grady

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  • The Golden Wedding Recap

    The Golden Wedding Recap

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    Juliet and Callie return in the New Year with a Golden Wedding to discuss! The two recap and share their reactions to the production that was Gerry and Theresa’s wedding, starting with their first impressions (3:33), Mindy Weiss’s incredible work as the wedding planner (5:16), the red carpet and viral moments from the wedding (8:25), the Amazon sponsorship (14:04), who from Bachelor Nation was there (21:28), Brayden’s proposal (23:13), the ceremony (28:48), and much, much more!

    Hosts: Juliet Litman and Callie Curry
    Producer: Jade Whaley
    Theme Song: Devon Renaldo

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  • ‘Fargo’ Season 5, Episode 8 Recap

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    Jo and Rob are back to break down the eighth episode of Fargo Season 5. They open by reading through a handful of listener emails on how this season is depicting the Midwest and its culture. Next, they discuss the rise and fall of Danish Graves, the likelihood of an effective Gator redemption arc, and Roy Tillman’s viciousness. Along the way, they revisit this season’s themes of debt and the characters’ constructed realities.

    Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney
    Producer: Kai Grady

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  • 'Sister Wives’ Recap: Janelle Reveals Which Son Still Speaks to Kody

    'Sister Wives’ Recap: Janelle Reveals Which Son Still Speaks to Kody

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    Janelle Brown revealed one of her sons is “somewhat” speaking with father Kody Brown, one year after their family feud aired on Sister Wives.

    “The conversation still hasn’t happened,” Janelle, 54, said on the Sunday, December 31, episode of Sister Wives Look Back: How It’s Going special, referring to her sons Garrison and Gabriel’s reconnecting with Kody, 54. “There’s still nothing.”

    She clarified that Kody “does have somewhat of a relationship with Garrison right now.” She explained: “A little bit. But there’s no reconciliation, really.” Janelle and Kody share Garrison, 25, and Gabriel, 21, as well as Logan, 29, Maddie, 27, Hunter, 26, and Savanah, 18.

    Janelle’s remarks were in response to rewatching her season 18 fight with Kody, in which the former couple accused each other of “gaslighting.” During the argument, which took place ahead of their December 2022 split, Janelle revealed that she wasn’t going to do Christmas with Kody because of his issues with their boys.

    Viewers first learned about Kody’s tension with Garrison and Gabriel during season 17 of the TLC series. The rift started after Kody claimed his sons didn’t respect him or his COVID-19 rules. Kody then insisted that the boys give him an apology before they could come to family events, which he later walked back.


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    During season 18, which aired this past fall, the tension between Kody and Garrison and Gabriel led to a blowout with Janelle and they split soon after.

    “I don’t want to talk about my breakup with Janelle anymore. It’s very painful,” Kody told the cameras on Sunday’s episode, when prompted to rewatch the 2022 scene. “Janelle and I are not good together. She’s not a loyal wife. I’m probably a s–ty husband. I don’t care. We’re not working anymore.”

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    When Janelle watched it back, she called her former spouse “an ass.” Janelle explained on the TV special that in Kody’s “perfect world” she would have “stood with him against my kids.”

    Janelle noted that when she didn’t do that, Kody lost “his crap” and made it seem like “it’s all my fault.” Now, Janelle said she’s done trying to fix things with her ex-husband. “I don’t care if I ever interact with Kody again,” she said in Sunday’s episode.

    Ahead of his and Janelle’s separation in late 2022, Kody split from Christine Brown in November 2021. Meri Brown confirmed in January that she and Kody had also parted ways. Kody remains married to fourth wife Robyn Brown.

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  • Sister Wives' Janelle Brown Calls Kody, Robyn’s Marriage ‘Superficial’

    Sister Wives' Janelle Brown Calls Kody, Robyn’s Marriage ‘Superficial’

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    Janelle Brown questioned Kody Brown and Robyn Brown’s “covenant” — and their marriage — while rewatching the season 18 Sister Wives finale.

    “That’s a really weird thing to promise when you go into a relationship,” Janelle, 54, said during the Friday, December 29, Sister Wives Talk Back episode after learning about Kody, 54, and Robyn’s marriage promise. “That’s really weird.”

    Janelle was referring to Kody’s proclamation in the November finale in which he reminded Robyn, 45, of the “agreement [she] required of [him] to get married.” During the finale, Kody claimed, “Our sacred covenant was if I’m ever not in love with you I won’t just sit there and be in a pathetic place with you.”

    Janelle was taken aback by Kody’s statements, sharing on Friday’s episode, “I don’t think he’s telling the whole thing. Maybe he is. Maybe their relationship is that superficial because, I’m sorry, you fall in and out of love many times in a relationship.”

    Meri Brown, who was present during the initial Kody and Robyn conversation, watched the clip back with her longtime BFF Jenn, who was also shocked by Kody’s comments.

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    “I feel like something else had to have happened,” Jenn told Meri, 52. “Was he already complaining to her pre-marriage about his relationship with, like, you or Janelle or Christine [Brown]? And Robyn’s like, ‘Well, if this happens with us, promise me …”

    Meri responded, “Oh, my gosh, are you serious? I’ve never [thought of that].”

    Elsewhere in the episode, Janelle called out Kody for telling Meri during the season 18 finale that “the act” of being married to her was “easy” before their split. Meri confirmed her breakup from Kody in January after Janelle announced in December 2022 that she was separated from the patriarch. Christine, 51, previously divorced Kody in 2021. Robyn is still married to Kody.

    “I was there. He was involved in the relationships. He wasn’t just doing duty. He was engaged with the family,” Janelle claimed in Sunday’s episode, revealing she was annoyed by Kody’s remarks. “But now because he’s found a different kind of love with Robyn, he’s like, ‘Well that was just pretend before. I was just faking it. I was just doing my duty.’ It’s bulls–t.”

    Christine noted that Kody “needs to stop talking” as she watched the uncomfortable scene between Meri and Kody unfold. After Kody called his relationship with Meri a “performance,” Janelle once again sounded off on her exes’ claims.

    “I wonder if he realizes there were some of us who were doing the same thing. He’s not the only one who had to sort of honor his commitments,” Janelle quipped during a confessional interview. “I’m sorry, buddy, that’s what happens in a marriage. When your relationships are bad that’s sort of how everybody feels.”

    Sister Wives airs on TLC Sundays at 10 p.m. ET.

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  • Sister Wives' Kody Brown Is ‘Glad’ He, Meri ‘Didn't Have More' Kids

    Sister Wives' Kody Brown Is ‘Glad’ He, Meri ‘Didn't Have More' Kids

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    Exes Kody Brown and Meri Brown reflected on their fertility issues — and pregnancy struggle — while looking back at past Sister Wives episodes.

    “Retrospectively, I’m really glad we didn’t have more children,” Kody, 54, revealed on the Sunday, December 24, episode of the Sister Wives Special: Look Back, Where We Started. “It wouldn’t have been good for the child because Meri and I weren’t healthy then.”

    During Sunday’s episode, Kody and Meri, 52, watched clips from 2012 in which they were optimistic about doing invitro fertilization (IVF) in hopes of expanding their family. The pair previously welcomed their only child, Leon, in July 1995.

    “It just freaks me out to go through that again. I want to have another baby. I would love that,” Meri said in the throwback episode. Kody was also on board with the idea at the time, saying, “When we’re dying when we’re 110, we’ll look back and we’ll be glad we did the IVF.”

    The former couple, who announced their split in January after more than 30 years together, then watched a clip from 2013. Within that year, they had changed their tune about having more kids — or at least Kody had.

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    When Meri asked, “Do you want to have another baby with me or do you not?” Kody confessed, “I would do it if it just happened.” He noted that “because of the stakes, I’m not burning in my gut to do it.” At this point, the pair had suffered a miscarriage in the mid-2000s after trying for more than a decade.

    “During that time, it was more realization that our marriage is not really healthy,” Kody explained while looking back at the two moments.

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    Meri had a similar recollection of that period, telling the cameras, “Kody and I were in a slightly tumultuous time.” Despite their ups and downs romantically, Meri shared, “I really wanted to have more than just one,” noting that it took her and Kody five years to have Leon.

    Over the years, Meri has spoken out about her fertility issues. In May, she shared an emotional message about her past miscarriage, which happened before she and Kody talked about another round of IVF in the aforementioned clips.

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    It has been a difficult road to parenthood for many celebrity parents, including Chrissy Teigen and John Legend. After in vitro fertilization didn’t work on the first try, Teigen wondered if she had done something wrong. “You just look for anything to blame, especially yourself,” Teigen explained to New York Magazine’s The Cut in April […]

    “Today was a travel day for me, and as I was driving through this town tonight, I saw a group of three teenage-looking boys, maybe 15 or 16 years old, walking down the street, hands in pockets, chit chatting away, and I just had to smile and almost sort of giggle to myself,” Meri wrote via Instagram at the time. “It was a fun, and even bittersweet, moment for me, realizing that had my baby survived, he might be engaging in that same sort of teenaged banter, and having those same sort of memorable teenaged moments.”

    While Meri wasn’t sure whether she was expecting a son before the miscarriage, she said her “gut” told her it was a boy. “He’d be 15 now, and I often wonder what life would be like with him here,” she continued. “There’s often a lot of sorrow and pain surrounding that loss, but having that moment of joy today, seeing those boys happy and alive, was healing in a way for me.”

    Part 2 of the Sister Wives Special: Look Back, Where We Started airs on TLC Sunday, December 31, at 10 p.m. ET.

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