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  • With Bugonia, Yorgos Lanthimos Enters the Real World, Sort Of

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    Yorgos Lanthimos’s Bugonia began life as a remake of the 2003 South Korean film Save the Green Planet!, and it retains the broad outlines of that strange classic. But it also feels like Lanthimos through and through, albeit with the strangest of twists: It’s the first picture of his populated by characters who feel like they exist in the real world, people you could run into if you walked out the door. The power of Lanthimos’s work has always come from his ability to provide surreal but dead-on metaphors that take on lives of their own: a futuristic resort where one must debase oneself to find a mate, in The Lobster; or a family where the parents have trained their kids to accept absurdities as reality, in Dogtooth. With Bugonia, it feels like he’s entered our world at last, at least for a while. Which also makes it maybe the saddest film he’s ever made.

    Bugonia, which premieres at the Venice Film Festival and will release in theaters in October, is basically a two-hander, albeit with three central characters. Teddy (Jesse Plemons) and his neurodivergent cousin Donald (played by newcomer Aiden Delbis) live in a ramshackle house in the woods where they keep bees and are methodically preparing for a shocking act: They will kidnap high-powered, slick-suited pharmaceutical-company executive Michelle (Emma Stone) and hold her hostage until she confesses that she’s an alien who has been sent to experiment on humans. “Welcome to the headquarters of the human resistance,” they declare after shaving her head and taking off her blindfold. Teddy wants Michelle to contact her mothership and take them to her queen, with whom he intends to negotiate for the aliens’ withdrawal from Earth.

    Teddy has done his research. He’s studied all the YouTube videos and photos and he’s gathered all the necessary information, and he knows exactly what these aliens are and what their ships look like; the good-natured though not entirely convinced Donald goes along with him out of loyalty and love, and also because Teddy seems like the one person who treats him as an equal. Michelle, meanwhile, is at a loss to how to react: She’s a tough, wealthy power player, the kind of person who does martial arts in the morning and doesn’t take any shit from anyone. And she has no idea how she’s going to convince these kooks to let her go.

    Lanthimos has guided multiple actors, including these, to some of the best performances of their careers (Stone won an Oscar for 2023’s Poor Things, and Plemons won the Best Actor award at Cannes for Kinds of Kindness last year), so it seems weird to say that Bugonia is also his first film to feel like a true showcase for his stars. But it is: The movie unfolds as a series of confrontations between Teddy and Michelle, her increasingly insistent desperation crashing against the rocks of his languorous immovability. Stone is remarkable (when is she not?), emotionally wriggling like a bug pinned to a wall, trying different tactics with this psycho. First, she’s calm and controlled and confident; then, she tries kindness and pliancy. Plemons’s laid-back confidence is bone-chilling initially. But he also has to fuel our ire, earn our pathos, and maybe even provoke some twinges of solidarity. The characters in Lanthimos’s films don’t really go on traditional emotional journeys. We, the audience, do.

    The director’s work has always turned on humiliation and power trips. (Think of The Favourite and how beyond all its ornate rituals and ironclad hierarchies, the line between power and disgrace remained so tenuous.) Bugonia is no different. If what Teddy is saying is true, Michelle would be a more powerful being than he could ever dream of. And yet, he needs it to be true. He needs to explain his own powerlessness, even as he seemingly holds her life in his hands. If she is, in fact, an emissary from an alien race, then the degradations of his life will finally make sense. “We are not steering the ship, Don,” he tells his cousin. “They are.” It’s hard not to sense the slightest bit of hope amid all that outrage.

    Gradually, we learn what lies at the root of all this. Surreal flashbacks show us how Teddy’s ill mom (Alicia Silverstone) suffered at the hands of Michelle’s company, how the empty corporate platitudes offered in exchange for his family’s horror merely confirmed his belief that there was more to what was being said and what had been done. Bugonia’s narrative trajectory is, on one level, a predictable but resonant one, as we slowly learn to accept Teddy’s irrational actions as a response to a fundamentally irrational world. But we also see that the only thing that will lead to resolution and a way out of this mess is, well, more humiliation.

    So, that describes most of the movie. Bugonia heads in, let’s say, a different direction as it reaches its conclusion. (If you’ve seen Save the Green Planet!, you’ll know where it’s going.) While these developments aren’t exactly new or shocking — some viewers will probably find them predictable — they actually bring the world of this film further into Lanthimos-land. His style is Olympian on the surface, the ironic detachment of his pictures casting a cold, curious eye at humanity’s follies and derangements. But this coolness is a ruse, and he always lets the sadness peek through, making it clear that he is, after all, one of us. By the time Bugonia is over, with a series of beautiful and haunting images that seem to come out of nowhere, we understand that beneath its bemused dispassion lies a deep longing for connection. Early in the film, Teddy looks at his dying bees and sees similarities with humanity: “A dead colony atomized in a trillion directions with no way home again.” By the end, it’s clear the director has seen the same thing.

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  • Every Scripted Show Nominated for a 2025 Series Emmy, Ranked

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    At their best and most pure, the Emmys ought to be a recommendation engine, where the TV industry presents its picks for the best of the best and encourages the home audience to go back and watch anything good they might’ve missed while they were busy with Love Island earlier this year. The TV Academy nominated 21 total shows across Outstanding Comedy Series, Outstanding Drama Series, and Outstanding Limited Series or Anthology. I don’t think they nominated any outright bad shows, but some are certainly more worthy of their nominations than others. And since the way I show love and appreciation is by making lists, I’ve decided to rank all 21, from worst to best. These rankings are based on the season they were nominated for only. And I have done my best to bridge the apples-to-oranges nature of comparing dramas, comedies, and limited series. Be thankful I didn’t decide to include the talk and reality shows or you’d be in for some real chaos.

    Photo: Nick Wall/Netflix

    Platform: Netflix
    2025 Emmy nominations: 10

    Returning for the first time since 2023, Black Mirror delivered what you’d expect: a series of parables and dark prophecies about our technological future. I can’t say for sure how much of my low ranking here is attributable to the fact that the terrifying technological present has made the show less novel or, whether after seven seasons, these stories have simply become less impactful and more predictable.

    Photo: Patrick Harbron/Disney

    Platform: Hulu
    2025 Emmy nominations: 7

    I was riding so high on Only Murders in the Building after its musical-themed third season; it was the perfect example of a show taking a big swing to ward off stagnation. I respected the swing the show took in season four, decamping to Los Angeles to deal with a film adaptation of the titular podcast. Unfortunately, rather than stay in L.A., the show became bicoastal, keeping one foot in the Arconia with a new cadre of eccentrics (and yes, Richard Kind in an eye patch was a highlight). But the resulting season had to juggle far too many elements, and only a few of them worked: Molly Shannon as a harried Hollywood producer — yes. Eugene Levy, Zach Galifianakis, and Eva Longoria as the actors playing Charles, Oliver, and Mabel — no. The longer the season went on, the more tiresome it became, culminating in a massive “who cares” of a killer reveal. If history is any indicator, the odd-numbered seasons of Only Murders are the good ones, so there’s reason to be optimistic for the fifth. But this one was a real dud.

    Photo: Liane Hentscher/HBO

    Platform: HBO
    2025 Emmy nominations: 16

    It’s not that I think The Last of Us took some great dip in quality in its second season. The actors were across-the-board great, including some excellent new additions in Kaitlyn Dever, Catherine O’Hara, and Jeffrey Wright. But once the Big Thing happens in the second episode, the season becomes narratively unbalanced and too unsatisfying. That the show brings Joel back for a flashback episode feels like an admission that Ellie on her own doesn’t have enough story to fill up a full season while we wait for the confrontation with Abby that comes much further down the line. Once the entire series is complete, there’s every chance season two will age better in closer proximity to what comes next. We’re not there yet.

    Photo: Miles Crist/Netlfix

    Platform: Netflix
    2025 Emmy nominations: 11

    This got tagged as trash by many, and unsurprisingly so, as the Monster(s) series sits at the nexus point of two trends that are morally unfashionable at the moment: true crime and Ryan Murphy. There is certainly a layer of ick that pervades this often gleeful depiction of the 1989 murder of Jose and Kitty Menendez by their sons, Lyle and Erik, and the media circus that followed. But while Murphy and co-creator Ian Brennan take liberties with the Menendez case, their decision to tell the story from multiple and often contradictory angles is a satisfying one. Cooper Koch was rightly praised (and Emmy nominated) for his frighteningly malleable turn as Erik Menendez, but I thought it was too bad that Nicholas Alexander Chavez (as coked-up alpha brother Lyle) and Ari Graynor (as attorney Leslie Abramson) were passed over.

    Photo: Saeed Adyani/Netflix

    Platform: Netflix
    2025 Emmy nominations: 3

    The title of this rom-com turned out to be a dare that a bunch of viewers — and certainly a critical mass of Emmy voters — took Netflix up on. Nobody Wants This nails the fundamentals: two strong leads in Adam Brody and Kristen Bell and at least a few supporting characters who pop. The premise — handsome young rabbi meets shiksa with a sex podcast — got the show in hot water over whether its POV denigrated Jewish women (creator Erin Foster converted to Judaism to marry her husband, leading to a lot of raised eyebrows about the show’s autobiographical nature), but what the show needs more than refuge from the takes is simply to be funnier. It’s not unfunny. It just should be more funny. Brody and Bell have the “rom” part nailed; they could use some help on the script level when it comes to the “com.”

    Photo: Brian Roedel/Disney

    Platform: Hulu
    2025 Emmy nominations: 4

    Full disclosure: At the outset, I thought Paradise looked so dumb. There have been so many postapocalyptic shows (Silo, Fallout, Snowpiercer) in which humanity has to exist in some kind of metaphorical bubble (or a literal bubble, if you’re Under the Dome). The concept of an artificial Perfect American Town built deep inside a mountain to protect selected citizens from a vaguely articulated disaster event was one thing, but to add a murder-mystery element to that, and the murder victim is the president? A hat on a hat on a hat on a hat! Somehow, though, Paradise turns out to be compelling popcorn TV, punctuated by its two Emmy-nominated performances: Sterling K. Brown is all leading-man intensity as the Secret Service agent determined to get to the truth, while Julianne Nicholson’s Machiavellian deep-state operator manages to be delicious in her villainy as she also maintains a shred of her former “good” self.

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    Platform: HBO Max
    2025 Emmy nominations: 14

    Oh, Hacks. I want to defend you against your harshest critics, even if I often agree with them. It doesn’t bother me that what we see of Deborah Vance’s comedy doesn’t scan as comedy-legend caliber, or that her conflicts with Ava are predicated on tired generation-gap premises. At its best, Hacks is a workplace comedy in which the workplace is the entire comedy-industrial complex, and I like watching Jean Smart and Hannah Einbinder maneuver within those environs. My frustration comes from how shockingly repetitive the show is formally. Just an endless loop of Deborah and Ava working well together, breaking up because of a betrayal, warily reuniting because of necessity, discovering that they work best together, then breaking up because of another betrayal and starting the cycle all over again. After four seasons of this, it’s hard to just enjoy Deborah and Ava for who they are, and I’m forced to dwell on things like how Megan Stalter’s unbearable Kayla is somehow the fourth lead on this show.

    Photo: Gilles Mingasson/Disney

    Platform: ABC
    2025 Emmy nominations: 6

    Four seasons in, Abbott Elementary is doing exactly what a good network sitcom should: settling into place as a reliable but decreasingly remarkable part of a regular TV diet. And yet: To be able to pull out an episode as creative as that It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia crossover is proof that Abbott is still more than worthy of its continued place of Emmy prominence.

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    Platform: FX
    2025 Emmy nominations: 13

    It’s thematically appropriate that The Bear has become the hot stove of the TV-awards conversation: Touch it and you’ll get burned. Season three — the one that aired last summer — was where the deeply predictable backlash kicked in. It was a comedy that not only wasn’t funny but wasn’t even attempting to be a comedy. There were some real highlights, and I want to give creator Christopher Storer and his team extra credit for their ambition. But lots of characters spent the season spinning their wheels, and even good individual episodes like the Tina flashback (featuring Ayo Edebiri’s Emmy-nominated direction) seemed too obviously a tactic to pad out the season.

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    Platform: FX
    2025 Emmy nominations: 6

    In its final run, What We Do in the Shadows proved it could still deliver some of TV’s biggest laughs. Placing Guillermo and Nadja in a corporate setting yielded multiple strong episodes (a tip of the cap to Tim Heidecker as their jackass boss), as did Laszlo’s attempt to play Dr. Frankenstein. The series finale — nominated for a writing Emmy — was a creative way to play the “we all know there’s no ending that will satisfy everyone” card by “hypnotizing” the audience into accepting one of a myriad of final acts. It will remain an enduring shame that this show garnered only one acting nomination (for Matt Berry last year).

    Photo: Alex Bailey/Netflix

    Platform: Netflix
    2025 Emmy nominations: 2

    The Diplomat is not a sophisticated political thriller, though it does its best to fake it. Keri Russell’s performance as the new U.S. ambassador to the U.K. — or is she on the fast track to vice-president? — sits right in her sweet spot of capable-yet-irritable operator, and her scenes opposite David Gyasi (as her U.K. counterpart and possible love interest), Celia Imrie (as a master manipulator), and especially Allison Janney (as a hurricane in female form) crackle with an urgent chemistry.

    Photo: Fabio Lovino/HBO

    Platform: HBO
    2025 Emmy nominations: 23

    After pulling off the high-wire acts of class-conscious character satire and murder mystery in seasons one and two, it was inevitable that Mike White’s show would sooner or later lose its footing, so credit to season three for terminating the suspense. The White Lotus had its moments, of course — Parker Posey’s maintained mood of distress and dismay, all packaged in that ridiculous Durham accent; that Carrie Coon monologue that exists better in isolation than in context — but the seams struggled to hold it all together as satisfyingly as the previous seasons had. The finale-episode shoot-out felt like an act of throwing up one’s hands and admitting defeat at the hands of a runaway plot.

    Photo: Apple TV+

    Platform: Apple TV+
    2025 Emmy nominations: 7

    Shrinking has maintained the psychology practice of Harrison Ford’s Dr. Paul Rhoades as its nominal central base, but increasingly (and to the show’s benefit) it has become TV’s best hangout comedy. This alignment has allowed the supporting cast to shine, with Michael Urie and Jessica Williams joining Jason Segel and Ford as acting nominees, and key players like Christa Miller, Ted McGinley, and Wendie Malick orbiting freely. It hasn’t all worked (adding co-creator Brett Goldstein to the ensemble as the sad-sack drunk driver responsible for Jimmy’s wife’s death was a mistake I hope the show is able to back out of in season three), but as Cougar Town was at its best, Shrinking is a multigenerational story about gathering your network of emotional support and then hanging out with them every minute of the day.

    Photo: Macall Polay / HBO

    Platform: HBO Max
    2025 Emmy nominations: 24

    My extreme disinterest in a spinoff series about a character from The Batman that I found to be a superfluous waste of Colin Farrell’s valuable time was only matched by my surprise at how much The Penguin gripped me. Kudos to showrunner Lauren LeFranc for navigating the waters of franchise IP, taking the handoff from Matt Reeves’s film and telling a completely independent story. A story, it should be noted, that for significant stretches isn’t even the titular Penguin’s story. As good as Farrell is at operating under all those prosthetics, Cristin Milioti walks away with the season as a spurned mobster’s daughter, and LeFranc doesn’t wrest the narrative away from her unless she absolutely has to. Mob stories are a dime a dozen these days, and superhero yarns are probably worth even less, but The Penguin told a dark, twisty, operatic tale of at least two sociopaths, and it was riveting.

    Photo: Apple

    Platform: Apple TV+
    2025 Emmy nominations: 5

    Slow Horses is the most digestible show on television, and I could not mean that more complimentarily. In its fourth season, the format remains in lockstep with the three that preceded it: The discarded MI5 agents at Slough House, led by the somehow-ever-more-slovenly Jackson Lamb (Gary Oldman) are embroiled in a new unfurling terrorist threat, and one of their own (Jack Lowden’s River Cartwright) is on the run. While the individuals within Slough House — and the handful of higher-ups at the Park, like Kristin Scott Thomas’s coolly capable Diana Taverner — develop their characters over the course of the series, the discrete plots told over a tight six episodes are TV’s best approximation of reading a really satisfying spy novel. This season had several gnarly shoot-outs, the addition of new characters played by Hugo Weaving (as an American!) and Battlestar Galactica’s James Callis (as a sniveling little weasel, if you can believe it), plus, yes, new scenes of Lamb farting to punctuate a scene. Bring on season five!

    Photo: Ben Blackall/Netflix

    Platform: Netflix
    2025 Emmy nominations: 13

    Over the course of four episodes, creators Stephen Graham and Jack Thorne deliver a gripping, challenging miniseries. A 13-year-old boy is accused of stabbing a female classmate to death, and over the course of four episodes, the tale becomes thornier and more troublesome, as the culprit is revealed not only to be the child but the pervasive toxic misogyny that seduces boys before their parents even know it’s a threat. The bravado of Adolescence’s visual gimmick, where each episode is presented as a single take, is often more showy than it is effective, but when it does click into place, as it does in the show’s counseling session, it’s really thrilling.

    Photo: Apple TV+

    Platform: Apple TV+
    2025 Emmy nominations: 27

    Taking a 33-month break between the finale of season one and the premiere of season two might have proved fatal for another series, but Severance was able to establish new stakes for its central quartet and then plunge them into far more complicated waters. The love pentagon that developed between Innie Mark S., Helly, Helena Egan, Outie Mark S., and Gemma was so twisty and complex it seemed to discourage social media’s favorite pastime, unhinged shipping. Meanwhile, Tramell Tillman’s Mr. Milchick went on his own journey of self-discovery. As any good second season does, Severance plumbed deeper, explored further, traveled to chilly seaside towns and back in time to reveal the fate of its presumed-dead wife. Not all of it satisfied, but the central conundrum of Innies versus Outies trapped inside a corporate cult remained as compelling as ever.

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    Platform: Apple TV+
    2025 Emmy nominations: 23

    The movie business is facing a treacherous and possibly bleak future, and while The Studio is acutely aware of that, its response is to pull back the curtain and reveal utter lunacy. One thing I loved about its first season was that it never leaned on one aspect of Hollywood for too long. Yes, there’s debauchery, sure the studio-tentpole-development process is stupider than you ever imagined, and it turns out Ron Howard is a mean little bastard. But the show lightly bounces between these observations, with only Seth Rogen’s inept but earnest studio head as the constant. Does The Studio eviscerate Hollywood enough for everyone’s tastes? No. Is it a surprise Hollywood is embracing it? Of course not. But it’s the flat-out funniest of the nominated comedies this year, and I support it breaking through the Emmy walls like the Kool-Aid Man (in theaters next summer).

    Photo: Sarah Shatz/FX

    Platform: FX
    2025 Emmy nominations: 9

    There’s no way a show about a woman (Michelle Williams) dealing with her terminal-cancer diagnosis could be anything but maudlin. Even knowing that Williams’s character responds to her diagnosis by embarking on a sexual awakening, it still seems like the show is destined for maudlin. And yet Dying for Sex never is, even till the very end, even as the tears are running down your face. Williams and the Emmy-nominated-yet-still-underrated Jenny Slate are the main attraction here, but key supporting turns by Esco Jouléy, Sissy Spacek, Rob Delaney, Jay Duplass, and the deeply slept-on David Rasche, along with some late-inning relief pitching by Paula Pell, are all so incredibly good. If you avoided this show because you were worried it would make you feel like crap, I encourage you to reconsider.

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    Platform: HBO Max
    2025 Emmy nominations: 13

    The longform, procedural, network-style medical drama is back, baby — and this time it’s got that HBO sparkle. The Pitt is so many great things at once: a return vehicle for Noah Wyle (Emmy nominated for the first time since 1999), a showcase for a crackerjack ensemble cast (Katherine LaNasa’s much deserved nomination stands in for a good half-dozen castmates who should have joined her), and a satisfying 15 episodes that never felt like one story stretched out over many hours. Cases flowed through the Pittsburgh Trauma Medical Center’s emergency room at a steady pace, some dispatched within a single episode, others playing out over three or four, and the stories unfold at their own pace, keeping the audience at a very effective imbalance throughout. And even with the green farm kid getting fluids splashed on him all season or the seemingly stalwart senior resident showing himself to be a heel, you felt like you were watching a group of professionals doing their best in trying circumstances. An inspirational show for our time.

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    Platform: Disney+
    2025 Emmy nominations: 14

    Andor is also an inspirational show for our time, albeit in a very different way. Over the course of two seasons, we saw the radicalization of Cassian Andor (Diego Luna) from disaffected thief to committed leader of a rebellion. Creator Tony Gilroy was unafraid to expand the field in season two, with Andor himself often taking a back seat to the expansion of characters like Luthen Rael (Stellan Skarsgård) and Mon Mothma (Genevieve O’Reilly), not to mention those within the Empire. Gilroy’s talent as a writer helped make Andor TV’s most satisfying multicharacter drama, but his verve as a showrunner is what took Andor to its greatest heights: a show that called out genocide by name and reclaimed the Star Wars legacy as a battle cry against fascists above all.


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  • Severance Doesn’t Work Without Milchick

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    Tramell Tillman’s performance embodies the Apple TV+ show’s guiding metaphor.
    Photo: Apple TV+

    Tucked in the midpoint of its season-two finale, “Cold Harbor,” is a moment that bottles the disorientation that makes Severance such irresistible television. Seth Milchick, played by Tramell Tillman, meets one of his employees, Dylan (Zach Cherry), in a sterile conference room to resolve the lingering issue of the latter’s resignation request. Despite enduring repeated humiliations from his employer, Lumon Industries, and though he’s oversubscribed, Milchick nevertheless handles the exchange with faultless professionalism. “As it may yield an embarrassing, emotional response in you, and as I am duly swamped, I shall leave you to read it in solitude,” Milchick says, his diction measured and verbose as he slides forward a folder with three exacting fingers. When Dylan takes it, the camera cuts back just as Milchick pivots and darts out the door like a bat out of hell, his ramrod posture still discernible even as the odd framing crops him off. It’s a fleeting and strange beat, cartoonish if it weren’t so unsettling, but one that effectively crystallizes Severance’s surreal tone — and at its center, the Magnetic Mr. Milchick.

    As Lumon’s middle-manager par excellence, Tillman was the breakout performer of Severance’s first season. Season two gives the character more power and complications that challenge his sense of self, and Tillman capitalizes on the material, repeatedly seizing the spotlight every second he’s on the screen. Tillman earned himself an Emmy nomination for Supporting Actor in a Drama Series, and though pundits are placing their bets on The White Lotus’s Walton Goggins, Tillman deserves to take up more space in the conversation. Beyond the historic possibility of becoming the first Black actor to win the category, he doesn’t get enough credit for embodying the strange essence of Severance, a show that broke out in no small part due to the boldness of its peculiarities. In a series defined by unusual, carefully calibrated choices, from its mysterious goats to the elliptical nature of its central corporation to the constant presence of archaic language (“Has it verve?” “The most of its flock”), Tillman delivers the performance that feels the most singular.

    The exchange with Dylan doesn’t come close to Milchick’s most dazzling showcase. That comes later, in the finale’s unhinged marching-band sequence, in which his electrifying physicality shifts to genuine menace as he tries to break down the vending-machine barricade Helly (Britt Lower) built to prevent Milchick from stopping her and Mark (Adam Scott) from freeing his wife. It’s a distilled version of the force first glimpsed in season one’s “Defiant Jazz” scene, in which Milchick grooves out with Mark, Helly, and the rest of the MDR crew in a corporate-mandated effort at boosting worker morale (or “merriment”). That moment worked in the opposite direction, injecting brief humanity into a character who had until then been cast as a Sphinx-like authority figure.

    What makes both scenes pop is their contrast. As Milchick, Tillman holds his body with a statuelike composure, which makes his bursts of movement land with amplified intensity. He is the vessel through which Severance constantly communicates Lumon’s dominance over its workers, his very stillness humming with the implied threat of corporate violence. That threat is made literal in “Cold Harbor” through another character, Mr. Drummond, a hulking Lumon higher-up played by Ólafur Darri Ólafsson who savagely attempts to kill a spying Mark in the series’s most visceral confrontation to date. But Severance keeps Milchick more enigmatic. The danger he represents never fully erupts but instead simmers perpetually beneath the skin. We continue to learn surprisingly little about him, even compared to Harmony Cobel (Patricia Arquette), who gets her own standalone episode this season, but the glimpses of Milchick we do see are tantalizing: the sharp leather jacket and motorcycle, the flickers of unease on his face hinting that he recognizes the system’s wrongness, and his fierce defense of traits central to his identity, especially his ornate, loquacious speech. That verbosity can be read as a battleground of race, class, and corporate respectability, and it speaks to Tillman’s performance that it all comes through without the character having to spell it out. His obliqueness is the quality that makes him so consistently compelling, accentuated by how the show never really lets you settle on how you’re supposed to feel about him: Is he an antagonist, a victim, or something in between?

    In this, Milchick embodies a crucial facet of Severance’s workplace metaphor. While the show’s sympathies rest squarely with the macrodata refiners as put-upon workers (including even Helly, though the philosophical ambiguity as to whether she can be considered her own person is part of the show’s conceptual fun), Milchick is the consummate middle manager, suspended between the ruthless authority of capital and the moral clarity of labor. His position grows even more complicated in the second season when he’s nominally promoted after Lumon benches Cobel as manager of the severed floor. The “elevation” means little, as he’s immediately wedged between another subordinate, Miss Huang (Sarah Bock), and Mr. Drummond, who looms over him as a corporate enforcer. The effect is a tightening vise. Drummond belittles him after a poor performance review, specifically targeting his speech; Milchick displaces that humiliation onto Miss Huang, and then, in a remarkable scene, onto himself. Alone before a mirror, laboring to internalize Drummond’s order to he simplify his language, the camera zooms in as he repeats a line he once delivered to Ms. Huang, whittling it down with each iteration from “You must eradicate from your essence childish folly” to “You must abandon childish things” to the blunt, simple “Grow up.” A sequence that could very well dance on the edge of hokeyness becomes, in Tillman’s hands, a scene of a man struggling between dueling impulses. His voice gradually descends into a growl as he vibrates with a mixture of pain, anger, and yearning.

    Severance may ground its narrative and moral thrust in the plight of its macrodata refiners, but Milchick is in many ways the essence of the show’s thesis, embodying the ways corporate culture twists, consumes, and corrupts all it touches. Nothing about Milchick works without Tillman’s exacting performance, and I’m rooting for him to have a long, unpredictable career. We’ve already seen flashes of what that might look like. In Mission: Impossible — Final Reckoning, where he plays the captain of a nuclear submarine Ethan Hunt (Tom Cruise) is trying to commandeer, he delivered the film’s single best acting performance, radiating more chemistry with Cruise in a single scene than all of Hunt’s love interests combined — “Mister, if you’ve come to poke the bear, you’ve come to the right man” — and so much militant erotic charge it could power the nuclear sub they’re inside. That moment, too, capitalizes on Tillman’s ability to radiate intimidation by way of an otherworldly strangeness, a quality that feels exciting in its sheer potential and, in this moment, award-worthy in its own right.


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  • Do You Believe? Utah Whitneys Want to Know.

    Do You Believe? Utah Whitneys Want to Know.

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    Modern-horror cinema’s most heterodox event took place on Saturday night, when two blonde Whitneys and A24 hosted dueling screenings at a multiplex within the southernmost border of Salt Lake City proper. The film was Heretic, directed by Scott Beck and Bryan Woods, about two Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints missionaries, Sister Barnes (Sophie Thatcher) and Sister Paxton (Chloe East), who knock on the door of a suburban Colorado house one inclement afternoon hoping to baptize the homeowner, Mr. Reed (Hugh Grant), into their faith.

    Within a makeshift chapel behind locked doors, Mr. Reed lectures the missionaries on Radiohead’s litigious copywriting strategy; Monopoly and its unsung predecessor, The Landlord’s Game; and bird-headed deities until coercing the young women to choose their escape from his house of escalating horrors either through a door marked “DISBELIEF” or one alongside it marked “BELIEF.” (Spoiler: Neither presents an easy egress.

    Inside this packed cineplex, the screening’s snaking line was filled with only the truest disciples of horror film and/or Utah-based reality television. Some people I spoke to had been invited to the event by A24 directly, including members of the Lost & Found Club, a women- and genderqueer-led 501(c)(3) that aims to bring community to people who have left the LDS church in young adulthood. But most people waiting in the standby line for tickets had to rely on faith alone that they’d make it to that celestial kingdom of a screening room and experience the rapture of an A24 film presented by a woman named Whitney (with a complimentary free small popcorn and small fountain drink).

    The event’s whole shtick played off the confrontational, dueling doors that have been the centerpiece of the film’s marketing: If an attendee was handed a DISBELIEF ticket, they attended the screening hosted by Whitney Rose, the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast member who was raised in the church but has since left it. If they got a BELIEF ticket, then they went to the screening hosted by Whitney Leavitt, a practicing Mormon and cast member of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

    The LDS church has expressed concern about Heretic as its November 8 release nears, which is also the date on which the film takes place. In a statement provided to the Mormon-run newspaper Deseret News, church spokesperson Doug Anderson said, “Heretic portrays the graphically violent treatment of women, including people of faith, and those who provide volunteer service to their communities. Any narrative that promotes violence against women because of their faith or undermines the contributions of volunteers runs counter to the safety and well-being of our communities.”

    I hear what the church is saying about violence against women — Heretic has a scene involving an elderly woman’s arthritic fingers and a blueberry pie that is, while slightly less depraved than Call Me by Your Name’s sequence with Timmy Chalamet and a peach, far more psychically scarring than the hand scene in A24’s Talk to Me. For what it’s worth, I didn’t find Heretic anti-Mormon. If anything, the film was overwhelmingly anti-smug British guy.

    Rose, who later told me that she was channeling her “inner missionary, Sister Rose,” wore a gray tweed short skirt/long jacket combo with a sheer turtleneck; a “Sword of the Spirit” necklace from her jewelry line, Prism, and a pair of Louboutins. Leavitt, who was one-week postpartum, wore a 1980s Jessica McClintock–inspired minidress from Asos. Her teeny-tiny, adorable one-week-old son, Billy Gene, and her husband/at-home scene partner, Conner Leavitt, watched her admiringly from across the room.

    Each woman had a designated theater to introduce the film, and right before, Rose invited me and my plus-one to join her for a shot of tequila to calm her nerves. (It was Casamigos, not her co-star/usual rival Lisa Barlow’s Vida brand, and I love drama more than I hate heartburn.) Before we knocked it back, Rose called out for Leavitt and anyone else interested to join us for a toast. Leavitt waved Rose off, but did spend time with her Mormon Wives co-star/fellow saint Jennifer Affleck and her husband, Zac, had showed up in the spare theater being used as a greenroom, and they were busy cooing over the new baby. Later, the internet told me that most of Leavitt’s castmates had been at a Sabrina Carpenter concert that night without her.

    In a joint interview before the screening, I spoke to both Whitneys about their reactions to the film and the proliferation of content about Utah women in the last few years. BELIEF and DISBELIEF embodied with bobs, sitting right next to each other in reclining theater chairs.

    So, first of all, I just want to know how your involvement with this event came to be. Online, on Reddit, and elsewhere, this screening became a must-attend event shrouded in secrecy. 

    Whitney Leavitt: Did it really?

    Yes. People didn’t even know how to get tickets and were apparently calling the movie theater, getting nowhere. How did it all come together? 

    Whitney Rose: I just got a call from a friend who said, “Can I have a friend reach out to your agent? Someone at A24 is a big fan of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. It was intense because I posted about the screening and shared the tag from A24, and all of a sudden, my DMs, my text messages, and my emails were blowing up with everyone wanting tickets.

    There’s something happening nationally right now where Utah is blowing up — not as a state but as a concept. And there’s something A24-ish about our fascination. Why are people looking at women in Utah with such fascination?

    Leavitt: I think it’s a lot of things besides our religion that happens culturally in Utah. Like, we’ve got our soda drinks. Yeah, we’ve got our “Utah Curl.” I don’t know if you’ve heard about it.

    Wait, I don’t know the Utah Curl. 

    Leavitt: The Utah Curl: It’s a specific curl that Utah girlies have.

    Rose: And I love all of your castmates a lot, but I despise the Utah Curl. You gotta curl your hair to the end.

    Leavitt: Or get a bob!

    I’ll say this. I couldn’t tell any of your Mormon Wives castmates on the show apart until about four episodes in. Besides you, Whitney. Because they all had that same hair. All gorgeous women, to be sure, of course …

    Leavitt: It’s a very trendy look. I think people were fascinated that we all looked a certain way, dressed a certain way, ate a certain way, and drank a certain way. But then, obviously, people were fascinated by the religion side of it too. And I also do appreciate both of our shows presenting a different perspective of the Mormon religion. Because I just feel like, worldwide, everyone thinks of Mormons in a certain way, right? But then you get to see a different side.

    Rose: I echo everything Whitney says. When you hear about Mormonism, your mind instantly goes to all of the things that they practiced in the past, like polygamy and multiple wives. Mormonism in and of itself, from the outside, looks strange. But when I was living in it, I didn’t view it that way. It’s just so normal to us, especially growing up here in Utah, right? Whitney and I grew up in what’s called “the bubble” of Utah County, and it’s just that everyone is the same. We all think the same, act the same, and have the same friends. All the moms drive the same cars. I mean, Mormon Wives shows that. They all have the same hair, except for Whit.

    Leavitt: The Utah Curl.

    Rose: Yeah, and I’m so glad that Whitney is paving the way there with her bob. It’s just fascinating when you have such a dense population of one religion and one culture. What people don’t realize is that there are so many different iterations and subcultures within that culture.

    Heretic has gotten a lot of pushback from the Mormon church. What is it so afraid of?

    Leavitt: Maybe they’re afraid of the filmmakers putting out false speculation or false doctrines. But when I watched, there’s nothing doctrinal about the church in it. Of course, there are Mormon missionaries, but I appreciated Hugh Grant’s character just giving a perspective of religion in general.

    Rose: I think the fear is that there are a lot of things that we don’t talk about or are told not to talk about within the church, whether they be sacred or things that were once true in the past but are no longer true in modern revelation. They’re scared of what’s going to be in it and what that means for their members.

    For me, this is easier to talk about because I’m not a member. I’ve removed my name from the church records. It’s just exposure. It’s fear of the unknown; it’s lack of control over one’s own narrative. It’s the same fear I have being on reality TV: We just show up and watch our edits.

    It’s fascinating to see you two here together like this, talking about the same faith from such different perspectives. I consider RHSLC to be the wackiest comedy on TV. And some of the relationship plotlines on Mormon Wives are the most depressing television I’ve ever seen. It was often hard for me to watch. And now, I’m about to see a whole different take on the Mormon genre within a horror film. 

    Rose: The writers and directors are brilliant with their use of horror and psychological thrill. It’s a cat-and-mouse game of: What do I believe? Do I really not? Am I just doing this because I was told to? It’s fascinating. I watched it last night on my laptop, and I was like this the whole time:

    [Rose mimics raising her paws up to her chest height expectantly, the laying-in-bed-watching-movies equivalent of being on the edge of her seat.]

    I was going, “Oh my God, I relate to this!”

    You didn’t serve a mission, correct?

    Rose: No, I didn’t, but I channeled my inner missionary with my look tonight.

    There’s a saints-sinners binary going on at this event, which was also a big part of Mormon Wives. Growing up Mormon in Utah County, did you feel confined to that binary of either being a saint or a sinner? Organized religion leaves very little room for dabbling in 60 percent of one thing and 40 percent of the other.

    Rose: From my perspective, the black-and-white was really hard. By design, religion in Utah is the culture. I was raised here, and people would know if you weren’t wearing your garments, people saw you at Starbucks, and people would know if I was drinking a glass of wine at dinner. By design, I didn’t feel I could live in a gray area. Now, this was 17 years ago. A lot has changed. Even us just sitting here together with such polar-opposite perspectives — I think Utah has evolved. You can interpret religion with your relationship to God versus the institution of religion.

    You’ve explored this on your show for years. I’m sure you’re aware of the memes. I talked to a Brigham Young University linguist about your “hilling” journey and the “fill/feel” merger present in the speech of millennial women in Utah, and I’ve never gotten such a response from people before about anything I’ve written. 

    Rose: That was like my top moment of a Housewife. I’m no longer LDS, but I come from a long line of Mormon pioneers. My family trekked across the entire United States to get here. I get so bad with words.

    When the linguist at BYU [David Ellingson Eddington, professor emeritus of Linguistics] talked to you for that article, I was so proud. I was so validated. I feel so seen. Someone understands my dialect and the way I talk.

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  • The Best and Nastiest of Slipknot, According to Clown

    The Best and Nastiest of Slipknot, According to Clown

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    “Other bands would get steps into our bus and be, like, ‘Jesus, what is that smell?’ That smell’s money, man.”
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    Slipknot has one of the grodiest lores in rock music. In their early years, they made a habit of huffing dead birds pre-show, then shitting and vomiting on stage, before throwing it into the crowd. By 1999, the members each had an assigned number, mask, and killer carny costume. Against all odds, their eponymous debut — a nine-man grumble of thrash and death metal — found mainstream success, becoming the fastest-selling album in the genre’s history.

    For Shawn Crahan (aka Clown or #6), the band’s co-founder, percussionist, and overall creative strategist, this has all served a spiritual purpose. Almost all of Slipknot’s iconic attributes can be credited to Crahan. Through his vision — the masks, the boilersuits — he left no unscrew unturned. If the world wouldn’t sit up and take notice, he’d break down the door and force them to.

    Slipknot have since gone multi-platinum, founded their own music festival, and stretched far beyond their parochial metal scene into persistent cultural relevance. (They also stopped pooping and puking on stage.) They’ve become a major influence, both sonically and aesthetically, on everyone from Code Orange to Playboi Carti. During a break from the band’s 25th anniversary tour, Crahan broke down some of the grossest and riskiest moments of the band’s decadeslong career. “I’m not happy with everything I’ve put out there,” he said, “but at least I’ve helped people disappear and break down their wall.”

    Big question. Corey can go from screaming to singing in his sleep. His confidence is on another level. I could point out so many songs where he can bring you to your knees. It’s hard for me to choose between his melody and his aggressive tones. But I would say — and I’m not saying it because it’s a big hit — that “Duality” would be up there. From the beginning of the song, he’s doing things a lot of people wouldn’t dare do. Boom, he’s into the melody. It’s like he jumped out of a plane and landed right into the song. And then he’s got this crazy voice with these loud effects and he gets to put on a different persona. How does he go through all of that?

    Oh my God. I don’t even know where to begin. I mean, there’s audio, and then there’s video too. We have tons of incomplete concepts, some just under completion. There’s a lot of Slipknot I wish the culture could have. There is so much I create throughout my career but very, very little is actually put out there.

    Someone recently brought up the album Look Outside Your Window. It was a piece of art Corey Taylor, Jim Root, Sid Wilson, and myself created in 2008. We made it up the hill from the studio that we recorded All Hope Is Gone in, in Perry, Iowa. No one believes that it even exists, or that it’s ever going to come out. I’ve always talked very highly of it and I’ve always said that you will never hear Corey Taylor sing like this. It’s just a whole different approach in my mind. Recently, I approved all the art. I’ve also worked really hard to get it mixed and mastered.

    Being born.

    “The Devil In I.” It has all the ingredients for a great recipe: knives, prosthetics, wheelchairs, straitjackets, explosions, blood, stunts.

    If you watch the video for “The Devil in I,” it looks like I hang myself. Legally, they would not let me do that — it’s a stunt double — even though I offered. But it was too dangerous. I wanted to be on fire at the same time.

    I was 14 years old. I was in a mall with my girlfriend at the time. We always went to Spencer’s because they had little adult novelty toys. Then I saw this mask in the clearance bin. I remember it exactly. I put it on and I immediately understood what it was like to disappear. I was gone and the real me had just shown up. It was so natural. From that day on, I molded my face to make my own masks. I have always been the Clown no matter how the mask has changed. The essences are always there. But it’s always ironic to me that the most identifiable clown mask is the one I didn’t make for myself. It seems like that’s sort of how brainwashed the world is, that this familiar entity that a corporation made has become part of my own merchandising. I still have that baby. I kept it in a safe in Iowa before I moved to Palm Springs, and now it stays hidden away in a bag in the studio. It’s shrunken a bit from all the stage lights. I know this is going to sound a bit weird, but I always though I was going to sell it for a lot of money. If I were to donate it, there’s no guarantee that it’d be taken seriously or protected. You know, if the Smithsonian would take it, I would give it to them, but I don’t know if they’re interested.

    I thought every time would be my last. But the obvious change came during the 2019 We Are Not Your Kind chapter. My body had just taken enough abuse.

    Oh God, I mean, it’s pretty bad. Just about every body fluid has gone onto it. It’s rolled around on every floor in every city. It’s rubbed up against human beings in the middle of a pit. It’s a disease on its own. All the masks are. When we did Ozzfest in ‘98 we were on a bus with 16 people. We didn’t have any money. No one knew who Slipknot was. We weren’t even getting a hotel room. I had to steal showers, waiting for the fucking Deftones to play so I could sneak in and use their filthy ass stuff. There was this lounge on the bus, with, like, six drawers. We put our masks in there. I can remember other bands getting two steps into our bus and being like, Jesus, what is that smell? That smell’s money, man.

    Slipknot through the years. Clockwise from left: Photo: Mick Hutson/RedfernsPhoto: Scott Harrison/Liaison/Getty ImagesPhoto: Kevin Winter/Getty Images.

    Slipknot through the years. Clockwise from left: Photo: Mick Hutson/RedfernsPhoto: Scott Harrison/Liaison/Getty ImagesPhoto: Kevin Winter/Getty Images…
    Slipknot through the years. Clockwise from left: Photo: Mick Hutson/RedfernsPhoto: Scott Harrison/Liaison/Getty ImagesPhoto: Kevin Winter/Getty Images.

    There’s a lot, but the one that’s really done me in was when I ripped my bicep in half on stage by hitting a keg with a bat. If you know anything about a bicep, it’s basically two wires, one on each side that holds the muscle in place — kind of like rubber bands that connect up by your shoulder. I ripped both those fuckers. So my bicep was actually on my forearm. Like, it just dropped down and my skin fell down with it. People would vomit when they saw it. I had surgery, and I lost 25 percent of that arm. I’ll go to grab something on the top shelf in the fridge, think I’ve got it, and then whatever it is will just fall. It hurts. I have swelling on my right side where this dissolvable screw was. Out of all the injuries, that one really is a daily reminder.

    I miss them. You know, it’s too much. I feel bad even doing interviews about our 25th anniversary because most of it lives with them. Their contributions to my life are incomprehensible. Yet here I am. It’s really hard for me. I don’t like that they don’t get to talk. They are the two people you should be talking to right now. Now it’s all memory. And, you know, not that many people try to take Paul from me but a lot of people try to take Joey from me because of the circumstances. But none of the band ever talk about that. Why would we? That’s our brother. It’s hard today because so many people have all these opinions on what Joey’s thoughts might have been of me. A lot of humans like to tell you exactly what they know that I don’t know. All I can tell you is that those are my brothers, and, love me or hate me, it doesn’t matter. We did some shit.

    Whenever we play “Vermillion” I think of Paul. I just remember him upstairs in the mansion whittling away at that song for weeks. He was a genius. And Joey, God, it’s just about everything. Right now we’re playing “Scissors” and you can only play that song with his kind of ability, and we haven’t been there for a long, long time. We’re finally back there. It was a song where he’d really just go off. But even a song like “Spit It Out,” the way Joey demanded the attention in that song. He was like the conductor — everyone paid attention to him. I miss that.

    “And now it’s over” from “Prelude 3.0”

    Band co-founder and bassist Paul Gray and original drummer Joey Jordison. Gray died in 2010; Jordison in 2021.

    Jordison was fired from the band in 2013, citing personal reasons.

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  • Trust the Kieran Culkin Process

    Trust the Kieran Culkin Process

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    I’m waiting for Kieran Culkin at the tip of the Greenpoint ferry platform, where he’s suggested we meet on a Friday morning to get on the boat, take it a few stops to Dumbo, then walk across the Brooklyn Bridge into Manhattan — a sort of hung-over New Yorker’s triathlon. He’s late and sending me self-effacing riffs about it: “I was just about to text you to see if you were also running late or if you were the kind of person that was professional and an actual adult, unlike myself.” The ferry pulls into the dock at the exact moment that I spot him on the horizon. He is instantly recognizable, clad in all black and wearing a pair of sunglasses, eyebrows perma-arched, hair like an inverted comma, walking with distinct hustle but not running. The boat starts boarding right as he reaches me, a little out of breath and visibly relieved that he pulled it off. “This is what I do,” he says. “I pull up to airports, I don’t even know what airline I’m flying. Sometimes I don’t know what city I’m going to. I still get on the plane and everything’s fine.”

    As we line up to show our tickets, Culkin, a lifelong New Yorker who rode the subway around the city alone by 13 and who contains all of the ungovernability and bullshit-detecting that this implies, digresses into a spontaneous but deeply felt spiel about the ferry’s flawed digital ticketing system (“The physical ticket, I can just put it in my pocket. I just have to get here early enough to go to the kiosk and fucking do it. But I’m lazy. And now I’m bitching about how lazy I am”). I will soon learn that this is his greatest talent, second only to his ability to wring humor, poignancy, and a sense of total reality from the dozens of onscreen characters he’s been playing since early childhood. Later, he will joyfully go full Larry David on everything from coffee-lid sizes to the concept of wearing shorts (“It’s a weird garment”).

    Culkin, 42, has made his career ­portraying boys, teenagers, and now adult men not unlike himself: hyperverbose and stubborn, skin-of-their-teeth charming, effortlessly funny, irascible and self-lacerating. He’s mastered the art of playing people who think they’ve mastered the art of the carefree, loutish façade but whose pathos and pain glisten through the cracks. He uncovered that instinct as a part of the brief but powerful Culkin Child-Actor Dynasty in blazingly earnest ’90s films like The Mighty and The Cider House Rules and Father of the Bride, sharpened it as a teen in artier fare like Igby Goes Down and The ­Dangerous Lives of Altar Boys, and most recently and famously perfected it on HBO’s Succession as sad perverted clown Roman Roy.

    He’ll next star in the film A Real Pain, a dramedy about a pair of cousins who embark on a Holocaust tour of Poland in memory of their late grandmother. Culkin is at the apex of his idiosyncratic powers as the magnetic charmer Benji, whose easy banter with his fellow tourgoers gives way to increasingly volatile moods that reveal a tormented core. Jesse Eisenberg — who wrote, directed, and stars opposite Culkin — is the ostensible protagonist David, ­Benji’s uptight, socially awkward cousin who envies and pities him in equal measure, but A Real Pain is Culkin’s showcase. Eisenberg remembers being consistently astonished by Culkin’s ability to show up on set with no idea which scene they were filming that day, scan his lines, then casually deliver “the greatest acting I’ve ever seen in my life.” Its Sundance and Telluride premieres received glowing reviews praising Culkin’s performance specifically, entering him into the Best Supporting Actor Oscar conversation.

    And Culkin nearly dropped out of the film. He’s notoriously picky about taking jobs; he turned several of them down in the years after 2002’s Igby, unsure if he wanted what he saw as a fun childhood hobby to be a proper career. “Things were coming,” he recalls of that time, like movies written specifically for him, and “I freaked out, ran away.” He eventually got comfortable taking on more parts, only saying “yes” when he really connected with something — which is exactly what happened when he read the script for A Real Pain while filming ­Succession’s final season in 2022.

    “It was one of the very, very, very rare scripts that I laughed out loud reading,” he says as we disembark and begin our trek toward the bridge, both sweating in the early-September sun as he curses himself for coming up with this activity and then showing up for it in an entirely black outfit. “It was that rare thing of, Oh, I know who this character is and I know how to do it.” Specifically, he recognized Benji as a near-perfect doppelgänger of someone unnamed whom he knows in real life as well as in a sort of a quantum-multiverse, Sliding Doors version of himself. “I’m one quick little misstep away from being that person,” he says, and he credits his decision to stop smoking weed in his 20s as one of the things that saved him from a lonely, depressive, Benji-esque fate. He took the role after the Real Pain producers told him the film wasn’t ­shooting for another year. “I’m like, ‘Oh, a year? That’s not real life.’ Then that year was up. And I had a panic.”

    Culkin is a consummate wife guy who brings up his spouse of 11 and a half years, Jazz Charton, dozens of times ­unprompted and tells me his ideal job would be a stay-at-home dad. “Some people say that but don’t really mean it,” he says, knowing how the whole thing sounds. “And some definitely just couldn’t do that.” So he was particularly stressed by the idea of being separated from Charton and their two kids. He learned while making Succession that eight days is the maximum he can be away from them without plunging into dissociative despair. “I don’t know who I am without them,” he says. As we exited the ferry, Culkin instinctively reached to grab a stroller from the ­storage area. “Where are my fucking kids?!” he joked.

    He tried to pull out of A Real Pain just before production began and ended up on the phone with Emma Stone, his onetime girlfriend and a producer of the film. “She did an almost reverse-psychology thing on me,” he says, laughing. “She was like, ‘Oh, I totally get that. If I were you, I’d probably feel that way.’ And I was like, ‘But have they started?’ She goes, ‘Oh, yeah. They’re actually already in Poland scouting locations; people are hired.’ I was like, ‘It’s not like people would be out of a job?’ She’s like, ‘No, no, they would, but it’s not on you. You said ‘yes,’ but if you have your reasons for not doing it, you’re not responsible for these people’s jobs. It’s fine; you do whatever you want.’ And I got off the phone and I went, ‘Ah.’ ” Stone laughs recalling the conversation. “I can’t believe he talked about it publicly,” she says. “Producing, I’ve realized now, is like parenting — every kid needs different things.” Stone got on the plane with Culkin, his wife, and their kids to make sure he made the journey. “I was so grateful that he did it, but, also, thank fucking God. Because it would’ve been catastrophic,” she says. His family was able to join him for a good chunk of the shoot but not all. When I ask how he pushed through the 25 days without them, he deadpans, “Alcohol.”

    Eisenberg didn’t learn about Culkin’s attempt to back out until after the film was finished. But when Culkin eventually told him, he was relatively nonplussed. “It was just another thing in a long line of, like, Who is this person?” Eisenberg says. He cast Culkin without ever ­having seen him perform in anything. The two had only met briefly — once on the set of Zombieland (where Culkin was visiting Stone) and once at an audition for Adventureland, which Culkin didn’t get but Eisenberg did, and where, Culkin tells me, he made the spontaneous artistic choice to pinch Eisenberg’s nipples through his shirt as part of the audition scene and forgot to remove his hands once the director called cut. When I bring this up to Eisenberg, he pauses thoughtfully. “I had forgotten about that. That’s right,” he says. “We’ve never discussed it. I think he squeezed my breasts.” While the breast-squeezing left no lasting impression, what did was Culkin’s “magic trick” ability to project both lightness and darkness simultaneously and in equal measure. He “exhibits real quickness, but there’s also a kind of real-world heaviness to him,” Eisenberg says.

    Culkin isn’t Jewish, which was a major discussion, Eisenberg says: “I have 17,000 thoughts about this, and where I come out is he gave me an amazing gift by helping to tell this story that is very personal for my family.” As Benji, Culkin is as enchanting as he is impulsive and infuriating, ­casually befriending other people on the tour to the astonished envy of David then later berating their sweet guide for his “constant barrage of stats.” In a vivid moment roughly midway through the film, he publicly melts down about the cognitive dissonance of traveling first class on a ­Polish train on a Holocaust tour, embarrassing David and baffling his peers. David in particular can’t seem to understand why Benji is so consistently plagued by ­suffering. “You see how people love you? You see what happens when you walk into a room?” he goes on to ask him. “I would give anything to know what that feels like, man.”

    With Jesse Eisenberg in A Real Pain.
    Photo: Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures

    Unlike a lot of actors, who tend to try to distance themselves from their most widely known role in fear of being existentially stuck or typecast, Culkin constantly and happily steers our conversation back to ­Succession. The show was deeply meaningful to him — it was where he says he finally realized he wanted to be an actor. On a personal level, he was such a fan of the series that he almost always watched it with Charton as it aired each Sunday night, though he mostly avoided the internet discourse. “My wife would tell me certain things, like, ‘Oh, people are making fun of the way you sit.’ And she’ll show me on her phone. And I’m scrolling, like, ‘Oh, yeah, I sit weird in the show. I didn’t know that.’” He still hasn’t seen the final episode, in part because he was already in Poland filming A Real Pain when it aired. It’s been so long now that he and Charton are planning a rewatch going back to episode one. He admits he might also be avoiding the finale because then the whole thing will really be over. He still daydreams about a spontaneous fifth-season pickup: “There’s part of me that feels like, When are they going to call?” he says. “I think maybe the reason is because I didn’t get the closure of watching the last fucking episode.” Suddenly, we are confronted by the half-naked body of his Succession co-star Alexander Skarsgård hovering above us on a gigantic billboard. Culkin stops talking and looks up at him, beaming with pride. “Well!” he says. “There he is.”

    While filming Succession, where he was encouraged to play around with his lines and his character, Culkin developed a sort of free-associative acting style, but he won’t go so far as to call it improv (“That has a certain feel to it”). Instead, he calls it blagging, British slang he picked up from his wife that loosely translates to “fake it till you make it.” He doesn’t like to talk too much about how he does this or try to analyze it; to look at it too hard might ruin the whole thing. “It’s written, and I understand the character, and then some shit comes out sometimes; that’s it. And I don’t force it,” he says.

    The not-improv improv of it all caused an initial clash between Eisenberg and Culkin on the set of A Real Pain. ­Eisenberg is a type-A planner and had each scene carefully blocked and plotted out. Culkin felt stifled by the relative formality. “It felt a little bit like going backward,” he says. “Jesse had set up shots before I­ got there to be like, ‘You’re going to stand here.’ And I’m like, ‘How do you know?’ He goes, ‘Why wouldn’t you?’ I’m like, ‘Well, we haven’t tried it yet is all I’m saying.’ I tried to go along with him those first couple of days, and it felt like, Why am I hired?” Eisenberg remembers changing his mind after ­filming a specific scene in which he asked Culkin to run up to co-star Jennifer Grey, who plays a tourgoer who bonds with Benji, and say whatever he wanted because they weren’t going to use the audio. “He was so free and funny that I didn’t mind throwing out the blueprints.”

    Photo: Mark Seliger for New York Magazine

    We’re in the East Village now, Culkin’s erstwhile neighborhood of 20-plus years, where he’s meeting up with Charton. He spots her from across the street and makes a loud birdcall to get her attention. Charton is disarming and funny, and the two are clearly enamored with each other, falling into natural repartee about their kids and each other. Charton lovingly mocks Culkin for being winded from our walk. “We went to our daughter’s school, and you’re only supposed to use the elevator for an emergency or if you have to, so we took the stairs and Kieran was out of breath at the second floor,” she says, laughing. Culkin picks up the story: “I made it to the third, and I took a break. She thought I was kidding.” Charton imitates Culkin: “‘I can feel my heart!’”

    In January, Culkin got up onstage at the Emmys and informed the world that he’d like to have another baby, which Charton promised him she’d consider if he won. “She had no faith that I was going to,” he explains, shaking his head. “I didn’t have that forethought of like, What’s going to be the response to this?” It backfired somewhat. “I was very moved, No. 1,” Charton says. “And then I was very confused that he would bring up my uterus.” Culkin nods cheerfully, willing to accept notes. “That I was calling you out publicly,” he adds. “I mean, luckily he’s not super-famous or anything, but I got weird messages from friends and family about it,” Charton says. “I feel like my uterus is now public domain.” He is openly apologetic about the bad blag, and the possibility of another kid is still on the table.

    Culkin’s next big project is Glengarry Glen Ross on Broadway, opposite Bob Odenkirk and Bill Burr, in the spring. He agreed to do the play because he thought it would give him more time with his family. “Then I talked to friends who do theater and have young kids, and I was like, ‘Wait, is it good?’ They’re like, ‘No, you never see your kids. You’re working every night. You never do bath time, bedtime. You get one night a week,’ ” he says. Instead of trying to get out of it, he asked the producers to change the schedule so he could have Sundays off. To his surprise, they said “yes” and moved the show to Mondays. “I’ve never heard of the show going dark on a Sunday,” he says. “Now I get one day a week dedicated to just being a dad.”

    That night, he and I meet up at a Gramercy steakhouse whose interior is emblazoned with a gigantic sign that reads “Beef and Liberty,” the sort of place that the Roman Roys of the world might ­conspicuously snort cocaine off a leather banquette and where, across the street, the entire Lohan family is dining outside. When I ask Culkin if he knows Lindsay, he corrects me on the pronunciation of her name (LO-uhn) and says he doesn’t ever recognize any famous people except for the anchors on NY1; recently, he says, he chatted up a very important higher-up at Disney without having any idea who he was. We order dirty martinis — “Very, very, very dry, barely any vermouth” — and Culkin deliberates for a very long time about which steak to choose, asking the waiter pointed questions about its provenance before landing on a huge bone-in so he can take the rest home for his family. But later, when he asks for a to-go box, he hands it all to me, insisting on giving me the leftovers because he wants me to make a steak soup that one of his brothers once cooked for him. He takes a deep breath and begins describing the recipe for it in passionate, exacting detail.

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  • A Megalopolis Live Actor on How He Got the Fourth Wall-Breaking Gig

    A Megalopolis Live Actor on How He Got the Fourth Wall-Breaking Gig

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    After decades of development, Francis Ford Coppola’s self-financed epic Megalopolis is finally in theaters. Set in an alternate America, the bewildering film explores the power struggle between visionary Cesar Catilina (Adam Driver) and corrupt mayor Franklyn Cicero (Giancarlo Esposito). During its world premiere at the Cannes Film Festival, an actor in the crowd stepped up to the screen and addressed Catilina directly in a fourth wall-breaking press conference that stunned audiences. It’s a showstopping experience unseen in a Hollywood production since William Castle was pulling tricks on audiences in his low-budget horror films back in the 1950s and ’60s.

    It would be a mistake to call this brief sequence a gimmick, though. It’s fully in line with Coppola’s late-period work that emphasizes technical innovation and privileges the theatrical experience. It’s not the first time either that Coppola attempts a kind of immersive experience. Nearly 15 years ago, the underseen and underrated Twixt, which featured just a few short sequences shot in 3D, aimed to reimagine technology as the landscape of innovation and possibility. Due to the film’s limited general release and the overall souring on 3D technology on a whole, it’s clear that Coppola needed to go bigger to replicate the magic of the big-screen experience he grew up with.

    Not all showings of Megalopolis feature the alternatively named “immersive” or “enhanced” experience of having an actor in the room address the screen. (Or at least appear to — the dialogue is pre-recorded.) But in the few cinemas facilitating this iconic fourth-wall-breaking moment, the brief role of “live participant” has become sought after by cinephiles and actors alike. It’s not just a chance to be part of a Francis Ford Coppola film but also an opportunity to be a part of film history.

    For Alex Rose, a publicist at Communications MingoTwo a press relations and promotional firm based in Montreal, it was simple as showing up for work one day. With zero acting ambitions and no extra cash to show for it, Rose landed one of the most iconic roles in film history, almost by accident. When they needed a man to play a journalist, he was the only guy in the office that morning. That’s how he stepped into the spotlight.

    How did you end up with the gig? How long before the first “performance” did you learn you were doing it? 
    I just received an email from Touchwood PR, which is a Toronto based PR company that we work with often because they don’t have a base in Quebec. Whenever they need something that’s Quebec specific, they’ll contact us. Honestly, in our office there are only women and I’m the only guy. One of the partners is a man, but he was on vacation for the period that Megalopolis was coming out. They said, it needs to be a man because the recording is a man’s voice, otherwise, anyone could do it. I had heard about it from Cannes and I was like, “For sure, I want to do it because it sounds like a unique experience.” I got the PDF and all the instructions, maybe a week before the first showing.

    What was included in the PDF?
    It was pretty specific instructions. They were specifically for last Monday’s screening, which was the simultaneous event that had the Q&A from the New York Film Festival. It was all the timings and stuff were queued to that. I think everyone got that same PDF that said, like “at 8:00, there’s going to be the Q & A and the movie should start around 8:30.” For those who’ve seen what happens, it was pretty down to the second of everything that we had to do. You know, walk from your seat to the microphone and put your hand on the microphone when there’s a feedback sound and, mime along to the dialogue, take notes and then go back and sit down. It had the entire thing mapped out. There was also a link to a video. I think it might have just been a test video. It doesn’t look like there’s anyone in the theatre watching it. But, there was a video of someone doing it, so then I just based myself mostly on that.

    Who was the person in the video? 
    I have no idea who the person was, a guy with a beard and glasses. It’s filmed from quite far away, there is not much to see.

    Have you ever wanted to be an actor? Are you being paid for this gig?
    I’m not an aspiring actor, I’m a publicist. I didn’t get paid specifically for this. I imagine it falls under the wages that I already get paid to do my job from 9 to 5 on Monday to Friday. I didn’t get any extra.

    Do you get an IMDB credit? Is this a union gig?
    I hadn’t thought about that. I don’t think so, but it’s hard to say. I don’t know how many people across the world are [doing it]. As I understand it, in Montreal at least, there were three screenings with the interactive element to it. The last one is tonight when we’re recording this but I can’t make it tonight, so someone else is going to do it. I don’t even know who that is. I don’t think that I get any credit, although it would be cool.

    What is your understanding of how other live participants in other cities are being chosen or recruited? Have you spoken to anybody else who’s done it?
    My understanding of it is entirely based on Twitter and people who are speculating on it. So I’m in the same position as everyone else. As I understand it, at Cannes, the actor spoke. It wasn’t a pre-recorded line, or at least that’s how it was reported. But, having done it a couple times now, I don’t know how that would work or be more effective, you know? Even though I’ve done it, I’m about as in the dark as anyone else about how everyone else.

    You kind of fell into the role because there was really no one else in the office who could do it. But imagine there were more people. Do you think that there would have been an audition process?
    I doubt it. I think it would have just really been like, “Who wants to do this?” I imagine in some contexts there’s people who want to do it more than I wanted to do it. I don’t think I would have fought in the arena for this opportunity. I thought it was cool to get it, it was a fun thing. But, as an opportunity, I don’t know how much of an impact it makes.

    On Monday, the first time, there was a lot of press in the audience, and so there were a lot of people that I knew who were watching the film. I was sitting all the way at the front, far away from everyone else. Most people didn’t even know that I was there. It’s only afterwards that people wrote to me, I surprised them. They were like, “Was that you at the screening?” And I was like, “Yeah, it was.” There was that element of surprise that I think would have been harder to manufacture if someone was really gung-ho about wanting it.

    How does coordinating with the theater work? Especially last night, which was a more public screening.
    It was pretty simple. I just had to show up at the movie theater and find a staff member and say, “Hey, I need the manager to give me the microphone.” Then the manager gave me a microphone. They were pretty hands off about it. I think most people who work in the theater had no idea that there was even this thing in the movie. They weren’t briefed beforehand because most of the staff that I spoke to thought I was presenting the movie when I asked for a microphone.

    Were you given any specific instructions, for example, on how to move or stand or gesticulate at all? 
    Not at all. I did it differently both times because I didn’t really know how I was gonna do it. I was kind of in the dark. The second time I leaned into it a little more. It goes by pretty fast, the line is spoken quite quickly and then there’s a lot of reacting to Adam Driver that you need to do in the scene. That’s where you can improv, so to speak.

    Are you also lip syncing? And did you memorize the line?
    I wrote down the lines on my pad because much of the line is the journalist quoting something back at Adam Driver that Adam Driver said. I wrote it down on my little pad that was like my prop. I looked at it when I had to quote it back. I learned the intro to it and then the rest of it I read off the pad because it had to look like I was quoting it to him.

    The way you’re angled from the audience, I don’t think they can really see your mouth. I just had to go with the spirit of it. At least that’s the way it was at the Imax theater in Montreal. I don’t know that it’s like that everywhere else. A lot of the instructions in the video talk about crossing the stage but Imax has sort of like an orchestra pit and you can’t go all the way up to the front of the screen. I had to work around it a little bit. I don’t know if that’s the way for every theater but ours, at the Scotiabank Theater, the closest you could get to the screen is about 40 feet away on a sort of balcony. I had to improv that a little bit. The important part is just being in the right eyeline for the character. In the crowd, it’s pretty hard to see if the person speaking is actually speaking.

    So that was part of the instructions that you’d have to have like a journalist pad?
    Exactly. That was part of the instructions.

    Did you have to buy your own notepad?
    Yes.

    Did you rehearse at all beforehand? 
    Not really. I watched the video a few dozen times or so, just to get the rhythm right but I didn’t really rehearse.

    How long is the video?
    A minute and a half. It shows you the scene right before, like maybe 30 seconds of the preceding scene before the fade to black, then the whole journalist thing and then it ends.

    Did you create a backstory for your character?
    I did not.

    Was the microphone connected to anything? Could you speak into it if you wanted to?
    It’s a real wireless mic, but it’s not connected to anything. It’s off.

    Are you required to sit in the theater until that point in the film? And do you just leave after, or do you stay?

    I don’t think you’re required to be there beforehand. Yesterday, at least, I left after my scene because I had just seen the movie. I didn’t really feel like watching the whole thing again. I kind of regretted not seeing the other half a second time but I had somewhere to go. Before I sat down and watched it, it seemed like a daunting task to watch Megalopolis twice in a week. But turns out it wasn’t that bad.

    So you’ve seen the film twice then?
    One and a half times.

    What do you think of the movie?
    It’s hard to say. It’s really ambitious, and it’s wild. I don’t think that it’s nearly as bad as some of the detractors are saying, even though I understand where they’re coming from, because it is like a huge swing. I don’t know if I would say I think it’s great or important or really successful at what it tries to do. But it tries so many things that it’s really hard not to get anything out of it. I got different things out of it the second time. It’s fairly dense and off-putting in some ways. There’s a lot of very broad performances and flowery dialogue and that is maybe off putting, especially if you think you’re going to see a blockbuster in Imax. It’s a gamble in being the world’s biggest, most like outlandish arthouse sci-fi whatevers and I think it succeeds mostly in that sense.

    What do you think the live segment contributes to the film? 
    The thing is, living it and being in it, I don’t know what effect it has on the actual audience, right? I can only see it from my perspective, which is I’m doing the thing. I’d be curious what other people took from it honestly, because for me, it’s really hard to zoom out and see it from any other perspective. It’s a daring idea. Ultimately, it’s a very small and somewhat inconsequential part of the movie. Once there’s no interactive segment, you’re not missing much. But when you see that, it’s a bit of a shock, even if it’s a silly William Castle type of stunt in a way. It’s very old-timey. It harkens back to the ’50s. I think it fits thematically in the movie, and especially in the tone.

    Were you nervous at all?
    I was more nervous before I’d seen the movie. Once I was sitting down and I started to see what the whole thing turned out to be, I was a lot less nervous. I was just kind of like, “oh, okay, I’m part of this.” I’m just a very small part of this huge tapestry of excess and exuberance. I was more stressed out in the days leading up to it.

    How did people react in last night’s screening?
    People kind of laughed. Both times there were, like, incredulous reactions. The movie provokes a lot of that reaction from audiences, sometimes intentional, sometimes maybe not as much. Although my feeling is that a lot of it is much more intentional than people seem to think it is. It was hard for me to gauge. I would say they seemed surprised. I don’t know if it was a good surprise or a bad surprise.


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  • No One Sees the World Like RaMell Ross

    No One Sees the World Like RaMell Ross

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    Fans of RaMell Ross’s Oscar-nominated 2018 documentary Hale County This Morning, This Evening might have felt some understandable trepidation about his decision to tackle a literary adaptation for his next feature. Ross’s new film, Nickel Boys, based on Colson Whitehead’s Pulitzer Prize-winning 2019 novel, opens the New York Film Festival tonight, after premiering at the Telluride Film Festival last month. How would Ross’s unique filmmaking style — built around montages of evocatively filmed, everyday details — translate into the high-stakes world of prestige studio movies? Surely, he’d have to water down his distinctive approach to deal with producers, actors, period atmosphere, narrative needs, dramatic arcs? Shockingly, he did not. If anything, Nickel Boys is an even bolder work than Hale County, utilizing point-of-view cameras and fusing them with the delicate lyricism of that earlier movie. It’s a staggering achievement — one that’s likely to be talked about for years to come.

    Nickel Boys is your first feature-length picture in six years. You worked on Hale County This Morning, This Evening for quite a few years — shooting it over four and laying the groundwork for it in the years preceding. You make that movie, it premieres, it’s acclaimed, it comes out, wins awards, gets nominated for an Oscar. So, what happens the day after? After spending so many years focused on one project, how do you start a new one?
    Well, personally, it’s a depressing state, because somewhere in the making of Hale County, it started to feel revelatory. The process of documenting, of participating in these lives, and making these associations, it was almost like a drug — an insight drug, where I was constantly able to see the world anew, and see my people and my race in a way in which I hadn’t encountered yet, specifically in cinema. And it culminated with the release of the film. Then, it goes out in the world, and then I start to talk about it, and I inevitably end up saying the same things at some point. I was like, I can keep it fresh, of course. The work is poetry. I’ll just use poetry. And I just ran out of poetry! As everyone knows, whenever you achieve something, or get some material item, you’re the same person you were before you had it. You’re not going to wake up and be different. So, it was quite depressing, because I no longer had that drug.

    But that’s just the personal side. Art-wise, it was the same because I was already making photos and writing. But about four and a half years ago, producers Dede Gardner and Jeremy Kleiner reached out to [Hale County producer] Joslyn Barnes to get in contact with me. As a person who works at my own pace, super slow, I don’t like to answer emails, and I was not interested in making a fiction film. I teach, I’m good, I’m really happy. But Dede made The Tree of Life! And I thought, If I’m going to meet someone, I’ll meet her. Literally the only producer I’ve ever met to make a film, and I get asked all the time. I was hesitant at first, and I expressed my concerns that if we moved into the project, I’d have creative freedom, and Dede and Jeremy were down.

    Watching the film, it feels like such a natural outgrowth and continuation of your formal approach on Hale County. When you decided to do the book, did you have an idea in your head already of how you’d go about adapting it?
    I hate to sound precious, but once I read the book, I thought POV. I thought poetry. I thought archival. It came pretty fast, because the way I entered the book aligned so much with my aesthetic values. That time period is saturated with archival images that aren’t from our point of view. Generally speaking, they lack the poetry. They lack the interstitialness, the lyricism. How does that affect today’s quotidian? So, if you repopulate that to make a film that’s only poetic in this deep narrative that’s ready-made, it seemed to me not only a radical act, but an actual intervention into visual aesthetics.

    It’s fascinating, because when the film first starts, and we get this fragmented, point-of-view style, it feels like maybe we’re watching an aesthetic overture. And we assume it’ll settle into something more conventional eventually. And it absolutely doesn’t! Which then forces us to think about how we process images, and narrative.
    It kind of feels like you have a friend that you meet and this friend, and you guys, you’re going to spend an hour together. And in the first 20 minutes they’re the exact same person you knew forever. And then all of a sudden, they start singing opera, and they start doing all these wild things. And they’re just giving you another world of experience with them, which you know because you know them, but also they’re sort of performing in a way that’s very different.

    What were your conversations with Colson Whitehead like?
    I’d say they were non-existent. It was funny. He and Dede and Jeremy “chose me,” whatever that means. As we finished the script and were going into production, I wrote him an email and was like, “Hey, I always wanted to be a writer,” all this stuff. “Really appreciate it.” And he wrote back, “Thanks for your note. Good luck.” And that was it! At first, I was… not hurt, but I was like, “Oh, man.” Then I realized, “Wait, that’s the best. He’s actually giving me freedom to do my thing.” So, I’m not beholden to him in any way. I am, but not really.

    Has he seen the movie?
    I think so. Apparently, he’s writing a book right now and he’s hard at work. I’m not complaining.

    Almost everyone I’ve talked to about Nickel Boys thought the film was extraordinary, but I’ve spoken to a couple of people who said that they might have found the film more moving if it was more conventional. But that seems to me to be partly the point: When we see ostensibly objective, or conventional depictions of suffering, it can be moving, but there’s also a voyeuristic quality to it. When we’re embedded in the perspective of a person, we start to experience it differently.
    I’ve thought about these things so much. One thing in the Zeitgeist that people can understand — though it’s not the exact same thing — is double consciousness. It doesn’t give you the Black double consciousness, but it gives you a type of psychological double consciousness, where you’re both in it and on the outside of it. Traditional cinema is the person that’s walking by the homeless person on the street and being like, “Oh, my god, that’s so horrible.” But then being the homeless person on the street and seeing the people walk by is a different type of filmic experience.

    In the past, when filmmakers have tried to shoot an entire film in point-of-view style, it’s tended to be a disaster. I think maybe the only other time it’s worked was a movie that’s about as different as one can imagine from Nickel Boys: Gaspar Noé’s Enter the Void.
    Oh, I love that film.

    I think the problem is that all too often the point of view is combined with a certain fluidity, so suddenly the camera is moving all over the place, which can feel artificial and awkward. Watching your use of point of view here, as you meld it with the impressionistic, fragmented style of Hale County, I realized, Oh, this is how point of view could work. Because this is closer to how we actually experience the world.
    To give you a long answer, in the history of Southern photography — large format, eight-by-ten cameras — Walker Evans and William Christenberry are doing things in full focus. F22, you can see everything super-clear, and it’s all super-formal. Then you think about the way that Black musicians have changed the use of instruments just based on their needs and the soul. They’re not using the instruments formally and classically. I don’t use the eight-by-ten camera formally and classically. I use it to express something deep that has to do with my experience in the world. Not a picture of the world, but my experience of it.

    My proof of concept for Nickel Boys was Hale County. I used three scenes, and I said, “It’s going to be exactly like this, which is a long lens and shallow focus.” Because you use the language of documentary and the language of cinema, because people think that shaky, moving camera is a person; that’s sort of been its code. So, to have a full-frame, 24mm frame, and you can see everything, we’re trying to replicate the purview of human vision. But like you said, human vision is attention-oriented. It’s not scaled. You can be looking at the entire coast of a place and one little fly can be in your face, and you don’t see anything else. If you can do that with the camera, then you can control someone’s attention in the frame, and not just give them what it is to see from the eyes.

    Director RaMell Ross on the set of Nickel Boys.
    Photo: Kasimu Harris/MGM/Everett Collection

    When I watch the film, and when I watch Hale County, it feels more like how my mind works than not. It’s not linear, it’s not straight. It’s not a normal film. It’s jumping time, and jumping textures, and jumping images, and points of view, and focal lengths, and sounds, but also it’s coherent. I think this is actually the way that the brain wants to work. It wants to let us have access to this wide range of associations. But because we’re so utilitarian-oriented, we’re on these one-track minds, reading things in specific ways. We’re just not allowed to let our unconscious flow into our consciousness and be within the image of the world, and the image of ourselves. Images are reductive intentionally for legibility — but they’re also complex, unconsciously, unknowingly. I think that photography, one, rewires our senses. And it’s also produced a language that has to catch up with our brains.

    How did you build up and collect all these images initially? Some of them are from the book, obviously. But a lot of it is just life.
    That’s where it came from. Life. I just made it up. The beautiful thing about the story is that I can just think about everything I’ve seen. I’m Elwood. I had a childhood, and I love images. And so I can think in images quite well. The original script was images and camera movement. That was it. The hard part is shaping it. We had hundreds of images. And so many that we didn’t shoot that I’m really excited to put in something else, because they’re quite beautiful, and ambiguous, and innocent, and visceral.

    I remember when we discussed Hale County a few years ago, you talked about how your still photography had prepared you for that film, in the way that you’d establish the frame and then have the patience to wait for something to happen — for a revelation to happen. When you’re working with something scripted, does that process of discovery change?
    It does completely. Especially when you have 33 days. And then you lose 5 days because of COVID. A person gets COVID and has to go, and you lose a scene. But we realized really early, Jomo Fray and I, that you have to miss things. You don’t want to hit every mark. If you hit the marks, then you’re producing it. But if you’re catching up to the world, then you’re in the world. Because the world is separate from your experience of engaging with it. We called it single-point perspective. The camera is situated in a way that it moves a bit like the human neck. So, just being responsive to the environment, but not trying to synchronize with it.

    When we talk about the theories behind images, and we talk about things like representation, or challenging convention, it can sound like we’re talking about spinach, or broccoli — like it’s all just stuff that’s “good for you.” But what you create is also beautiful. 
    One of the reasons why this approach got pushed through is because I’ve thought so much about my own work. I can talk about my work and my sensibility very clearly. So, it’s convincing! Before we made the script, I had a vision for the film. And I would’ve shot the thing on DSLRs, no problem, and would’ve been completely happy with it, because I’d have control. But I don’t have the technical expertise to make the image as beautiful as you saw it, the way that Jomo, and Nora Mendis, and all of the other production heads, did. Jomo comes in, and he’s a master. And then the concept is capable of developing: “Oh, we can shoot the film as if Elwood and Turner had their own Hale County cameras. We can make it feel like they’re documenting a time period they would not have been capable of documenting, with a poetry that didn’t exist. At 6K with a Sony VENICE on Rialto mode. Have it be a 4:3 aspect ratio.” I can really start to use all the resources from people who are masters of craft and artists in themselves.

    Because of the point-of-view approach, your two leads, Ethan Herisse and Brandon Wilson, are often not onscreen, even when their characters are. How do you get them to inhabit their characters in a situation like that?
    Well, they came 80 percent ready, so it wasn’t like we needed to retrain them. They’ve been acting since they were kids, but they’re not superstars, and they don’t have long IMDB pages. We did have to set their expectations that they weren’t going to be on camera the entire time. But we still needed them to be present: There’s a lot of hand acting and voice acting, and a lot goes into that. When Elwood’s tying the things over his finger, it’s quite easy to record someone doing that in the real world. But then to have it feel right, that takes direction. They were so open and wanted to genuinely play that. And they were, I think, deeply enthusiastic to be part of a production that was predominantly Black. As a director, I would say I’m kind of fun. I’m not screaming at them. I don’t have rules. They can do anything that they want, and then we’ll go from there and start molding. We went through hundreds to find them, as I’m sure you can imagine. I’d never seen casting tapes directed at me to evaluate, right? That was new.

    Good day, Mr. Kubrick.” That famous video, right?
    So good! So good! I actually have a copy of that on my computer. Editor Nick Monsour introduced me to that hilarious tape.

    If you look at any period film that involves Black people, actors are embodying characters from that time period. They have an accent, and they’re doing something of what they’ve seen the past is, or they’ve read the past is, or they know the director wants — something like that. So, we got tapes like that. Like a guy had a straw hat on, with a straw thing in his mouth. But this is what Hollywood encourages! Also, if we think about what masculinity looks like in Black culture right now, there were a lot of GQ looks, a lot of chiseled faces, the types of actors that could be in a superhero film and do really well. But it wasn’t someone who conveys the individuality and optimism that an Elwood has, or the cynicism that a Turner has.

    When I saw Brandon, he was just leaning against the window — just the Brandon that you see, running Turner’s lines. He was so flexible and confident in himself. And I thought, Oh, man, that feels like that could be Turner. That’s Turner. Then Ethan, he was a version of that, but he had this optimism. It was early in the process, but I think that was the first time that, visually, the Nickel Boys narrative came alive — because he felt exactly like the Elwood in my head, with his joy of life.

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    At a certain point in the film, a switch in perspective happens between Elwood and Turner. We’re watching the world through Elwood’s eyes, and then suddenly we’re seeing it through Turner’s eyes as well. How did you decide on this?
    That’s something that happened over the writing process with Joslyn. Once we decided that POV is not going to go to everyone — because if you’re going to give POV, then why does everyone not have POV? — then we thought, “Oh, what if we gave it to Turner? What if only Turner could see Elwood? What if only Elwood could see Turner?” The switch, the swap. It becomes more than a camera technique. It becomes a way in which these people are exchanging vitality.

    Later, you start to incorporate what seem like archival elements. So, the texture changes again, and another formal element comes in. 
    That was scripted the way it’s in there — because that smash of dramatic narrative, that beautiful cinema, with that archival image is a collapse that I think is just necessary and real. You feel that.

    Again, it seems like another way in which we experience the story even as we start to reflect on how we experience stories. 
    Which is the most human thing ever! We have a whisper in our head, we watch ourselves. Interestingly, I’ve found one place where you can get that duality is the audiobook. Because you’re not using your eyes in that way. You can have that visual input, and the audio input, and the input of the world and have that complex experience. I do this in my class, I call them “Order of Time Walks.” Do you know Carlo Rovelli’s Order of Time? It’s read by Benedict Cumberbatch. So, you have Benedict Cumberbatch’s smooth silky voice, while Carlo Rovelli is talking about what time means and doesn’t mean, in profound yet accessible language, and you’re out in the world and seeing things move. It’s mind blowing. It changes your relationship to time and space, because you’re in the world experiencing what he’s talking about.

    Tell me about your project Return to Origin, for which, as I understand, you shipped yourself from Rhode Island to Alabama?
    Basically, I shipped myself from Rhode Island to Alabama as some sort of homage to Henry Box Brown. But more to put myself in a really precarious situation, to approximate what it felt like to be terrified in that way. But I was super-safe. No one could get in the box. I could get out. Only two people knew I was in there. But the journey itself was so visceral. The experience gave me something about what’s at risk as an artist trying to say things that are meaningful — if that leap of logic is possible.

    Our first idea was FedEx. Did research with my studio manager for a year. We were tracing trucks, we’re talking to FedEx. Turns out, with something that big, if they’re going to go cross-country, you’re going to be put into a warehouse for two or three days. I’m like, “Oh, do they have good airflow in there?” They’re like, “Why do you care about airflow?” I’m like, “Oh, just wondering.” So, way too dangerous. Also, they’re putting forks through the boxes sometimes if they fall. And we need an oxygen tank. So, then we decided, “All right, got to do open air goose-neck trailer, have air flow, have it strapped down. And we’ll just use U-ship.” That thing where you can just have a random person who has a CLL or one of those licenses drive you. So we built the box out of Outlander railroad ties. Get my food, get everything organized, have someone set to come pick me up, get ready to do it. The person never shows up the first time, which no one knows. So, then we bail on that one. And then two months later we fully accomplished it. Basically, I just lived in this box for three days. Should have only been one and a half, because we were supposed to go straight there — but the driver had overdriven his hours, so he stopped at a rest stop in Pennsylvania for 15 hours. Obviously, he didn’t know I was in there, because we didn’t tell them. I’m just sitting there, like, “Why aren’t we moving? This is crazy.” But also, I filmed it. I had two GoPros, 100 batteries, an alarm set. Every hour I changed the battery. I have 59 straight hours of the entire journey that I’m going to make into a 59-hour film. But the coolest part about that is I started this project that I’ve wanted to start for a while called the Black Dictionary, which is me writing the word “black” before every word in the dictionary that I had as a child, to speak to the absurdity of someone being called Black, and also to get through it, if that’s even possible. So, on the inside is all text from the Black Dictionary.

    This also was the inspiration behind the boxcar scene in Nickel Boys. My studio manager and I built that, and then after we finished production, we drove cross-country and filmed me in it. And then we put it in the film. I imagined it because I was in a box going cross-country already, so I wanted to put Turner in a boxcar. I thought, I’ve never seen a time-lapse out of a boxcar. How amazing would that be?

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    Why Was the Miami Vice Pilot So Good?

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    Cinematic television didn’t begin with Game of Thrones or True Detective or Mad Men or The Sopranos or even Twin Peaks. It began in September 1984 with the premiere of Miami Vice. The NBC show about a salt-and-pepper cop team was so immediately seductive and addictive that rival networks were burning money trying to develop Vice clones and keep up with the show’s awesome weekly displays of designer looks, hot cars, and hotter boats. Men around the world imitated Sonny Crockett’s (Don Johnson) go-to look: Ray-Ban Wayfarer sunglasses, a sports coat over a pastel T-shirt, slip-on shoes without socks, and stubble. The look became so popular that in 1986, the home-grooming manufacturer Wahl introduced the Stubble Device, an electric clipper that only shaved whiskers a little. Its original name, the Miami De-Vice, was changed to avoid a lawsuit.

    Created by writer Anthony Yerkovich, helmed by filmmaker Thomas Carter, and guided by executive producer Michael Mann, Vice was ostensibly a police procedural: Crockett is a deep-cover operative based in Miami who partners with Ricardo Tubbs (Philip Michael Thomas), a New York detective who came to the Gold Coast to bust the Colombian drug lord who killed his brother. But it was more than the sum of its plot points. It was a Reagan-era update of hard-boiled crime fiction, about fallen characters who were cynical about life (Crockett smoked like a Bogart hero) but also looking for innocents to defend (and often watching in horror as they died anyway). It was a down-and-dirty portrait of the War on Drugs, and a critique of domestic and foreign policies that fed it, based on events that were really happening in the 1980s worlds of arms dealing and trafficking. Most of all, though, Vice was stylish.

    The 97-minute Miami Vice pilot (two hours with ad breaks) aired on commercial TV but felt like it should’ve been in a theater. It was a shimmering postmodern neo-noir in the vein of movies like Paul Schrader’s American Gigolo, Mann’s Thief, and Brian DePalma’s Miami-based remake of Scarface (to which Vice would often be compared). It also owed a lot to the sexy-bloody-glossy Hollywood features directed by English TV-commercial wizards who had crossed the pond in the late 1970s and early ’80s, including Alan Parker (Midnight Express), Ridley Scott (Blade Runner), Tony Scott (The Hunger), and Adrian Lyne (Flashdance). Another element in the mix was MTV, which debuted in 1981 and normalized a music-video aesthetic that was more about highlights and moments than literary concepts of conventional storytelling.

    These influences came together in an aesthetic that would later be called “cocaine chic” and in images that seemed to have been imagined not just as cinema frames but freestanding graphic photos that could hang alongside Patrick Nagel prints in a gallery. Each one provided a perverse kind of escapism: a dark fantasy depicting Miami as a dreamy, sensuous war zone dotted with glass skyscrapers, cobalt swimming pools, and pastels. Bad guys got away with murder sometimes. Innocent people were killed for no good reason. There seemed to be more ex-lovers than lovers. Vice’s Miami had torrential rain, deafening gunfire, languorous sex, and the most beautiful, broken people staring into space.

    “But here’s a thing that’s hard for people who aren’t in this business to understand,” says Carter (another Hill Street Blues alumnus). ”Before a show is made, it doesn’t exist. It seems so obvious to us now that Don Johnson was the perfect guy to play Crockett and Philip Michael Thomas was the perfect guy to play Tubbs, just like it seems obvious that Miami Vice was this groundbreaking show that had all these great ideas. But the Miami Vice that we now know, with Don Johnson and Philip Michael Thomas in their cool suits and all the cars and the colors and the music, didn’t exist until it was created.”

    Photo: Universal

    If Vice felt cinematic, it’s because Tony Yerkovich, then 32, originally conceived the story as a theatrical feature (under working titles like Dade County and Gold Coast). It was one of the properties he was developing in 1983 as part of a deal he’d signed with MCA/Universal. His main creative partner there was Kerry McCluggage, senior vice-president of creative affairs for the company’s TV division, Universal Television. McCluggage, then 28, was a wunderkind who had overseen the development of Magnum, P.I., Murder, She Wrote, and The A-Team; he “recruited” Yerkovich based on his writing for Hill Street Blues. McCluggage says the Miami Vice script was discussed as a possible feature until the president of Universal’s film division, Frank Price, gave a green light to DePalma’s Scarface remake. This was deemed “a potential conflict” with Miami Vice because Scarface was also a Miami neo-noir crime drama with Latin characters at its center.

    “We sent Tony to Miami to do some on-site research,” McCluggage says, “and he came back enthused about doing it as a series.” Yerkovich says the idea of Miami Vice as a TV show snapped into place when he was sailing into Miami on a boat owned by marijuana smugglers “possibly after ingesting hallucinogens. As we were coming into Miami, the city was vibrating, like on a molecular level. Like, where you can look at a leaf and sense the molecules vibrating with life in the leaf: I saw Miami like that. As vibrating pastels, right?” In July of ’83, with the backing of McCluggage and MCA/Universal president Robert Harris, Yerkovich sold the project as a weekly cop drama and was off writing a pilot script.

    (Contrary to legend, NBC executive Brandon Tartikoff, who died in 1997, did not suggest Miami Vice to Yerkovich by writing “MTV cops” on a napkin, and Yerkovich, Mann, McCluggage, and Carter are all still irritated that he tried to claim credit. “Brandon didn’t start telling people that ridiculous story of writing ‘MTV cops’ on a napkin until at least 14 months after the pitch meeting,” Yerkovich says.)

    Mann was focused on making theatrical films at the time (and would start drifting away in season two of Miami Vice to write, direct, and produce 1986’s Manhunter, a.k.a. Hannibal Lector’s screen debut), but Harris sent him the script anyway, and Mann agreed to sign on as producer because “the content was so good, it was so current.” He and Yerkovich shared an obsession with undercover officers devising “criminal” identities and using asset forfeiture to sell the lie by showing off seized cash, drugs, cars, boats, houses, and the like. Mann’s fixation stemmed from his muckraking journalist’s impulses; he’d traveled to research smugglers and dealers for unrealized projects that ended up being cannibalized for Vice plots.

    “I was fascinated by undercover wealth, and I still am,” Mann says. “At the time, Miami was the northern banking capital for the money being made in the drug trade, and it was the kind of place I’m really attracted to, which is a twilight zone, be it Las Vegas or Miami, where life kind of exists in this liminal space between a very hard reality and a kind of momentary, transient experience. That’s Miami Vice, right? It’s the weather, it’s the sexuality, it’s the visuals, it’s the light, you know? All of it.”

    Mann’s contribution to the aesthetic of the show was “huge,” Yerkovich says, from bringing in Mel Bourne — production designer of some of the most visually distinctive American films of the ’70s and ’80s, including Manhattan, Cocktail, Fatal Attraction, and Mann’s Thief and Manhunter — to consult on Vice’s look, to hiring Jan Hammer, a Czech fusion-jazz keyboardist, to compose all-new synth-driven instrumental music for each episode. “Michael was totally confident that the pilot would get picked up as a series,” says Hammer.

    Photo: Universal

    Philip Michael Thomas says that upon reading Yerkovich’s script, he knew he’d been cast in something groundbreaking (“The TV equivalent of the great pyramids of Egypt — a thing that will last forever”), and that the sensation only became more pronounced as the show began production in Miami in the spring of 1984. Nobody questioned the casting of Thomas; he was immediately accepted as the ideal Ricardo Tubbs. But the casting of Johnson as Crockett was a hard sell because he’d starred in multiple pilots that hadn’t gotten picked up. NBC worried he was a bad-luck charm. “There wasn’t a lot of enthusiasm from the network to hire him,” says Carter. “So we read other people. But we ended up casting Don.” (Johnson was the only major participant not interviewed for this piece; his publicist explained, “Don politely declines all these interviews as he just won’t go backward, only forward.”)

    McCluggage says the only hiccup in Johnson’s performance came early in production of the pilot, when he and Yerkovich watched dailies and realized that during the first few days he was “kind of doing a bad Nick Nolte impression from 48 HRS.,” a buddy movie that had been a hit a few months earlier. The two flew to Miami to confer with Johnson and ask him to try a different approach. It was an awkward conversation, but “Don was grateful and really wanted this role to work. And he kind of acknowledged that he was channeling Nick Nolte in his performance and it just seemed a little forced for him, but he had the ability to just make a quick turn, and everybody was happy from there on out.”

    Once on set, Mann and cinematographer Robert E. Collins tried to make Vice’s style as bold as possible, drastically varying the length of lenses; staging lengthy, complex crane shots in the manner of big Hollywood movies; and lighting night scenes with hard, bright lights that cast sharp shadows. “The rigor of doing 22 hours a season instead of six or eight or nine or ten was a challenge and a thrill,” Mann says. “I mean from the standpoint of both the writing of the episodes and the actual production: shooting each of the hours in seven days.” The key to staying on track, Mann says, was “inventing systems” that amounted to visually daring moments onscreen, but that were, at the same time, “very economical. We tended to, for example, light things with very large lamps that threw very dark shadows and not worry about the fill light. The effect was described as chiaroscuro. It also took 15 minutes to set up the light!”

    Mann and his crew also committed to filling every frame with color. It wasn’t as easy as you might think. “When I first went to Miami, I took a close look at it, and it was almost as if there had been this massive mountain of tan paint left over from World War II and somebody had bought it all in surplus and sprayed the whole city with tan!” Mann says. “And then, when we did the research, it turned out that, no, those are not the colors that were used during the streamlined Art Deco period of Miami in the 1920s and 1930s that we were wanting to use; they were using pastels! Then I became interested in how you can combine different colors to generate a sense of heat. And that was when we started to have these subtle chromatic collisions, like having a very faint yellow against a pale blue, or turquoise against pink. What we basically did was return Miami to Miami.”

    The result of all this imaginative labor was one of the most innovative pilots ever made for commercial TV. It created a stylebook that not only defined the rest of Vice (which aired 111 episodes) but drew praise as a beautiful object in itself. Hammer says that when he watched the first cut of the pilot, he was unprepared “for how beautiful it was. I thought, Wow — this is actually like something that I would watch.”

    Photo: Universal

    From the black-and-white expressionism of The Twilight Zone, to the Pop Art splendors of the original Batman and Star Trek, through the grubby naturalism approximated on MASH and Hill Street Blues, stylistically distinctive TV shows had existed prior to the 1980s. But Vice made them all seem like relics. It seized the prerogatives of formally adventurous international and art-house cinema from the 1960s through the mid-’80s and applied them to a TV show. It created not just a world but a mood — and sometimes let the mood be the world. The creative triumvirate of Yerkovich, Mann, and Carter and the rapport of Johnson, Thomas, and their co-stars — Saundra Santiago as Gina, Olivia Brown as Trudy, Michael Talbott as Switek, and John Diehl as Zito — proved alchemically perfect. The show had a pulse, a personality, a signature.

    This all comes through in the extended (by network-TV standards) “cold open” of the pilot, which kicked off with Tubbs (not yet identified as a police officer) following Esteban Calderone around New York and failing to bust him at a nightclub. The sequence freeze-frames on the thwarted Tubbs standing alone in a dark alley, then hard-cuts to the credits, a feature-film-like opener that matches documentary-like footage of circa-1984 Miami to Hammer’s buzzy, pounding theme and lists Vice’s main actors without showing their faces (TV’s norm at the time). A graphic at the bottom of the screen boasted “In Stereo.”

    Vice’s aesthetic comes through even more strongly in the climax of the pilot when Crockett and Tubbs drive to the docks to confront Calderone and his minions while Phil Collins’s “In the Air Tonight” blasts on the soundtrack at length. The sublimated sorrow of the brotherless Tubbs merges with the self-immolating despair of Crockett, who has just learned that a fellow cop who was like a brother to him is on Calderone’s payroll. Nobody had seen anything on network TV like this hypnotic, ominous sequence, which begins with the cops riding mostly in silence, save for a few terse lines and the sound of Tubbs loading his shotgun. It continues with Crockett’s convertible pulling up to what is apparently a French bistro at the edge of the harbor to walk to a glass phone booth and call his estranged wife, Caroline (Belinda Montgomery), and ask, “The way we used to be together … It was real … Wasn’t it?” Then Crockett gets back in the car and peels out, and the sequence returns to Crockett and Tubbs driving toward the docks. The cut from the phone-booth scene to the cops returning to the road falls precisely where the cosmos demands that it should: a split second after Collins’s timelessly badass drum fill.

    “In the Air Tonight” had been a needle drop before (in 1983’s Risky Business during a sex scene). But it fit so well in the Miami Vice pilot — “It was a little bit recessed, those drums and those voices, and there was a little bit of echo, so that listening to it, you felt like they were in some hollow space,” Carter says — that some fans of the show wrongly assumed it had been written and recorded for use in that sequence. In future years, “In the Air Tonight” would become inextricably linked to Miami Vice, even though it had been released as a single in 1981 and was subsequently used in other movies and series (including the pilot of FX’s The Americans). “Two days after the pilot aired,” Carter says, “I’m listening to the radio, and the DJ says, ‘And now, from Miami Vice, here’s “In the Air Tonight,”’ and he plays the song. And I’m like, Whoa. Oh my God. The show had immediately taken ownership of the song.”

    Mann describes the “In the Air Tonight” sequence as an experiment in form that aimed to pull viewers into a character’s subjective emotional state: “I wanted the show to drop you into … a crisis,” when “time slows and visuals ignite almost psychedelically.” Yerkovich describes the sequence as a tribute to Edward Hopper’s painting Nighthawks. Carter — who says the phone call was not in Yerkovich’s script until he suggested it, while Yerkovich insists it’s “scene 210 on page 104” — talks about creating a geographically nonexistent bistro in Bal Harbour by having a phone booth placed at the water’s edge, then instructing the art department to make a neon “Bernay’s Café” sign and hang it in the foreground. “You don’t see the café,” Carter says. “It’s almost like haiku or something, what we did there. It’s suggestions of what is. And as a viewer, you just go with it, right? You go, Yeah — they just pulled the car over at a bistro so this guy can call his wife.”

    Carter also points out a detail that might not register on first viewing if viewers are immersed in the story: You don’t hear the sounds of revving engines or the whoosh of storefronts as Crockett and Tubbs ride through the city. Much of the sequence is unnervingly quiet, save for a few lines and specific sonic elements and, of course, Collins’s song. “There is power in taking things away,” Carter says. “It creates a mood. It focuses you. When you watch this sequence, you don’t go, Why am I not hearing the sound of the engines? You feel like you’re being pulled into something, even without knowing why. And at the end, you wake up and go, How much time just passed? Was it a minute? Was it 30 seconds? Was it two minutes?

    Photo: Universal

    But it wasn’t just the pilot. Miami Vice season one was one of the best freshman seasons of that decade. It churned out one knockout hour after another (including the gemlike perfection of “Evan,” starring a then-baby-faced William Russ as a closeted gay cop). It sparked depiction-vs.-endorsement arguments about its presentation of sex, violence, and drug use. It soon became one of the hippest series in TV history to guest-star on, especially if you were a musician or a real-life political figure. Miles Davis, Frank Zappa, G. Gordon Liddy, Sheena Easton, Vanity, Captain Lou Albano, Chrysler boss Lee Iacocca, Leonard Cohen, and Thief co-star Willie Nelson all took turns charming, tormenting, or baffling Crockett and Tubbs. And it became a finishing school for future stars, including Liam Neeson (as an IRA terrorist) and Bruce Willis (as a wife-beating arms dealer). Luis Guzman was one of countless, now-ubiquitous character actors who got their big break on Vice. The show caught lightning in a turquoise bottle, electrifying every career it touched.

    Miami Vice ended up receiving 15 Emmy nominations, more than Hill Street Blues. In a 1985 Time cover story titled “Cool Cops, Hot Show,” future Northern Exposure showrunner Joshua Brand, then a producer of Steven Spielberg’s anthology series Amazing Stories, said, “The success of Miami Vice shows that people do notice production values, lighting, and what comes out of those little television speakers.” But in a Rolling Stone interview from that same year, Mann pushed back against the praise heaped on the show: Vice seemed radical because TV had been so conservative for so long. “We haven’t invented the Hula-Hoop or anything,” he said. “We’re only contemporary. And if we’re different from the rest of TV, it’s because the rest of TV isn’t even contemporary.”

    Mann, Carter, and Yerkovich are all generous in crediting colleagues with helping define the show’s overall artistic identity, which proved sturdy enough to remain consistent-ish over five seasons and several changes in management. (Yerkovich compares the core creative team to Aspen trees, which “seem like individual trees but are actually connected through a single root system, and can probably communicate.”) Toward the end of the show’s run, future Law & Order franchise mogul Dick Wolf took over producing, but Vice continued to look and sound amazing, even though Wolf has never, in 40-plus years of making television, been praised for his sense of style. Mann was careful to note in this interview that he only extrapolated what was suggested in Yerkovich’s script, amplified it, then took it over when Yerkovich left the show to create another NBC neo-noir, Private Eye (which co-starred Michael Woods and a young Josh Brolin). “Michael Mann did not create Miami Vice,” Mann says. “Tony did.” Carter is likewise effusive about the vision sketched in Yerkovich’s script, while Yerkovich reminds this reporter on four separate occasions that it was Carter who directed the “In the Air Tonight” sequence and chose the song. (“It’s true,” Carter says.)

    In retrospect, the “In the Air Tonight” sequence is a before-and-after moment for TV, comparable in force to the effect on cinema of the Stargate sequence at the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey. I vividly recall reading a critic’s description of the phone-booth shot in his review of the pilot, back when TV critics rarely talked about how TV shows looked. This one described the composition of the phone-booth shot in detail and said it evoked Jean-Luc Godard’s Alphaville. At the time, I was a 15-year-old high-schooler in Dallas who had no idea who Godard was, much less what Alphaville was, and I’d bet Crockett’s black 1972 Ferrari Daytona Spyder that neither had ever been previously mentioned in relation to a cop show.

    Vice inspired that kind of analysis because it was made by people who were legitimately, enthusiastically, publicly cinephiles. My first conversation with Mann, over 30 years ago, was about how the simple, repetitious music and oddly timed cuts in the final action sequence of The Last of the Mohicans were part of a conscious strategy to distort the audience’s perception of time and make five minutes of action feel like an endless nightmare — an effect that recurs throughout Vice’s run, no matter who an episode’s director happens to be. The mathematician-showman-philosopher aspect of Mann shapes even episodes of Vice that were made long after he’d left the series. Carter was a self-taught moviemaker whose film school was Los Angeles–area art-house theaters, where he sought out works by postwar European cinema legends, the American New Wave directors who worshiped them, and the aforementioned ad-trained Brits. Yerkovich says that although he considers the Godard-Alphaville comparison “flattering,” he was a bigger fan of two other French New Wave figureheads, Jean-Pierre Melville (Le Samourai, Le Cercle Rouge) and Claude Chabrol (Web of Passion, Les Boucher). As Yerkovich speaks of wanting “to place an existential hero in a city in which the American dream had been distilled into something perverse, a city whose moral base was as shifting and insubstantial as the sands on which it was built,” he cites William Butler Yeats, Raymond Chandler, and Dashiell Hammett.

    But by the time the season-two premiere, “Prodigal Son,” aired in the fall of 1985 — another movie-length episode, this time sending Crockett and Tubbs to New York on assignment and having Tubbs reconnect with an ex-lover, played by none other than blaxploitation goddess Pam Grier — there were signs that Vice was leaning too hard into its Vice-ness, especially in its use of music to summon an epic feeling when the storytelling had gone slack. (The episode made a newly minted hit of Glenn Frey’s “You Belong to the City,” which played at length while Crockett strolled around Manhattan — far from the only time Vice padded its run time with a needle drop.) “You have to be careful to not allow the style of a thing to become the substance,” warns Carter. “That’s the thing, because style is not substance. Style is there to enhance the substance, to deepen it. If it’s there for its own sake, it quickly becomes hollow.”

    Detours and misfires aside, Vice’s constellation of talent was such that the show continued to produce memorable episodes into its fourth and fifth seasons, when it became more slack and cartoonish and tried to jazz things up by giving Crockett amnesia that leads him to believe he’s his drug-dealing alter ego, Sonny Burnett. (My own Hall of Fame includes multiple episodes from seasons two through five, including “Out Where the Buses Don’t Run,” which has an all-timer sicko punch line; “Bushido,” which climaxes with Castillo using a samurai sword against gun-toting assassins; “Forgive Us Our Debts,” in which Crockett becomes convinced that a man he sent to prison for murder is innocent of the crime; and “Down for the Count,” in which Zito goes undercover as a boxing manager to bust a corrupt bookie.) “Tony left the show after 16 episodes, and I left the show to do Manhunter in ’86 and Crime Story after that,” Mann says. “But the established aesthetic and the writing of Tony’s pilot and the casting of Don Johnson and Philip Michael Thomas had so defined Crockett and Tubbs and that world that it made it very difficult to deform the show and get kind of average about it.”

    “All the way through, there was always a lot to appreciate,” says Carter, who kept watching Miami Vice even though he never directed another episode after the pilot (by choice, he says; he’s more interested in the beginning, when he can have a hand in creating a style). “There were pros and cons, always. The pros: They brought in all these people, a lot of people, who you never saw on TV. So the show was really about opening a window to a lot of other faces and ideas. The cons: Sometimes, the faces and ideas worked, and sometimes they didn’t. But even so — even so! — there would be occasions where the story and the use of music and image on Miami Vice would marry in a way that would be really compelling. And when it did, it was unlike anything else on TV.”

    Tubbs was half Jamaican, half Puerto Rican, while his and Crockett’s Miami PD colleague Gina Navarro Calabrese, played by Saundra Santiago, was Cuban American. The ranks of both the cops and criminal populations boasted lots of Latin names, including Lou Rodriguez (Gregory Sierra), chief of the Metro-Dade Organized Crime Bureau-Vice Division, and Lieutenant Castillo (Edward James Olmos), who replaced Rodriguez after Sierra asked to be written out of the show because he didn’t want to have to live in Miami full-time. Sierra was killed off in the fourth episode, “Calderone’s Return, Part 1,” taking an assassin’s bullet meant for Crockett.

    No, readers, this is not a typo. The cannibal’s name is spelled with an o in Mann’s film.

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    Mann would go on to work on TV shows like Crime Story, Robbery Homicide Division, Luck, and Tokyo Vice.

    Yerkovich eventually left TV and became a successful restaurateur, co-founding Santa Monica’s now-33-year-old “American regional cuisine” eatery the Buffalo Club. Of course, the architecture is Art Deco.

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  • Hurley and the Hot Pocket Outlived Lost’s Wildest Lore

    Hurley and the Hot Pocket Outlived Lost’s Wildest Lore

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    It was always refreshing to get a lighthearted break from the insanity and lore on Lost. That was particularly true by season five, when you also had to keep track of who was where, when, how, and why — not to mention who was who (any character could be possessed, dead, or a hallucination). In episode two of its fifth year, Lost gave us less than 15 seconds of comedy gold in the form of Hurley throwing a microwave-fresh Hot Pocket at Ben Linus and missing wide right.

    Real-time screenshotting and GIF-ing TV scenes on Twitter hadn’t yet become the norm, so the moment wasn’t memed into virality back when it aired in 2009. But the assorted fandom sites dedicated solely to Lost ate it up, with one Television Without Pity commenter summing up the general feeling: “All the crazy things in this show, I focus on the hot pocket, lol.”

    The show’s marketers knew there was something special about this seemingly random scene — the season-five DVD menu background on disc one plays a shot of Hurley putting the Hot Pocket in the microwave. If you idle there long enough, he comes back to get his snack.

    But while that savory, sauce-filled pastry splattering against a kitchen wall holds a special place in the hearts of many fans, the cast and crew had no idea the random gag would have such staying power. When Vulture tracked down several of the people responsible for Hurley’s inept Hot Pocket defense — co-writers Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz, director Jack Bender, editor Mark Goldman, sound designer Paula Fairfield, and Hugo “Hurley” Reyes himself, Jorge Garcia — they had, at best, fuzzy-yet-fond memories of its creation and filming.

    “I said, ‘I think they’ve got the wrong writers. We never had Hurley throw a Hot Pocket,’” Kitsis recalls. “And Adam goes, ‘We did, and that was your idea.’”

    First, though, let’s back up for a refresher on what’s happening in this episode, “The Lie,” which was the second half of the season’s two-hour premiere. At this point in the series, the castaways on the island are stuck jumping through time against their will for reasons too complicated to recap here. (We’re deep in mythology,” as Garcia puts it.) Off the island, in 2007, the Oceanic Six — Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun, and Claire’s baby, Aaron, who returned to the mainland at the end of the prior season — are explaining away their miraculous survival with a bullshit story that prevents villain Charles Widmore and his henchmen from learning the island’s real location. That’s just the setup for this episode, which centers on Hurley and his struggles to maintain the titular fib.

    Hurley is hiding out in his mansion when he’s approached by Michael Emerson’s Ben Linus — who, the audience knows, is actually on the Oceanic Six’s side, working with Jack to get them back to the island because the mystical powers that be demand it. Ben sneaks around back into the kitchen, startling our hero into throwing his hotly anticipated snack at the intruder. Like many things Lost, the Hot Pocket had a deeper meaning beyond the bit.

    In an earlier version of Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz’s script, the snack symbolized the bond between Hurley and his mother. “We wanted something that would evoke Hurley growing up with his mom, like he would come home after school and she would make him a Hot Pocket,” Kitsis says. “Each character dictated the tone of their own episode, and Hurley episodes were best when they had a great dose of humor plus heavy emotion. Adam and I, at that time, really found it funny, the name ‘Hot Pocket’ — it was an inside joke and it worked perfectly with the emotion.”

    The Hot Pocket’s connection to Hurley’s mom got cut in rewrites but the duo were able to deploy the snack when they needed an amusing way for Hurley to react to Ben’s intrusion. “He’s not a character who’s ever going to hurt someone. Even if he hit Ben it still wouldn’t have hurt him,” says Horowitz. “It was always about finding that line — funny enough without crossing into the too-absurd.”

    Why choose a Hot Pocket over, say, a generic frozen burrito? “They’re just inherently funny,” he says. “They’re sleepover foods when you’re a kid. They’re stoner foods when you’re in college, or now. Hot Pockets are like a Swiss Army Knife of snacks.”

    On Zoom, director Jack Bender rewatches the scene on YouTube to refresh his memory. “There’s the Hot Pocket! I totally remember it!” he exclaims. “What’s great is the juxtaposition of using a Hot Pocket as a weapon — it’s very Lost-ian. As much as we dug deep emotionally, suspensefully, and philosophically, there was also that left-of-center humor. And using a Hot Pocket as a weapon is something Hurley definitely would have done.”

    Bender immediately recalls wanting to open the scene — which follows Jack reviving Sayid from being shot with a dart full of sedatives — with a transition to a POV shot from the microwave’s interior. “Look, it’s not reinventing cinema. Over the years, I and other directors have shot inside the refrigerator. I wanted to be inside on a wider angle, see that stupid Hot Pocket going around, see Hurley’s face come in because I knew that would be a great way to start it.”

    To accomplish this, the props team removed the back of a working microwave and its heating element, allowing the camera to shoot through while the carousel and other electronics functioned normally. “It lights like it would, which makes it even goofier,” Bender says. “We made sure it wasn’t going to be a steaming-hot Hot Pocket.”

    Bender and Garcia remember filming that day had an upbeat, lighthearted atmosphere — and not only because Garcia got to wear his “regular clothes instead of island clothes.” Given a fake pastry made by prop master Rob Kyker, they did take after take, with resets to wipe down sauce from the wall or wherever the Pocket landed when Garcia missed.

    “It was so silly, throwing that rubber Hot Pocket. I had to do it a lot,” says Garcia. “Fake food is always entertaining to look at and play with. I didn’t really have Hot Pocket experience, but it had a decent enough heft. It had a little bounce to it, so sometimes where it would go after it hit the wall was pretty funny. Trying to get the precision on that, when you hit it, you’re really proud of the smear — ‘Oh, that’s the one!’ That was fun.”

    There was one drawback to using a Hot Pocket as Hurley’s weapon of choice: Without a product-placement deal set up, the Lost team wasn’t allowed to mention its brand name. “There was a great line — as it slides down the wall, Ben turns to Hurley and goes, ‘Well, that’s just a waste of a Hot Pocket.’ Michael took this line and hit it like a home run,” Kitsis says. “We had to cut it in editing because it’s like a free commercial.”

    After the splat, Emerson’s unnerving, unflappable gaze switches the atmosphere from comic relief to white-knuckle suspense. But it’s not just the acting — a lot of credit for keeping viewers uneasy goes to the pacing and shot selections by editor Mark Goldman.

    “It’s Hurley’s scene, so by keeping the cutting simple and using the camera angles that move with him, you’re thinking it’s a domestic scene. Ben entering throws it off,” he says. “If we played it as strictly a scare moment and had the music go ‘dun dun dun,’ some of the humor of the Hot Pocket would have gotten stepped on. I’m a firm believer that a show is more engaging when the tone shifts, and Michael is so compelling that cutting to a medium-close shot of him shifts the tone right away. He’s Mr. Cool, the calmest person around, whereas Hurley is throwing Hot Pockets.”

    The microwave-to-countertop segment plays out realistically, calming the viewer with its sense of familiarity. On Lost, the scripts, performances, editing, visuals, and audio were all executed with the idea that the show had to feel real so audiences would put themselves in the castaways’ shoes, or lack thereof.

    “We tried to make the show about real people living through confusion, fear, and, Where the fuck are we? How did we get here? Monsters are chasing us!” says Bender. “What I always pushed for — and the actors’ instincts were the same — was ‘Let’s make this real so that no matter how preposterous it goes, people relate and care.’”

    In this instance, you’re meant to wonder how you’d react if you were in Hurley’s position — and you wouldn’t be doing that if the little details didn’t add up. For Paula Fairfield, the episode’s sound designer, that meant making sure elements like the Pocket cooking were realistic to the ears. After all, if it sounded like the pastry was being grilled over coals, the viewer might get stuck on that incongruity and miss the action.

    “Sizzle, ding, open the door, close the door, and then bam — it’s got to be very naturalistic, kind of understated but very specific,” she says. “I think I recorded the ding but the other stuff I had in my sound library. The sizzle was a tamped-down bacon sizzle. The Hot Pocket hitting the wall has a little bit of a slap, slightly wet, a little crunch, and a little weight to it. It can’t sound too hard. You don’t want to push something too much because it’ll pull the viewer out.”

    Clearly, the moment landed as intended, then and now — it still pops up in tweets and gets thoroughly discussed on Reddit threads. “We never thought that in a show that won an Emmy for very great drama, the Hot Pocket would rise to meet Locke in a wheelchair, no,” Kitsis says, laughing.

    “We knew the weight of ‘not Penny’s boat’ and ‘The Constant,’” adds Garcia. “The show is surrounded with so much intensity, the moments of levity become very appreciated by the audience. It’s like when Hurley makes a golf course. People responded to it and talked about it as the ‘Hurley makes the golf course’ episode. But I’m like, ‘No, that’s the Sayid gets captured and held hostage episode! I’m the B story!’”

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  • No One Yelled Like Fatman Scoop

    No One Yelled Like Fatman Scoop

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    When they weren’t shooting the shit between songs or screaming over records, overnight DJs for New York’s landmark rap station Hot 97 would find themselves with brief pockets of downtime. Isaac Freeman III, known to fans as Fatman Scoop, used these rare quiet moments to write, frequently calling DJ Riz, his partner in the rap duo Crooklyn Clan, to run through potential lyrics for their club anthems. Scoop was once a rapper, but the lines he’d workshop for Riz, on club classics like “Where U @?” and “Be Faithful,” weren’t exactly rap. They were closer to stage directions, the kind of guidance you might find if parties came with instruction manuals. It’s amusing to picture Scoop in pained concentration, scribbling rudimentary commands to women to put their hands up, to throw different denominations of legal tender in the air, to make noise or shut up.

    For three decades, Fatman Scoop, who passed away on August 30 at the age of 56, was rap’s preeminent hype man. In a way that is true for few other recorded artists, his art didn’t thrive in his lyrical content — on his biggest hit, “Be Faithful,” his most memorable line is commanding “all the chickenheads, be quiet!” three times in a row — but the quality of his voice. Scoop didn’t invent this approach as much as he remixed it. “Hands Up,” his first collaboration with Crooklyn Clan, is a mix of popular instrumentals stitched together with Scoop’s battle-worn voice issuing the same proclamations DJs have been shouting at partygoers for generations. He wasn’t like Red Alert or Funkmaster Flex — radio DJs yelling over records live on the air (though he did that, too) — nor was he Ol Dirty Bastard, deliriously screaming over the intros, outros, and choruses of his own songs. Like DJ Kool before him, Scoop reclaimed and recontextualized existing songs with records built around his shouting.  

    A former member of the DJ collective the X-Men (now known as the X-Ecutioners), Scoop got his start doing promo for the label Tommy Boy, which he later parlayed into the job at Hot 97. As his own records blew up, the larger entertainment industry came calling. For a time in the 2000s he was in high demand, lending that voice and spontaneous kineticism to what might otherwise have been disposable pop standards from Timbaland (“Drop”), Janet Jackson (“So Excited (Remix)”), Missy (“Lose Control”; this wonderful video captures Scoop performing his up-close magic), and Mariah Carey (“It’s Like That”).

    There’s a school of thought that hip-hop’s origins go back much further than its supposed 1973 birth, to Black southern DJs in the ’30s and ’40s who smuggled African oral traditions into their introductions to the Black pop of their day. They talked their shit with style, verve, and musicality. They rhymed, they spit, they yelled at their listeners. Fatman Scoop — who was born two years before Herc hosted his ‘73 Back to School Jam in the Bronx — descended from this tradition, transfusing recorded music with the spontaneous energy of the impromptu shows and parties that molded the early days of the genre. He soon became a tour guide, a cultural commentator, a Simon Says host. But above all, he was just a familiar type of New York character: a loud man who lights up any room he walks into, making strangers take shots at a cookout while charming everyone with his goofy, profane limericks. In his abrasive, gravel-filled uncle’s bark — one that sounded like every cigarette he ever smoked — he emanated an endearing knowability.

    Fifty-three years does not make what many consider a full life, but in a tragic recurring narrative we’ve seen in hip-hop entirely too frequently, it was all that was afforded to a kid from Harlem whose artist name was inspired by his love of ice cream. And yet, there is an aspirational quality to the way Fatman Scoop passed on Friday night in Connecticut. He died doing what he lived for: shirtless on a stage in the tristate area, literally screaming his heart out at a crowd of revelers. In an epitaph a judicious editor would never print for its graceless obviousness, his final recorded words before collapsing were “Make some noise.”

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  • What Is the New Standard for America Cinema?

    What Is the New Standard for America Cinema?

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    The movies in competition at the 2024 Venice Film Festival told a story of a porous U.S. film world, a washed up scene, or something in between.
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    Exhausted from jetlag and with stomachs full of way too much pasta, Vulture’s correspondents have finally returned from the Venice Film Festival. Both of us were on the Lido for the very first time. Besides the thrill of seeing stars in their natural habitat, and the joy of devoting multiple hours a day to experiencing the cream of global cinema, what did we make of the experience?

    Nate Jones: This was the first Venice to take place since last year’s SAG-AFTRA and WGA strikes. On one hand: The stars were back! On the other: American film production was shut down for a significant chunk of 2023, which is when many movies in this year’s festival would have been trying to shoot. Did you notice any effect on the quality of the films in competition?

    Alison Willmore: Maybe I’m loopy from having spent an unplanned night in the Charles de Gaulle Holiday Inn Express on my way home, but it’s hard for me to tell what’s normal anymore. 2023 was the strike, but before that was the pandemic, which makes it years of business as not-usual, and at this point I feel like the real question is what the standard is going to look like going forward. There certainly wasn’t a shortage of starry U.S. productions, though I think it says less about the strike than the state of the industry in general that the big studio contributions were sequels — Tim Burton’s Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (which I liked!) and Todd Phillips’ Joker: Folie à Deux (which I did not).

    Meanwhile, the feature that actively sets out to be a Great American Movie of the old school, Brady Corbet’s The Brutalist, is set in Pennsylvania and New York but shot in Hungary and Italy, and a lot of the other American movies also had an international tilt. Queer (directed by the Italian Luca Guadagnino) is about American expats in Mexico City and South America, while Maria (directed by the Chilean Pablo Larraín) is about the Greek-American opera star Maria Callas living out her last days in Paris. Babygirl and The Room Next Door, both set in New York, are the work of Dutch filmmaker Halina Reijn and Spanish legend Pedro Almodóvar. I don’t know what to make of this, so I’ll turn the question to you: Is this a sign of greater porousness in American filmmaking, or a sign of how washed our homegrown scene is at the moment that we need to look abroad for ambitious visions?

    Jones: I have a hard time condemning the lack of bold visions in American cinema at a festival that featured The Brutalist, which — whatever else you want to say about it — is undoubtedly ambitious: a three-and-a-half-hour movie about a Hungarian Holocaust survivor trying to put his stamp on the New World. Despite the silent T in his last name, Brady Corbet is as American as golf courses and shopping malls (each of which are prevalent in his hometown of Scottsdale, AZ). That he had to go abroad to make this film is less a condemnation of American filmmaking, and more of American financing. The Brutalist was funded by eight separate production companies, and you’d probably have to be an accounting savant to untangle the European film-board benefits that made it possible. The oft-rapturous reviews that greeted its premiere were, I think, a reflection of the fact that its mere existence felt like a minor miracle.

    Still, Corbet was one of only two American directors in competition this year. (The other was Phillips LOL.) Stateside filmmakers were better represented in the wider festival. Besides Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, the out-of-competition lineup saw Jon Watts’s Wolfs, Harmony Korine’s Baby Invasion, and Kevin Costner’s Horizon: An American Saga – Chapter 2, while Alex Ross Perry’s Pavements played in a sidebar. That feels like a fitting snapshot of where the industry’s at right now, for good and for ill: You’ve got a legacy-quel that’s going to make zillions of dollars; a big starry project that a streamer has insanely decided not to give a wide-release to; a self-funded auteur epic; and a winky metafictional music doc — plus whatever the hell Baby Invasion is.

    But your remark about the international bent of films like Queer and Babygirl reminded me of a late-night conversation I had with some fellow journalists who were complaining that our own directors were too online to make great films. Too self-conscious about pissing off their followers, their film’s politics often felt pre-digested. That, to me, was the fun of a film like Babygirl: Reijn was willing to follow her own strange muse wherever it took her, angry commenters be damned. What do you make of this?

    Willmore: I can definitely see that argument, though, funnily, I thought Reijn’s previous film, the horror comedy Bodies Bodies Bodies, suffered from not being online enough. But, related to that, one of the things that’s compelling about Babygirl and The Room Next Door, which is Almodóvar first feature in English, is that they both feel off-kilter — set in versions of the U.S. that are clearly being conjured up by someone outside of it. The warehouse automation company presented by Reijn in Babygirl feels more like a low-grade corporate fever dream than an attempt at a realistic place, and its ideas about American workplace culture and sexual mores are all openly drawn from the ‘90s erotic thrillers that Reijn set out to subvert. Meanwhile, The Room Next Door layers Almodóvar’s exquisitely dressed and decorated style over a New York setting in a way that reminded me of Sex and the City in that the writer characters live in fabulous places they shouldn’t be able to afford. But it’s also a film about grappling with mortality that takes an abrupt turn toward the legal issues surrounding assisted suicide toward the end — an odd final development that, again, felt born out of an outside viewpoint on puritanical American morality.

    I’d like to hope, in general, that we’re relinquishing the surface-level, Twitter-applause-line style of politics that has plagued American pop culture for years now. God knows, Korine’s Baby Invasion wasn’t beholden to anything except his own nihilistic vision (and a mystifying continuing attachment to feature length runtimes). His latest venture into post-cinema is a first-person shooter inspired expedition around a Florida that’s simultaneously the center and the ends of the earth — whether you love it or hate it, you could never say that it’s playing safe. And in its own way, I’d say the same for Familiar Touch, Sarah Friendland’s lovely little drama about a woman with dementia that’s proof there’s hope for American independent filmmaking even when it’s not about being a Great Artist (though, coincidentally, H. Jon Benjamin shows up in a supporting role playing, like Adrien Brody, an architect). What I loved about Familiar Touch is that it feels genuinely guided by its main character, who’s as prickly as she is personable, and it never condescends to her by trying to fit her journey into a neat message.

    But that’s enough high-falutin’ talk for now. Let’s get to the crass American conversation we’ve been waiting on, which is to say: Nate, which of these folks is ending up in the Oscar race?

    Jones: I thought you’d never ask! Unlike Cannes, which takes pleasure in holding Hollywood at arm’s length, Venice embraces its status as the kickoff to unofficial awards season. However all the fall festivals are at a weird moment, Oscar-wise. Not since Nomadland in 2020 has the eventual Best Picture winner bowed at Venice, Telluride, or Toronto. That season comes with a considerable asterisk, of course. If you write it off, Venice hasn’t premiered the Best Picture winner since 2017, when The Shape of Water took the Golden Lion ahead of its triumphant campaign of monster-fucking.

    I don’t know if we saw any future Best Picture winners at the Lido this year. The closest was probably The Brutalist. There’s a world where it gets nominated for Picture, Director, and Actor; there’s another where it doesn’t even come out in 2024. (Plus, the year after Oppenheimer, will voters really reward another three-hour mid-century epic, with a fraction of the commercial prospects?)

    If I had to plant a flag for a nomination that’s definitely going to happen, it’s Angelina Jolie for Maria. Both of Larrain’s previous off-kilter biopics, 2016’s Jackie and 2021’s Spencer, earned Best Actress noms for their stars, and this one too has a thrilling interplay between the legend of La Callas and Jolie’s own imperious star image. You were not alone in finding Maria underwhelming, but all the reasons critics disliked it — the unbroken hauteur of Jolie’s performance, the film’s stately refusal to go Full Camp — only makes me think Oscar voters will fall hard for it. Plus, Maria just got bought by Netflix, who have never been shy about throwing money around in awards season. (They got Ana de Armas a nom for Blonde, for goodness’ sake.) Jolie feels like a lock, and might even be the early frontrunner.

    I’m a little less confident in predicting nods for Queer’s Daniel Craig and Babygirl’s Nicole Kidman, both of whom are repping sexually explicit dramas that fall further outside the Oscar sweet spot. (Both films will be released by A24.) But each turn in surprisingly vulnerable performances worthy of consideration: Craig for molding himself into a lonely, lovelorn loser, Kidman for her raw portrayal of female desire. Forget the film’s copious sex scenes; given her history of tabloid scrutiny, the scene where she’s seen getting Botox injections may be Babygirl’s most naked reveal.

    When it comes to awards that won’t happen, I’m skeptical Joker: Folie a Deux will be able to follow in the footsteps of its predecessor, which earned double-digit noms and a Best Actor trophy for Joaquin Phoenix. Not only was the sequel savaged by critics, its star now comes into the season dogged by the mystery of why he abandoned the new Todd Haynes project shortly before production — a question Phoenix dodged at the film’s official press conference. Plus, Lady Gaga, who everyone agrees is the best part of the movie, is in it less than you’d expect. This time, the only music Joker will be dancing to is a sad trombone.


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  • Tim Burton Is Great Again

    Tim Burton Is Great Again

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    The long-in-coming sequel isn’t just a nostalgic retread — it’s a reminder of what makes the director great.
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    Midway through Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, Delia Deetz (Catherine O’Hara) demands to know “where’s the obnoxious little goth girl who tormented me all those years ago?” The flamboyant conceptual artist is talking to her stepdaughter, Lydia (Winona Ryder), who’s grown from the morose teenager of Beetlejuice (1988) into the middle-aged star of a hokey ghost-hunting reality show. But you get the feeling that this is a question director Tim Burton could just as well be posing to himself. The original film was born out of the hectic creative heyday Burton had in the ’80s and ’90s, before he got mired in moribund Disney remakes and bewildering adaptations starring (an otherwise great) Eva Green. Like his character Lydia, who describes what she’s done as selling out, Burton passed from a youthful infatuation with darkness into more grown-up concerns, among them whichever one made 2019’s Dumbo seem like a good idea. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is in some ways itself a product of those concerns, both as a 36-years-later sequel and as a story about how Lydia has since stepped into the position of the distracted parent who’s unable to connect with their own moody child. And yet somehow there’s nothing cynical about it. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is, instead, a return to form that finds Burton and much of the previous cast getting weird, gross, and, yes, goth in both an idyllic New England town and a gleefully bureaucratic afterlife.

    In the first Beetlejuice, monied New Yorkers were just as much the antagonists as the fast-talking ghoulie of the title (sort of — he’s technically “Betelgeuse” in that film). The Deetz family first arrive in Winter River, Connecticut, full of condescension, resentment, and some regrettable approaches to remodeling, and it feels entirely in character that by Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, they appear to have partially or entirely returned to the city. Lydia, who’s kept the distinct spiky bangs while graduating to more Elvira-esque dresses, plays “psychic mediator” in front of a live studio audience while her producer and boyfriend, Rory (an oily Justin Theroux), hovers nearby. Her daughter, Astrid (Jenna Ortega, made for this), is ensconced in a boarding school where she heads up a doomer-y climate club. Delia has become a Manhattan art star, if her gallery-wide show, “The Human Canvas,” is any indication. The death of her husband, Charles, is both the inciting incident and a handy way of dealing with the fact that the actor who originally played the man, Jeffrey Jones, is now a convicted sex offender — he gets his head bitten off by a shark and spends the rest of the film as a walking torso. Charles’s funeral provides an excuse for the three women to return to Winter River, where, in the course of cleaning out the house, they come back into contact with a certain foul-mouthed spirit who’s still holding a candle for Lydia, the one who got away.

    Running through Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is the fitting theme of shaking off malaise, whether that comes in the form of lingering grief (Astrid’s father, played by Santiago Cabrera, died not long after he and Lydia split), romantic inertia (Rory hides his manipulations behind therapyspeak), or supernatural hauntings. While Michael Keaton slips zestfully back into the role of Beetlejuice like he never left, and the always reliable O’Hara is spookily unchanged, Ryder plays Lydia, poignantly, as a brittle adult who’s stuck dressing in the style she affected a few decades ago, as though she’d gotten interrupted before she could fully finish growing up. When she begs Rory for one of her pills to get through the day, it’s a moment that’s just on the edge of being a little too real, but the movie otherwise wears its emotional allegories lightly. Lydia may have some unfinished trauma from the past that she has to exorcize, but she also has actual ghosts to contend with. When Astrid, a devout nonbeliever, meets a dreamy neighborhood boy named Jeremy (Arthur Conti), she learns that her mother isn’t delusional about all the visions she claims to have after all, and soon the characters have to enlist the help of a fiend whose name they never wanted to speak again (much less say three times). In there, also, is a stop-motion sequence, undead hallways at impossible angles, all the cleverly mangled waiting-room corpses imaginable, and the amusing but poetic visual of the Deetz house cloaked in a mourning veil. It’s all rendered in scenes that lean heavily on practical effects (including a demonic baby Beetlejuice that crawls across the ceiling à la the detox scene from Trainspotting).

    If that sounds like an odd, lopsided plot, well, the first Beetlejuice lurched along to its own idiosyncratic calypso rhythms too. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice trades that Caribbean beat in for a disco one that works startlingly well, maybe because it matches the film’s jolting energy. When Monica Bellucci, playing Beetlejuice’s soul-sucking ex Delores, staples the chopped-up chunks of her body back together to the sound of the Bee Gees, it’s a gruesomely jubilant sequence. And when the film arrives at a lip-synced version of “MacArthur Park,” there’s genuine joy to the way the musical number is staged. So many recent revisitations of old properties play like corporate attempts to reanimate the dead — literally, in the case of movies like Ghostbusters: Afterlife and Alien: Romulus. But Beetlejuice Beetlejuice manages to avoid the feeling that its only obligation is to dutifully run through everything familiar one more time. Instead, watching it is a small but significant relief, like reconnecting with an estranged friend and finding out that you still get along after all — and for more reasons than just shared history, back when you were both obnoxious little goth girls.

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  • They Finally Made The Crow for Goth Incompetents

    They Finally Made The Crow for Goth Incompetents

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    Bill Skarsgård and FKA Twigs star in the tragic love story between a Soundcloud scarecrow and a rebellious cheerleader.
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    I can’t say for sure that the doomed lovers in the new The Crow were modeled after Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox. But once it occurred to me, the comparison became impossible to shake, because the only better way to sum up the film’s sweaty approach to contemporize its story is the fact that its villain is trying to avoid being canceled. Its hero, Eric Draven, as played by Bill Skarsgård, has the silhouette of a Soundcloud scarecrow, crowned with a Bushwick mullet and inked with tattoos — including a cursive “Lullaby” over an eyebrow — that scream “poor decision-making” as much as they do “emotional rebellion.” Meanwhile, Shelly (FKA Twigs) is pitched as a princess with a dark streak, all elf locks, slip dresses, and sheer layers, a girl who was raised in wealth and trained as a pianist but turned to partying thanks to toxic parenting. The Eric of James O’Barr’s 1989 comic was modeled after Iggy Pop and Bauhaus’s Peter Murphy. An emo-rap update feels right for a movie adamantly branded as not a remake or reboot but a reimagining of the original source material.

    The Crow isn’t untouchable — it’s spawned way too many sequels, not to mention a short-lived TV show, for that. But O’Barr’s work and Alex Proyas’s 1994 film adaptation were accompanied by real tragedies — the death of O’Barr’s fiancée in an accident involving a drunk driver and the death of star Brandon Lee in an on-set accident — that gave added ballast to their tormented depictions of a grief-stricken man rising from the grave to seek closure in violent retribution. This new Crow, messily directed by Ghost in the Shell’s Rupert Sanders, with a screenplay by Zach Baylin and William Schneider, feels so lightweight in comparison that it’s almost endearing. Its two beautiful dummies meet in rehab, where they endure the indignity of being made to wear pink sweatsuits and fall in love during group-therapy exercises. Eric imagines Shelly topless in the sketches he pins to his wall, while Shelly is irresistibly drawn to the way Eric sits by himself, declaring him “quite brilliantly broken.” Skarsgård and Twigs have a total absence of chemistry, and while she’s adequate in what’s still basically a dead-wife role, he’s shockingly inert for someone with a career built almost entirely on characters at the intersection of creepy and hottie.

    The film may insist that Eric and Shelly’s is a grand romance of soul mates, but what it actually gives us is a burnout-detention boyfriend/rebellious-cheerleader girlfriend dynamic that doesn’t feel like it would last a long weekend. Fittingly, when Eric rises from the grave after he and Shelly are murdered by henchmen on the orders of evil bigwig Vincent Roeg (Danny Huston), he proves pretty inept at undead vengeance. It’s not just that he’s not much of a fighter — that doesn’t matter when your body regenerates thanks to powers granted by a mystical crow from the afterlife. He’s also exasperatingly slow to accept what’s happened to him, he untangles the bad business Shelly was involved in only really by accident, and he doesn’t even put on a trench coat until the final act. The way that Eric fumbles his way toward retribution is right on the verge of funny — at one point, he gets run over by a truck — but The Crow can’t bring itself to display a sense of humor. Instead, it makes up for its hero’s initial bumbling by raising its gore quotient later on.

    It’s a lot to ask, following in the footsteps of a subculture mainstay. If there were any sense of intentionality behind this new Crow, I’d say it’s trying to provide representation for the Incompetent Goths out there — the IncompeGoths who get an illegible stick-and-poke on their cheekbone, who are indifferent to how goofy their single dangly earring looks, and who keep getting sent back to mystical purgatory to be lectured by a supernatural mentor that IMDb assures me has a name, Kronos (Sami Bouajila). But this film isn’t coherent enough for that. Its baddie, Vincent, is an immortal arts patron of sorts who made a deal with the devil but spends the movie trying to track down a cell-phone video he’s worried will get him in trouble. It takes place in an apparently American city where almost every resident has a different international accent. Shelly is desperately on the run from a man with enormous power, reach, and demonic connections, and the first thing she and Eric do when they escape from rehab is go back to her luxury apartment, with its chubby furniture, and get trashed together.

    Look, deep thoughts and deeply held emotions aren’t for everyone, and there’s something blissfully empty-headed about the scene in which Shelly, posing with a book at an Instagram-ready picnic with some random friends, informs Eric that she’s reading Rimbaud. If only The Crow were a little more self-aware, it could be a cult classic in its own right — though probably not the kind its makers were hoping for.


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  • See How We’re Breaking This Down? Very Demure.

    See How We’re Breaking This Down? Very Demure.

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    Oh, word? TikTok is expanding its vocabulary again. On August 2, TikToker Jools Lebron, @joolieannie, posted a video pointing out her minimal makeup and laid wig, reflecting, “See how I come to work? Very demure.” Less than two weeks later, she’s now made dozens of viral TikToks about being demure — with the most-watched one sitting mindfully at 10.7 million views. The word has now entered the app’s vernacular; you might say that taking away Jordan Chiles’s bronze medal is not very demure, for example. Look in a dictionary — demure is defined as “reserved, modest,” and perhaps a “little coy.” Lebron’s guidelines, however, are a bit more flexible. According to her account, there are a lot of ways to be “mindful,” “cutesy,” “sweetsy,” “considerate,” or any of the other adjectives she uses to describe this mind-set. It’s demure for Lebron to have her “chichis out” at work, but it’s also demure for her to wear a high-cut top. A demure diva chooses to get a salad after clocking out for the day — even though Lebron is showing off a multicourse meal, it’s a salad if she says it is — and even if it isn’t, look how demure and mindful she is to bring home leftovers.

    This mind-set doesn’t only apply to work, ladies. So far, Lebron has given tongue-in-cheek reminders about how to behave on planes and in gay bars, and figured out how to fit everything from midnight snacks to conflicting perfume tips into her not-like-other-girls mind-set. “We need a demure rule book that gets more convoluted and inconsistent as you add rules for us!!” one commenter suggested. “YOU GET IT,” Lebron replied.

    These videos are not meant to be serious critiques. Instead, Lebron is often joking about her own behavior; she says she’s shown up to work in a green-glitter cut-crease makeup look — not exactly demure — and a recent video where she declares that she doesn’t drink or party is accompanied by footage of her slurring “very demure” to herself while looking for her hotel room after a night out in Las Vegas. Maybe it’s time for everyone who embraced being a little messy and dumb in the spirit of Brat summer to remind themselves how demure they can be? Charli XCX is already down for the next trend of the season, commenting “very cutesy!!!” on Lebron’s demure version of the “Apple” dance.

    As this trend continues to take off, Lebron made a point in an August 13 video to credit the “many demura divas” who have “paved the way” for her, including trans sisters like artist and content creator Selyna Brillare, kudasai selfie-stick queen Devin Halbal, and ballroom icon Venus Xtravaganza. “Demure is just a way of life for the girls, for the dolls like me,” Lebron said, adding, “Who’s the original demure? Well, all of us. Being demure is thanking the people who have come before you while you pave the path for the people who will come after you.” Behold, the fruits of DemureTok.

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  • It’s Tough to Hand Off the Mickey Ears

    It’s Tough to Hand Off the Mickey Ears

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    While eight men have taken turns guiding The Walt Disney Company over the course of its roughly 100 years of existence, arguably only three have managed to make a real and lasting impact: current CEO Bob Iger, Michael Eisner, and of course, the icon for whom the company is named, Walt Disney himself. All three ruled the Magic Kingdom for at least two decades, oversaw creative and commercial renaissances at the company, and to varying degrees became celebrities in their own right. And yet for all their positive attributes, Disney, Eisner, and Iger had one other thing in common: They were really bad at figuring out who would succeed them as CEO.

    We saw this play out recently with Iger, who had to return as CEO of the company barely a year after formally departing it because his own handpicked successor turned out to be a disaster. But Disney’s succession curse actually stretches back to the mid-1960s, when Walt’s untimely death left Disney wandering the cultural wilderness for decades. And while Eisner’s handoff to Iger in 2005 turned out brilliantly for the company, it came only after many years of dawdling and delays and only after a very public shareholder revolt forced Eisner’s hand.

    So why have Disney’s best CEOs done such a lousy job with such a critical task? “Being the head of Disney is a very strong drug and it’s very hard to let go,” as The Hollywood Reporter’s Kim Masters tells us in the episode. “Leaving Disney — it’s a big deal. It’s a very identity-defining thing.” In the fifth episode of Land of the Giants: The Disney Dilemma, hosted by Vulture TV reporter and Buffering columnist Joe Adalian, we explore why it is that Disney’s most successful leaders have done such a bad job making sure the company would be able to survive — and thrive — without them.

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  • Casey McQuiston Is Trojan-Horsing Trans Romance

    Casey McQuiston Is Trojan-Horsing Trans Romance

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    In their home office with their dog, Pepper.
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    I can tell you who I’m writing for, and I can tell you who I’m keeping in mind,” romance novelist Casey McQuiston says. We are one cocktail in at the Scarlet Lounge, an Upper West Side bar co-owned by the actor Michael Imperioli. “I am writing for trans people — capital-F For,” McQuiston says. “Trans people, queer people, those are a lot of the people who engage with my work in ways that make me feel like they got it.” But McQuiston, blockbuster queer-romance author of The Pairing (out in August), is always aware of the broad audience of American romance readers. There’s the old-school image of the straight white midwestern wife tucking a mass-market paperback into her purse, and there’s the more probable reader of today, someone who might pick up The Pairing at a Target with no idea that its leads are queer. “You’re gonna be 60 percent of the way in before you know that’s what you’re reading, and I have now Trojan-horsed you into reading a trans romance,” they say. “I’m really interested in those people, too. I think they have often been underestimated. And I think they should peg their husbands.”

    Red, White & Royal Blue, which came out in 2019 and was McQuiston’s first novel, is a publishing fairy tale. A love story about Alex, the politically driven son of the first woman U.S. president, and Henry, a reserved British prince, the book is maximalist and swoony, leaning unabashedly into joyful sentimentality. The line “History, huh?,” which Alex first mentions in a letter he writes to Henry about a possible gay romance between Alexander Hamilton and a Revolutionary War hero, becomes a rallying cry for supporters of Alex and Henry in the book as well as in real life, where the quote is a popular catchphrase on RW&RB–inspired merchandise and emblematic of the kind of Obama-era earnestness the novel evokes. With little publicity, the book became so popular that it quickly required multiple printings. By the end of 2019, there were 100,000 copies in circulation.

    McQuiston has published two more novels since then: One Last Stop, a sapphic mass-transit time-traveling romance, and I Kissed Shara Wheeler, a more personal YA novel about growing up queer in a southern conservative Christian community. Their ability to move among genres while retaining an unmistakable core identity in their work has been crucial to their success. “It would be impossible for me to overstate how important Casey is to the development of queer romance and traditional publishing,” says Leah Koch, co-owner of the romance bookstore the Ripped Bodice. Isabel Kaufman, a literary agent and a friend of McQuiston’s, agrees. Their fans are devoted, “which means they can bring their readers with them wherever they go,” Kaufman says. Amazon Studios released an adaptation of Red, White & Royal Blue in 2023 starring Nicholas Galitzine and Taylor Zakhar Perez, and the film did so well (including an Emmy nomination) that McQuiston is currently working on the screenplay for a sequel. Their newest novel, The Pairing, is all the things McQuiston is best known for — a book about queerness and found families and self-knowledge, full of humor and the intense awareness of how hot a blunt jawline can be.

    But there’s also a noticeable shift in the questions and ideas that animate The Pairing compared with those that define Red, White & Royal Blue. Published when queer romance was still vanishingly rare at the major publishing houses, RW&RB hinges on the story of Henry and Alex coming out of the closet, insisting that their polished, high-profile public personae can include their queerness. RW&RB is full of tenderness and careful first steps. The Pairing is hotter, for one thing — more bodily, more sensory. The book follows two bisexual exes named Theo and Kit who reunite on a food-and-wine tour of Europe as they eat and drink and lust their way across the Continent; it is not a coming-out book or a story about the public celebration of queer identity. Kit is a cisgender man, and in a recent Instagram post McQuiston describes Theo as having “an abundance of gender.” But those qualities are part of who Kit and Theo are, not a driving plot mechanism. Instead, amid its joyful gluttony, the book focuses on misunderstanding, on all the ways that visibility is not the end of the story and how being seen is not the same as being understood, an idea that keeps driving Theo and Kit apart even as they embark on increasingly horny European escapades.

    Despite McQuiston’s enormous success, being misunderstood is still a source of anxiety for them. Some of it is just who they are: They love lists and diagrams, they love fully committing to a bit, they need to know exactly what each of their characters is carrying in their bags and what songs are on their playlists. Some of it has to do with gender and sexuality. “I knew that I was queer by the time that I was 20,” they say, “but the gender thing was more of a Saturn-return situation.” They have been publicly out as nonbinary since 2021, but The Pairing is their first adult book to be published since then, and because the film adaptation of RW&RB was released during the writers’ and actors’ strikes, they haven’t done much publicity in those years. “It’s been two years since I’ve been out in the world promoting my work,” they say, “and I feel like I’ve gotten spoiled in this little bubble. Most of the time, I’m engaging with people who know me and understand me and gender me correctly. I forget that sometimes I have to go back out into the wider world.”

    McQuiston, 33, grew up in Louisiana, where their high-school experience was much like the one in I Kissed Shara Wheeler. They attended a private Southern Baptist high school, though McQuiston’s family was Catholic; their parents chose it for the small class size and academic rigor, not specifically for the Christianity. “I don’t think they knew the extent of what it was like,” McQuiston says. “Its packaging is ‘Christ-centered education,’ but they’re not going to lead with, like, ‘We’re going to have chapel services where we tell all your children that they’re going to hell if they’re gay.’” As restrictive as the school was, McQuiston says it made them resourceful. “It made me a better writer because I felt so weird and alone and wrong and mismatched in this place,” they say. “I was looking to create my own little book and live there.”

    They read everything from Harry Potter to The Picture of Dorian Gray to TV recaps, but they imagined a future as a YA writer in the vein of John Green or maybe someone with more of a fantasy bent. They attended Louisiana State University, where they studied journalism in an attempt to be practical. They had been thinking about moving to L.A. after graduation, maybe writing criticism or pursuing journalism full time, but after their father died, they decided to stay closer to home, working for a local newspaper and writing romance in the off-hours, a side project they started
    toying with when the fantasy books they had earlier considered writing didn’t materialize. “As soon as I figured out what genre I was supposed to be writing in, all these blocks I ran into every other time I’d tried to write a book just came down. It was like, Oh, I was always supposed to be a romance writer,” they say.

    They began writing RW&RB in 2016, inspired by the election and the 2015 romance novel The Royal We. When RW&RB sold in March 2018, they used their advance to move to Colorado, where several of their friends had landed. They stayed there for two years, living in Fort Collins, renting a house with college buddies, and working odd jobs. Once the book started taking off, they moved to New York just before the pandemic began and have been there ever since. They now live in Queens with their partner, who works in publicity at a publishing firm. They’re planning to get engaged — they even have rings they’ve both designed and made and plans for how to propose — but have not had the time: “I know what I’m doing, he knows what he’s doing, but it’s like, work is really busy right now, man!”

    McQuiston has been crafting two projects at once over the past several months. One of them is the movie sequel to RW&RB, which they’re co-writing with playwright Matthew López, who directed and co-wrote the screenplay for the first film. At test screenings, he says, they were getting comments about how the film was a little corny. “When it came to those ‘cheesy’ comments, I was like, You know what? I’m going to view that as a good thing. It’s going to operate in this realm, just the way the book does.

    Writing the sequel’s screenplay has presented interesting challenges, especially because there’s no book to work from. “It’s a mind-fuck!” McQuiston says. “We have things that were left out of the movie, and there’s a little bonus chapter I wrote for the collector’s edition. Other than that, we’re making it up as we go. But I’m also considering it as a different canon. Changes that were made in adapting ripple out into character and story.” Book Alex decides to go to law school, but the movie characters are older, at different inflection points in their lives. What does that mean about what they want now and what they care about?

    The other project occupying McQuiston’s mind is the one that will become their next book. It’ll be a spinoff of The Pairing, though they can’t yet say which character will play the central role. Shortly after our time together, McQuiston and their sister depart for a research trip to the Basque Country, where some portion of the next novel will be set.

    They love this part of the writing process. Travel and the time and space to research were not available to them earlier in their career. On a day trip to San Sebastian, they realized the beach was full of people swimming in various states of nudity and decided to go for it. “I swam out to my shoulders and rolled my swimsuit down and was like, Here I am,” they say. They had top surgery in November and had never swum with their shirt off before. “I had this moment of floating in the ocean, in this bay, looking at this castle and these mountains in this city full of amazing food and all these different kinds of bodies and people.” They’re so happy to be at this place of freedom with their work. “It is exactly what I want to be putting out as an artist right now.”

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  • Hysterical Stares Into the Abyss

    Hysterical Stares Into the Abyss

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    In the fall of 2011, a high-school girl in Le Roy started to display motor tics initially resembling Tourette’s syndrome. Her face twitched. Her arms flailed. She experienced difficulties with speech and became prone to verbal outbursts. But then a second girl at the school began to display the same behavior. After the second, another. Two makes for a curiosity; three a concern. By the time the tally metastasized past a dozen girls, it looked like a contagion. “As the weather grew colder in Le Roy that fall, the symptoms continued to come to life,” narrates Dan Taberski in Hysterical, an audio docuseries that revisits the medical mystery more than a decade later. “An irregular heartbeat finding rhythm.”

    Competing theories emerged. Some unaffected students suspected that their peers were faking the malady for attention. Later, the specter of environmental pollution came into play, a natural hypothesis for the industrial town about an hour from Niagara Falls, where the Love Canal disaster, in which toxic-chemical dumping was discovered in the late 1970s to have harmed residents over decades, still looms large. In the case of these girls, state authorities, the media, and large swathes of the community coalesced on a more striking explanation: “conversion disorder,” or the condition in which a person exhibits physiological responses to emotional trauma or extreme stress. In other words, the girls were deemed to be suffering from mass hysteria. The mystery was the stuff of media frenzies, perfect fodder for cable news and daytime shows as it played out.

    Taberski, a son of Western New York, grew up not far from Le Roy. He says that he spent a lot of his life there “wearing giant winter coats with giant knit hats with giant pom-poms on top.” Balancing a strong adoration for his old stomping grounds with a sense of moral clarity, the seven-part Hysterical, which he makes with longtime collaborator Henry Molofsky and a team of producers, sees him mounting an interrogation of the “mass hysteria” diagnosis with an explicit intent to keep the girls’ experience front and center.

    In this, the series carries some spiritual connection to The Retrievals, the Serial Productions–New York Times audio project from last year that grappled with the failure of key American systems to seriously consider women’s pain. When Taberski asks Emily, who was in eighth grade when she contracted symptoms, whether she experienced any undisclosed trauma at the time, the response feels deflating. “Not anything that would’ve made it into something like this,” she says. “Typical eighth-grade trauma.” Taberski is a preternaturally empathetic documentarian, approaching the story with care where it’s dearly needed and skepticism where it’s sorely deserved. He’s also a seasoned hand who knows the culture of the medium he works in — sadly, podcasting is increasingly home to salacious Investigation Discovery–style storytelling — and so he follows Emily’s response by cutting off any Galaxy Brain suggestions. “There’s no subtext here, by the way, no suggestion that anyone is hiding something or in denial about what’s really going on,” he cuts in over narration. “For a lot of the girls and the parents in Le Roy, it just didn’t feel true.”

    Taberski also cuts off any indication that Hysterical will drive toward a clear answer to the mystery. He chases down many of the case’s hypotheses and oddities, but the human brain remains a black box of mysteries through the end. This does not mean that Hysterical does not arrive at an outcome. The natural human desire to scramble for meaning, even if the explanation harms individuals, emerges as the real subject. Late in the series, we learn about how a student who actually suffered from Tourette’s was treated by the school and the community as a kind of scapegoat for the outbreak. “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and you are the few,” she recounts being told, an absolutely horrible thing for a high-school child to hear. But as easy as it might have been for Hysterical to paint the scene in simple terms of persecutors and the persecuted, Taberski practices a remarkable empathy for where the broader community was coming from. Everyone just wants their own child to be safe, even if they ultimately have to turn on each other; therein lies the tragedy.

    Taberski is one of the finest audio documentarians working today, yet he still seems underappreciated. Part of this likely has to do with the waning power of narrative audio, which has become displaced in recent years by aggressively corporate celebrity–centric chat podcasts. But even during the so-called golden age of narrative podcasting (2014 to 2022-ish), his work was never fêted as widely and as often as, say, This American Life and its widening diaspora of producers. This could be owed to the nature of his breakout hit, 2017’s Missing Richard Simmons, an impish jaunt that sought to track down the titular reclusive fitness star (who died earlier this summer) while doubling as an adoring biography that drew pearl-clutching condemnation from the Times, which called it “morally suspect” for what it deemed to be excessively invasive tactics. I never quite shared that assessment. In any case, Taberski has gone on to produce a body of work that’s as striking for its humanism as its formalistic diversity. Among his projects: Running From COPS, an extended critique of the copaganda reality show; The Line, a vigorous investigation into a war crime in Iraq; and 9/12, an essayistic series taking stock of the manifold experiences processing the long tail of the September 11 attacks.

    What happened to the girls in Le Roy is ripe territory for narrative podcasting — far enough in the past to sort through the mess undisturbed, close enough to the present to feel urgent, and inconclusive enough to beg for more investigation. Conversion disorder is a tricky and fundamentally gendered diagnosis. When social media was inevitably fingered as a suspected disease vector, the situation firmly resembled a case of ancient prejudices against young girls being adapted to fit contemporary freak-outs.

    All the traits that make Taberski’s work so distinct — a sobriety over the material, a gloriously wry writing voice, a strong knack for compassionate interviewing — are very much present in the series. But Hysterical sees Taberski taking a step further into philosophical territory with a greater, quiet willingness to sit with the abyss. This series explores our constant failure to deal with uncertainty and how fear of the unknown often turns us into monsters. To be hysterical is to be human, and this is a truth that’s both depressing to live with and liberating to learn.

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  • Westeros Twins Ranked by Real Twins the Lucas Brothers

    Westeros Twins Ranked by Real Twins the Lucas Brothers

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    We are identical twins who love the Game of Thrones saga. Incidentally, quite a few sets of twin characters can be found in GoT and its prequel series, House of the Dragon. Twins make up roughly 3 percent of the world’s population, but in Westeros, every house seems to have multiple sets (there’s a whole big category for them in the fandom Wiki). Maybe George R.R. Martin secretly wants to be a twin? Totally understandable — he could get twice the amount of work done, finally finishing A Song of Ice and Fire. Which brings us to the matter at hand: ranking all the twins of Westeros. Somebody had to do it, and as experts on all things twins-related, we can offer a unique dual perspective and unparalleled insight into the complex dynamics of such siblings. In essence, all those fistfights in our childhood over who’s the older twin are now coming in handy — a birth-order distinction that would have actually mattered if we were, say, in line to inherit Casterly Rock.

    Twin experts Keith and Kenny Lucas.
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    In determining our ranking, we considered the significance and impact of each set of twins in the context of the greater events in their respective series. Specifically, we’re looking at each pair’s proximity to the battle for power in the Seven Kingdoms — what role, if any, have they played in their respective houses’ quest for the Iron Throne? (Note: For our purposes, we’re looking only at the TV shows, not the novels.) Moreover, we’ve also factored in the twins’ identicalness, or state of being identical. We think it was Hegel who said, “In identical twins, we witness the dialectical struggle of individuality against unity. They are at once the same and distinct, a living paradox that embodies the very essence of the Absolute Spirit’s journey toward self-realization.” We made that up, but it sounds like some shit he’d say. So without further ado, here are the results of our thorough analysis:

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    As much as it pains us, we have to rank these two last. They just haven’t done much in the series up to this point. They continually pop up next to characters who actually do move the plot forward (like their cousin and stepmom, Queen Rhaenyra), but we’d like to learn more about their own ambitions and desires. It would be nice to see them do something duplicitous and vile; if that were to happen, they might move up in our ranking. They aren’t identical and aren’t even played by twins, which is a cardinal sin in our book. Twins should be played by twins. That said, we don’t count fraternal twins as real twins. They’re just two singletons born on the same day. Singleton is a slur we use for single-birth individuals. We were going to go with onesie, but that felt too cute.

    All this is probably moot anyway — while they’re twins in Fire & Blood, it seems Baela may actually be older (not just minutes older) in the TV series. Twin erasure.

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    What’s worse than two non-twin actors playing fraternal twins? One non-twin actor playing identical twins. It feels like twinface. You can’t be a Lannister, be somewhat irrelevant to the story, and be disrespectful to twins all at once. It’s unfortunate that twins don’t have a group fighting on behalf of all twins in the media like the TWINAACP — the Twin Association for the Advancement of Cloned People. (Puns are making a comeback, it seems — see OV-HO.)

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    Though not played by actual twins, at least these characters are quite relevant to House of the Dragon thus far. Not only are they the toddler children of Aegon II Targaryen and his sister-wife, Helaena Targaryen, but one of them was beheaded, which is such a brutal way to die. Very grateful the show spared us a visualization of the beheading. Thanks, George. Ultimately, Jaehaerys’s death pushes Aegon II to fully commit to war with his half-sister, Rhaenyra Targaryen. Jaehaerys’s death also ensures the Targaryen twins will never grow up to commit incest — something the Targaryens have perfected over time.

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    Speaking of incest, where would we be without Cersei and Jaime? If it weren’t for Bran discovering them having sex in the very first episode of GoT, the events in the original series couldn’t have happened. Are we thrilled by the stereotype of twins committing incest being pushed to a mass audience? Of course not. But we can’t deny how pivotal these two are to the story with each of them being fully a realized character. Plus, Lena Headey does such a remarkable job playing Cersei. She alone deserves this high ranking. We don’t think we’ve ever hated and loved a character more than we have Cersei. She was masterful — and ruthless — at playing the game. The scene where she blows up the Great Sept with wildfire while sipping wine is Godfather-esque. But it’s a pity these two weren’t played by actual fraternal twins. Otherwise, they would have finished at No. 1. The incest doesn’t help their ranking either.

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    Home of the despicable House Frey, the Twins is also the location of the infamous Red Wedding. While we hated the Freys, we must admit the Red Wedding is one of the greatest scenes in television history. The Twins’ towers are also the most identical entity on our list. Well, aside from …

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    This brings us to our top twins: the Cargyll brothers. Since they are played by identical twins (Luke and Elliott Tittensor), they immediately claim the No. 1 position. The showrunners could have cast a single non-twin actor for both roles, but we suspect they opted for actual twins once they realized how much more expensive and complicated their epic fight scene would be otherwise. But beyond their casting, the Cargylls play a key role in House of the Dragon, in which Arryk sides with King Aegon II Targaryen, while his twin, Erryk, sides with Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen. Their story epitomizes the brutal nature of civil wars in which brothers turn against each other even if it means defending the incestuous members of one particular house. Unlike the typical portrayal of twins as strange (which we admittedly are at times), the Cargylls are depicted as badass knights of the Kingsguard. Their battle in “Rhaenyra the Cruel” is iconic, marking perhaps the first time we have genuinely been confused about who’s who in a “good twin, evil twin” fight scene. We will miss the Cargyll twins, but we appreciate what they’ve done for identical-twin representation in the media. They are our Jackie Robinson, shattering the double glass ceiling for all twins.

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    For the Emmys’ weirdest categories, The Bear and SNL are destined to dominate in comedy while drama is anyone’s guess.
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    They’re far from the most prestigious categories on the Emmy ballot. They don’t even get presented on the main Emmys telecast. But year in and year out, the Guest Actor and Guest Actress categories present some of the most wide-open and fascinating races, where Oscar darlings like Lily Gladstone compete against other Oscar darlings like Olivia Colman. Some of these actors are taking on meaty, episode-shifting roles, and others are just playing bizarro versions of themselves in a cheeky cameo. They might be the guest of the week in a crime procedural, or one of several A-list cameos brought in to make a prestige drama feel even more prestigious, or an SNL host. It’s bedlam!

    To qualify for the Guest categories, a performer needs to have been in fewer than half of the season’s episodes. That’s really the only hurdle, so it often leads to regular cast members who were simply only in a handful of episodes getting nominated — think Samira Wiley and Alexis Bledel for The Handmaid’s Tale or Joan Cusack on Shameless. This year, the Guest Actor categories are playing a major role in the campaign of one of this year’s biggest shows — that’d be The Bear. It’s a narrative that strikes at the heart of one of the rare criticisms that came the show’s way last year, and has only been exacerbated with the just-released third season.

    The Bear’s more-is-more approach to guest stars in season two led some of the more cynical observers to suggest that the show was baiting the hook for Emmy voters, a tried-and-true strategy that’s worked for shows from Succession (Guest Actor nods for the likes of Alexander Skarsgård, Adrien Brody, and James Cromwell) to 30 Rock (Matt Damon, Jon Hamm, Steve Martin, Steve Buscemi) to Glee (Gwyneth Paltrow, Kristin Chenoweth, Neil Patrick Harris). Hell, you don’t even need to be that cynical to look at the way The Bear hauled out Jamie Lee Curtis, Bob Odenkirk, John Mulaney, Sarah Paulson, and Gillian Jacobs to join Jon Bernthal (season one’s guest-star gambit) to take part in the overstuffed, nerve-jangling “Fishes” episode.

    This isn’t to disparage The Bear’s guest stars. Odenkirk and Mulaney were quite good in “Fishes” and Will Poulter and Olivia Colman were phenomenal elsewhere in the season. But anybody who bristled at The Bear over-salting the sauce with guest stars last year couldn’t have been happy with season three doubling down with pro wrestlers, half the buzzy chefs in Chicago, and more ultra-intense Jamie Lee Curtis. Nomination voting closed before season three dropped, so such gripes won’t be reflected in this year’s nominees. As we mentioned here a few weeks ago, there is a very real chance that The Bear gets nearly everybody they submitted for a nomination onto the final ballot. At the very least, Bernthal, Mulaney, and Odenkirk should land Guest Actor (with Poulter waiting in the wings), while Curtis, Colman, and perhaps Paulson get into Guest Actress.

    The Bear’s biggest competition in these categories comes from Saturday Night Live, a show all too accustomed to flooding the ballot with starry guest hosts. In the last five years, SNL has amassed 20 nominations and four wins in Guest Actor and Guest Actress in a comedy, for Eddie Murphy (2020), Dave Chappelle (2021), and Maya Rudolph back to back (2020-2021). This year, the show placed every single host from season 49 on the nomination ballot. That means Emmy voters could easily spam their ballots with SNL options … or the competition for votes could dilute the show’s totals. Among this year’s hosts, Ryan Gosling stands out strongest on the Guest Actor side, with his Beavis & Butthead sketch going aggressively viral. I’d also give a boost to Adam Driver, since he was a nominee for hosting in 2020, and Pete Davidson, since returning former cast members (Murphy, Adam Sandler, Bill Hader, and John Mulaney) tend to do well in this category. This is also why Rudolph, Kate McKinnon, and Kristen Wiig have good odds to show up in Guest Actress (especially Wiig for the Jumanji sketch). Voters could also drift toward Emma Stone and Ayo Edebiri, who are expected to be nominated elsewhere on the ballot (for The Curse and The Bear, respectively).

    The predicted dominance of The Bear and Saturday Night Live in Comedy’s Guest categories puts pretty much anybody else in the realm of wishful thinking, but some wishes are more likely to come true than others. That’s because this category is where the oft-Emmy-nominated come to pad their gaudy stats. (Of Cloris Leachman’s record-holding 22 acting nominations, ten came from Guest Actress; eight of Michael J. Fox’s 18 career noms have been as a Guest; and all eight of Nathan Lane’s career Emmy nods have been Guest.) This year, Tina Fey is sitting on seven (could get her eighth for Only Murders in the Building) while Maya Rudolph has six (could be seven if she’s nominated for SNL).

    This year, Ted Danson could get his 19th career nomination for his guest appearance on Curb Your Enthusiasm, though it would be his first ever for Curb, where he’s played a fictional version of himself since the show’s first season. Curb could also land Allison Janney her 16th nomination — and a chance to tie Leachman and Julia Louis-Dreyfus with a record eighth win. Comedy legend Mel Brooks could pick up a 15th career nomination for his brief appearance on Only Murders in the Building, John Goodman his 12th for Monarch: Legacy of Monsters, and Candice Bergen her tenth for her return to the Sex and the City universe in And Just Like That A Guest Actor nomination for Sam Waterston for Law & Order would not only be the ninth in his career, but it would also mark the swan song of his L&O character, Jack McCoy.

    I’d also expect twice-nominated J. Smith-Cameron to get a nod for playing Deborah Vance’s sister on Hacks — speaking of which, with Hannah Einbinder the front-runner to win Supporting Actress in a Comedy, she might as well get a guest nod for playing a White House social secretary on Julia. Abbott Elementary is still expected to get major nominations this year, so it wouldn’t be a huge shock if the show’s big stunt cameo sidles in. That would be, in case you forgot, Bradley Cooper, playing himself in the episode that aired after the Oscars.

    Then there are the longer shots: Will Ferrell and Andy Samberg committing to the bit as withered old courtside-seat holders Lou Adler and Jimmy Goldstein on John Mulaney Presents: Everybody’s in L.A. Since Richard Kind doesn’t qualify as a guest for that show, let’s give him a nod for playing himself in Girls5Eva. The list of Reservation Dogs hopefuls in the Guest categories is long, even with Ethan Hawke not submitting himself: Lily Gladstone and Wes Studi would seem to stand the best chance, but Graham Greene, Zahn McClarnon, and Kaniehtiio Horn all make for deserving nominees. Finally, there’s the matter of one Peri Gilpin, who put in 11 seasons on the original run of Frasier and was the only main cast member to never receive an Emmy nomination. Now a guest star on the rebooted series, here’s a chance for voters to right a historical wrong.

    All this fuss about the Comedy categories ironically leaves very little drama for the drama categories. The top-contending shows did not submit very many people for Guest Actor/Actress consideration. Shōgun only offered up Nestor Carbonell playing a Portuguese sailor in Guest Actor and Yûko Miyamoto as shrewd madam Gin in Guest Actress. The Crown only submitted Claire Foy as flashback Queen Elizabeth, while Slow Horses is banking on Jonathan Pryce as Cartwright’s grandfather. The Morning Show submitted a returning Marcia Gay Harden (just one small scene, but were we ever grateful for it) and Natalie Morales, who played a whistleblowing tech worker and longtime friend to Greta Lee’s Stella. She’s probably not that likely to get nominated, and that’s a shame, as she’s been a near-constant presence on TV for more than 15 years in everything from The Middleman and White Collar to guest turns on Parks and Recreation, Girls, and The Newsroom, yet she’s somehow never received an Emmy nom.

    The freshman dramas that did flood the ballot with Emmy nominees stand farther on the fringes of the major-category races, making their overall chances pretty dicey. Mr. & Mrs. Smith submitted ten guest performers, including Sarah Paulson, Wagner Moura, Michaela Coel, John Turturro, Sharon Horgan, and Parker Posey, though the most intriguing might be Paul Dano as “Hot Neighbor.” Meanwhile, Elsbeth, in classic procedural fashion, featured new guests every week, submitting 12 names for its ten-episode first season, including Emmy faves Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Jane Krakowski, and Linda Lavin.

    Because the Drama races are so open, there’s more room for those wishful-thinking long shots. Michael Emerson, an Emmy winner from his Lost days and a former Guest Actor in a Drama winner for The Practice, would make for a super deserving nominee for his turn as Dr. Siggi Wilzig in Fallout. Glenn Close may be famously bereft of an Oscar, but she’s a three-time Emmy winner and 14-time nominee, so don’t count out her performance in The New Look.

    Ultimately, the Guest Actor categories will offer two very different conversations this year. Comedy is going to be all about how well The Bear performs, with its Guest nods playing into that show’s arc of dominance over this year’s ballot. In the Drama categories, because so few shows can dominate, the reactions will likely focus on smaller stories. Maybe it’ll be the long-awaited recognition for deserving actors like Carbonell and Morales; maybe it’ll be good showings for middle-tier shows like Elsbeth and Mr. & Mrs. Smith. Maybe it’ll be both! Unlike in Comedy, that narrative will encompass more than just one or two shows.

    Personally, the pair of prospective nominees to which I’m most partial might on the surface look like a deeply random pair of cameos of people playing themselves. But Rachel Ray and Vincent Pastore are so committed to that almost-too-real talk-show scene in the season finale of The Curse that I think they both deserve Emmys. Make it happen!

    It’s a long shot, but Bruce Springsteen does appear on the ballot for his performance as himself on the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where he catches COVID from Larry. A surprise nomination for Springsteen would not only be awesome on principle, but would give the Boss his career non-competitive EGOT: He’s got an Oscar for “Streets of Philadelphia,” a bunch of Grammys, and a special non-competitive Tony for Springsteen on Broadway from 2018.

    Meanwhile, a fun fact: Of the list of people who are one element away from a competitive EGOT (a.k.a. the real EGOT), there are only eight people for whom an Emmy would complete the list. It is by far the shortest of the four lists (40 people still need that Oscar). Of those eight people, six are dead, and two are Pasek and Paul, who, as we mentioned last week, could seal the deal with a win for their “Pickwick Triplets” song from Only Murders in the Building.

    It’s a long shot, but Bruce Springsteen does appear on the ballot for his performance as himself on the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where he catches COVID from Larry. A surprise nomination for Springsteen would not only be awesome on principle, but would give the Boss his career non-competitive EGOT: He’s got an Oscar for “Streets of Philadelphia,” a bunch of Grammys, and a special non-competitive Tony for Springsteen on Broadway from 2018.

    Meanwhile, a fun fact: Of the list of people who are one element away from a competitive EGOT (a.k.a. the real EGOT), there are only eight people for whom an Emmy would complete the list. It is by far the shortest of the four lists (40 people still need that Oscar). Of those eight people, six are dead, and two are Pasek and Paul, who, as we mentioned last week, could seal the deal with a win for their “Pickwick Triplets” song from Only Murders in the Building.


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