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Where the Republican presidential candidates stand on Israel and Ukraine funding
Funding for Israel and Ukraine — particularly for Ukraine — has become a contentious topic for Republicans and one that Republican presidential candidates are frequently being asked to address during the primary campaign.
Congress is still struggling to pass aid packages for Israel and Ukraine, and this week, the White House budget director warned that without new funding, aid for Ukraine will be depleted before the end of the year.
Republican voters have become increasingly skeptical of Ukraine aid, CBS News polling shows, although support for providing military aid to Israel is much stronger than it is for Ukraine. A CBS News/YouGov poll earlier this month showed 65% of Republicans support sending weapons and military aid to Israel, but only 45% of Republicans think the U.S. should send weapons and military aid to Ukraine.
Here’s where the 2024 Republican field stand on these questions.
Chris Christie
Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is one of the fiercest proponents of robust funding for both Israel and Ukraine, and he hasn’t held back in criticizing his Republican opponents over their approaches to these crises.
He says he would have supported packaging aid to Ukraine and Israel together, which most Democrats also support.
The former New Jersey governor also traveled to Ukraine in August, becoming the second presidential candidate to do so. Former Vice President Mike Pence, who has since dropped out of the race, was the first GOP candidate to make the trip in June.
Both Christie and Nikki Haley are more in the conservative mainstream on foreign policy, favoring the use of U.S. resources to support and promote democracy abroad. During the third Republican debate in Miami in November, Christie said funding Ukraine is “the price we pay for being the leaders of the free world.”
The former New Jersey governor also calls for funding Israel in its efforts to defeat Hamas. He was the first Republican candidate to visit Israel after Hamas launched its brutal and deadly assault on Oct. 7, and chided other Republican candidates for not visiting immediately, too. In Israel, Christie met with families of the hostages and survivors of Hamas’ assault. Christie has said providing support to Gaza should be a “very, very low priority,” compared to assisting the Israelis.
Ron DeSantis
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis shares some of Donald Trump’s “America first” isolationist impulses and has been among the Republicans most skeptical of providing funding for Ukraine. Several Republicans blasted DeSantis earlier this year for calling Russia’s war on Ukraine a “territorial dispute,” a comment he quickly walked back.
But DeSantis has said Ukraine aid is not “vital” to U.S. national interests, and argues that the U.S. has more important problems closer to home to address.
“We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border and our weapons arsenals critical for our own security are rapidly being depleted,” DeSantis wrote in March, when media personality Tucker Carlson requested candidates offer their views on the war in Ukraine.
DeSantis continues to be skeptical of U.S. funding for Ukraine, although he has not suggested the U.S. should stop supporting Ukraine altogether. Lately, DeSantis has avoided giving a specific answer on how he’d approach Ukraine funding.
In the September Republican debate, DeSantis said it’s “in our interest to end this war,” and said that’s what he would do as president.
But he strongly supports funding for Israel in its battle against Hamas. Last month, DeSantis said he’d arranged to send military equipment to Israel in his capacity as governor, and his office confirmed that Florida has sent cargo planes filled with drones, body armor and medical supplies to Israel.
Vivek Ramaswamy
Entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy is as close to an absolute isolationist as there is in the GOP field. He not only criticizes the idea of sending aid to Ukraine, but also made a shocking and unfounded comment during the third GOP debate that seemed to suggest he thinks Ukrainian Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is Jewish, is a “Nazi.”
He said, referring to Ukraine, “It has celebrated a Nazi in its ranks. A comedian in cargo pants. The man called Zelenskyy.” (According to the New York Times, a spokesperson for Ramaswamy said his words had been misconstrued, and he had not called Zelenskyy a Nazi.)
He also appeared to adopt Russian President Vladimir Putin’s thinking in suggesting that regions of Ukraine illegally annexed by Russia are not part of Ukraine.
“The regions of Ukraine that are occupied by Russia right now in the Donbas: Luhansk and Donetsk. These are Russian-speaking regions that have not even been part of Ukraine since 2014,” Ramaswamy said during the Nov. 8 debate.
And unlike his Republican opponents, Ramaswamy doesn’t support funding for Israel in its fight against Hamas, a rare position for a Republican — or any national U.S. politician.
Ramaswamy thinks the U.S. should provide “no money” for Israel, but rather, diplomatic help, a “diplomatic Iron Dome.”
“In my ideal view of this, Israel should be able to make the decisions of how it defends itself and its national self-existence,” Ramaswamy said in an interview with Axios in October. “And we provide a diplomatic Iron Dome for Israel to be able to carry that out. And that’s it. No money.”
Ramaswamy has said any aid the U.S. provides Israel should be dependent on Israel’s plans to defeat Hamas, and told The Hill that destroying Hamas is “not on its own a viable or coherent strategy.”
Nikki Haley
Nikki Haley, who has extensive foreign policy experience as the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations during the Trump administration, unequivocally supports providing substantial aid to both Israel and Ukraine.
Like Christie, she argues that Ukraine’s sovereignty and security is critical to U.S. security. Haley often says that victory for Russia would mean China, a close ally of Russia, wins, too. Haley says that President Biden should give Ukraine whatever it’s requesting. And she railed against the lack of Ukraine aid in Congress’ latest spending bill.
The former South Carolina governor has often clashed and feuded with Ramaswamy on Ukraine funding, and the two are diametrically opposed on foreign policy matters. Pointing at Ramaswamy during the last debate, she said Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin are “salivating at the thought that someone like you could become president.”
Haley has not suggested that support to either Ukraine or Israel should be conditional.
Donald Trump
Because former President Donald Trump has declined to participate in any of the Republican debates, opponents haven’t been able to challenge Trump on his positions on Ukraine or Israel. And he doesn’t routinely participate in interviews with news organizations that ask critical questions.
Trump has said little about funding for Israel, and was initially critical of Israel’s response to Hamas and of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu. He called Hezbollah “smart,” but has since expressed more consistent support for Israel. The former president has suggested this war may not be short.
“So you have a war that’s going on, and you’re probably going to have to let this play out,” Trump told Univision in a recent interview. “You’re probably going to have to let it play out because a lot of people are dying.”
This differs from his view of the war in Ukraine. Trump has repeatedly claimed he would end the war there in short order. In an interview in May with Nigel Farage, a former U.K. politician who now hosts a show on GB News, Trump said that if he were president, he would “end that war in one day,” but he didn’t say how he’d do it.
“It’ll take 24 hours. I will get that ended. It would be easy,” Trump told Farage. “That deal would be easy. A lot of it has to do with the money.” He has even said he could broker a deal before taking office, if he’s reelected. The former president has said similar things at rallies.
The former president, who was initially impeached for withholding funding for Ukraine, has been critical of the country and its president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy. During his presidency, Trump asked Zelenskyy to investigate President Biden’s efforts in 2016 to oust a Ukrainian prosecutor widely seen by the West as corrupt.
Over the summer, Trump called for a pause on all U.S. aid to Ukraine until federal agencies provided “every scrap” of evidence they had on any business dealings from President Biden and Hunter Biden.
Trump has said Zelenskyy can’t “manage” the war with Russia, and Zelenskyy has urged Trump to share his peace plans, if he’s so confident he can attain peace as a president-elect.
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Some GOP Show Love To Marijuana
Traditionally, the GOP has been the nemesis of expanded marijuana legalization. Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has been proud of preventing national movement. They party also has been quick to blame cannabis use for everything including mass shooting and the fentanyl crisis. But over the last couple of years, a few Republican champions have emerged and it is a bit startling.
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The cannabis industry held its breathe with the election of the Biden/Harris ticket. Vice President Harris had been a foe and there was fear about what would happen when they entered office. The reality is nothing happened. Despite Biden’s promise of helping, it took 3 years for him to consider cannabis rescheduling. He has refused to nudge Congress to support federal legalization and Harris has remains out of site.
Photo by FatCamera/Getty Images In a surprise to most, Rep. James Comer (R-KY), the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, came out in support of the taxation and regulation of recreational cannabis. DC is overseen by Congress and has been begging for statehood for generations. Currently, they still have the federal elected overseeing how parts of the city are run. In 2014, Nearly two-thirds of D.C. voters favored legalizing recreational marijuana for in a 2014 ballot initiative. In the District, the possession of up to 2 ounces of marijuana is decriminalized for residents 21 years or older for recreational or medical use, according to the district’s marijuana laws. Comer is very open to following the voter wishes.
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Also, Rep. Dave Joyce (R-OH) reintroduced the Strengthening the Tenth Amendment Through Entrusting States (STATES) 2.0 Act, signaling a renewed effort to end federal marijuana prohibition in states where it is legal. And it is being driven by Republicans. Co-sponsored by Rep. Lori Chavez-DeRemer (R-OR), Brian Mast (R-FL), Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) and Troy Carter (D-LA), it goes beyond decriminalizing state cannabis programs by proposing a federal tax-and-regulate framework for the cannabis industry.
You also have Rep Nancy Mace (R-SC) has lead efforts for SAFE Banking and more and has worked across the aisle to support the cannabis industry.
While this is a good sign, it doesn’t mean it has full throttle support from the GOP. Ohio is a a hot mess as Republicans feel voters were confused when 70% voted and passed recreational marijuana, they are now working to gut it. They can learn from Governor Ron DeSantis (R-FL) who told Florida voters who doesn’t care 70% voted for cannabis, he knows better.
There is a saying about politics make strange bedfellows, I guess marijuana makes odd cannabis buddies.
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DeSantis names president he’d take inspiration from — and it’s not one you’d expect
At the end of the fourth Republican debate, the four candidates were asked to name a president that would serve as an inspiration for their administration.
A potpourri of some of America’s most popular presidents were listed.
Chris Christie picked Ronald Reagan, whom he called “a slave to the truth.” Nikki Haley, unable to choose one, named George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. And Vivek Ramaswamy chose Thomas Jefferson — author of the Declaration of Independence and inventor of the swivel chair — for his “founding spirit.”
But when it was Ron DeSantis’ turn, he named a president who often goes overlooked.
“One of the guys I’ll take inspiration from is Calvin Coolidge,” DeSantis said to scattered applause.
“Now people don’t talk about him a lot,” DeSantis, who studied history at Yale University, said. “He’s one of the few presidents that got almost everything right.”
“Silent Cal” understood the federal government’s role, DeSantis added. “The country was in great shape when he was president of the United States. And we can learn an awful lot from Calvin Coolidge.”
Who was Calvin Coolidge?
Coolidge, America’s 30th president, was born in Vermont in 1872. The son of a shopkeeper, he climbed the political ladder to become the governor of Massachusetts.
He was elected vice president in 1920 alongside Republican President Warren Harding, who died unexpectedly in August 1923.
Coolidge, who was in Vermont at the time, had his father administer the oath of office early in the morning on Aug. 3 “by the light of a kerosene lamp,” according to the White House.
Throughout his presidency, he was “distinguished for character more than for heroic achievement,” Democrat Alfred Smith wrote.
A proponent of small government, Coolidge called on Congress to cut taxes and to avoid foreign entanglements.
During his six years in office, he balanced the budget every year. He notably detested constant government activity, once saying, “Don’t hurry to legislate,” according to his presidential foundation.
His “political genius,” according to reporter Walter Lippmann, was his penchant for “effectively doing nothing.”
“This active inactivity suits the mood and certain of the needs of the country admirably,” Lippmann wrote, according to the White House. “It suits all the business interests which want to be let alone … And it suits all those who have become convinced that government in this country has become dangerously complicated and top-heavy.”
Still, he signed into law several major pieces of legislation, including the Indian Citizenship Act in 1924, which granted American citizenship to all Native Americans.
Coolidge left office in 1929, the year the Great Depression began ravaging the American economy and eroding his reputation, according to David Greenberg, a history professor at Rutgers University.
“Many linked the nation’s economic collapse to Coolidge’s policy decisions,” Greenberg wrote. “His failure to aid the depressed agricultural sector seems shortsighted, as nearly five thousand rural banks in the Midwest and South shut their doors in bankruptcy while many thousands of farmers lost their lands.”
Before he died in 1933, Coolidge told a friend, “I feel I no longer fit in with these times,” according to the White House.
In a 2021 ranking by historians, Coolidge placed 24th out of 44 presidents.
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Ron DeSantis Still Can’t Defend His Record On Health Care
You might think that two months would be enough time for Gov. Ron DeSantis to think up an answer to an obvious, direct and highly relevant question about his record on health care in Florida.
Near the end of Wednesday night’s Republican presidential debate ― held in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and broadcast on NewsNation ― moderator Elizabeth Vargas pointed out that “Florida has more uninsured people than almost any other state.”
Given that record, Vargas said, why should voters trust DeSantis on health care?
The question was nearly identical to one DeSantis fielded at the Republican debate in late September, when Fox News host Stuart Varney cited the same figures and asked, “Can Americans trust you on this?”
The question was important because Florida really does have more uninsured residents than almost any other state. And the single biggest reason is that it’s among a handful of Republican-run, mostly southern states that have refused to use funding from the Affordable Care Act ― aka “Obamacare” ― to expand Medicaid.
DeSantis is among the Florida Republicans who have opposed expansion.
But instead of defending that position and, more generally, his record on health care, DeSantis in September gave a short monologue about inflation and the rising price of consumer goods, followed by a bland, vague statement: “We have big pharma, big insurance, and big government and we need to tackle that and have more power for the people and the doctor-patient relationship.”
If anything, the question about health care has become even more important since then, because a full-scale repeal of Obamacare is suddenly part of the political conversation again.
In late November, former president and current GOP front-runner Donald Trump vowed ― as he did so many times during his first campaign and then his presidency ― to replace Obamacare with something better. DeSantis went on to make a similar promise.
“Obamacare hasn’t worked,” DeSantis said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “We are going to replace and supersede with a better plan.”
DeSantis admitted that, like Trump, he doesn’t actually have a plan yet. He said he would introduce one, “probably” in the spring. Republicans have been making ― and not fulfilling ― such promises since Obamacare first became law.
Maybe DeSantis will surprise everybody by actually producing a detailed plan that really offers a better alternative to the Affordable Care Act ― although, to be clear, he’d first have to surprise everybody by getting enough votes to remain a viable presidential candidate past the first few contests.
For now, voters trying to judge whether he can deliver on health care will have to rely on what he’s done in the past, which means looking closely at his record in Florida ― the one Vargas was asking about. And on Wednesday, as in September, DeSantis didn’t have much to say.
After acknowledging that Florida hadn’t expanded Medicaid, he implied that was the right decision because the states that had approved and implemented expansion were “struggling financially.”
He didn’t try to back up the claim and he probably couldn’t: Most states are running surpluses these days, and greater spending on Medicaid, most of which the feds pick up anyway, can mean lower spending on other programs.
More important, DeSantis never explained how blocking Medicaid would help people get health care when, by all accounts, no expansion means more people without insurance ― in other words, exactly the problem Vargas (like Varney before her) was highlighting.
DeSantis did follow up that statement with another set of platitudes, including a promise “to hold the pharmaceuticals accountable.”
It was yet another example of Republican leaders not having concrete ideas on health care ― although in this case, it was a particularly relevant one because there’s somebody running in 2024 who actually has taken action to rein in the drug industry.
That somebody is President Joe Biden, who worked with Democrats to enact a series of initiatives designed to bring down the price of prescription drugs.
Among the reforms are a cap on insulin prices for Medicare beneficiaries that the private sector has since extended to non-elderly Americans with private insurance, as well as penalties on drugmakers who raise prices faster than inflation. And then there’s a provision under which the federal government will, for the first time, negotiate the price of some high-cost drugs in Medicare.
These are all incremental steps and, like the Affordable Care Act, they will not instantly make health care more affordable for the millions who struggle with medical bills today. But they will help.
If Republicans want to prove they can do more, they’ll have to defend their records and offer concrete alternatives for the future ― two tasks that, at least for DeSantis, seem to be an ongoing challenge.
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What Republicans said about the southern border during debate
During the fourth Republican Party debate on Wednesday night, the candidates present in Alabama were asked how they would address “the crisis on the southern border.”
National polls show immigration and migrants entering the United States illegally as among the top issues in the country. Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie wasn’t able to answer the question when it was posed by the moderators, but Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, ex-South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley and tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy discussed the topic at length.
DeSantis spoke passionately about going after those who bring fentanyl into the country.
“The drug cartels are invading our country and they are killing our citizens,” DeSantis said.
GOP presidential candidates former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, left, and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, right, on Wednesday participate in the Republican primary debate in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. The candidates were asked what they would do about the “crisis at the southern border.”
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The Florida lawmaker went on about the dangers of fentanyl in the U.S., relating a story about the drug’s residue being on the floor of an Airbnb rental, which he said resulted in the death of a baby.
“Is this acceptable in this country? I know the elites in D.C., they don’t care. They don’t care that fentanyl is ravaging your community. They don’t care that illegal aliens are ravaging our community and overwhelming our community,” DeSantis said. “The commander-in-chief not only has a right, you have a responsibility to fight back against these people. And it means you’re going to categorize them as foreign terrorist organizations.”
He then advocated for continuing construction of a wall along the southern border.
“Here’s the thing: If we had a wall across the southern border, which I support, this would not have happened. We need to build a wall across the southern border. I’ll get it done,” DeSantis told the audience, as he parroted Trump’s promise from years ago by saying that he’d make Mexico pay for it.
Before Haley discussed the issue, she was asked about comments she made regarding catching and deporting illegal migrants. Haley clarified that she would at first deport “all of the seven or eight million illegals that have come [into the U.S.] under [President Joe] Biden’s watch.”
“We have to stop the incentive of what’s bringing them over here in the first place,” she added, noting temporary protective status given to Venezuelans.
Haley said migrants who have been in the country longer should be examined if they’ve been “vetted” and “paid taxes.”
Regarding illegal drugs, she called for “special operations” to deal with cartels. Haley also said China should be punished for producing fentanyl.
“Look at where fentanyl came from. Let’s go to the heart of the matter. It came from China. That’s why we need to end all normal trade relations with China until they stop murdering Americans with fentanyl,” she said. “I promise you they need our economy. They will immediately stop that.”
Ramaswamy said, “The easy part is talking about how we’re going to use our military to secure the border. I will, and I believe that everybody else wants to do the same thing.”
He also supported action against China but said the “harder part” is addressing the “mental health epidemic raging across this country like wildfire” rather than hitting the “the demand side of it.”
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Which four Republicans will be on stage for the fourth presidential debate?
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Just four Republicans will be on stage Wednesday for the fourth Republican presidential debate at the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa, the Republican National Committee announced Monday evening.
Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Former Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley, businessman Vivek Ramaswamy are the four who met the qualifications, the smallest field yet to take the stage during the GOP primary campaign.
The threshold set by the RNC was the highest set so far, demanding candidates reach at least 6% support in two national polls or 6% in one national poll as well as two polls from four of the early-voting states — Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. The RNC approved the polls that would qualify candidates. And candidates also needed a minimum of 80,000 unique donors, with at least 200 from 20 states or territories.
And participants also had to sign a pledge promising to support the party’s eventual nominee.
Here’s where the candidates stand:
Ron DeSantis’ campaign and the super PAC supporting him have made substantial investments in Iowa, but he has faced some setbacks. In the hours after DeSantis wrapped up his tour of all 99 counties in Iowa on Saturday, news broke of further shakeups at the super PAC supporting him, “Never Back Down.”
Kristin Davison, who was named to be the PAC’s CEO shortly after Chris Jankowski left the job in late November, was fired Saturday. Communications director Erin Perrine and operations director Matt Palmisano were also let go that evening, according to sources familiar with the moves. Politico, Semafor and the Associated Press were first to report on the three moves.
Despite his efforts, DeSantis continues to trail front runner and former President Donald Trump by double digits, and former Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley has been closing in on DeSantis with strong performances in previous debates and a shift toward foreign policy that plays to her strength in that area.
Ramaswamy, the youngest candidate in the field and a political neophyte, has had fiery debate-night clashes with Haley, and there could be more Wednesday night. During the last debate, Haley called the entrepreneur “scum” after he invoked Haley’s daughter during a critique of TikTok.
The 2024 race’s most vocal critic of Trump, Christie has cast himself as the only Republican willing to take him on directly. Without Trump at the debates, Christie has been left without his intended target but has brought him up nonetheless.
In September, Christie looked directly into the camera and declared that if Trump keeps skipping debates, he would deserve a new nickname: “Donald Duck.”
On CBS News’ “Face the Nation” with moderator Margaret Brennan Sunday, Christie dismissed polls that show Trump far ahead of the field, despite the lawsuits and indictments in which he’s embroiled.
“Let’s remember something, in this — in the Republican primary in ’07, do you know who was winning at this time in ’07? Mitt Romney,” he told Brennan. “You know who was winning at this time in ’11? Newt Gingrich. And winning this time and ’15 was Ben Carson. I don’t remember any of those presidencies, Margaret. So, you know, my view, we can’t worry about that kind of stuff.”
Still, Trump is skipping his fourth straight debate. Instead of going to Alabama he’s holding a closed-door campaign fundraiser in Florida.
He has said he’s forgoing the primary debates because he does not want to elevate his lower-polling opponents by being onstage with them. He and his campaign have also called on the RNC to cancel the remainder of the debates and instead focus on backing him against President Joe Biden.
Though Sen. Tim Scott participated in the third debate, he dropped his presidential bid soon afterward, saying that voters “have been really clear that they’re telling me, ‘Not now, Tim.’”
On Monday, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum — who didn’t qualify for the third debate and wasn’t on track for the fourth — suspended his campaign, condemning “the RNC’s clubhouse debate requirements” that he argued “are nationalizing the primary process.”
He suggested recently that if he had known about the RNC’s debate thresholds before announcing his campaign, he might not have run for president.
“The amount of resources to run a national effort is very different than the resources to run in state,” Burgum said last week on a New Hampshire radio show. “And also, you’ve got a limited amount of time, as well,” noting he only entered the race in June.
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Ron DeSantis Does Not Seem to Be Enjoying Himself
On Saturday afternoon, with just over six weeks to go until the Iowa caucuses, Ron DeSantis told a story about how he once bravely stood up to the Special Olympics.
He was speaking atop a small platform in a partitioned-off section of a former roller rink in Newton, Iowa, dubbed “the Thunderdome.” The anecdote, like so many, had something to do with the tyranny of vaccine mandates. DeSantis said he had met a family at the Iowa State Fair, and that one of their children had wanted to participate in the Special Olympics, but wasn’t vaccinated. As it happened, the games were being held in Florida, where DeSantis serves as governor. “Well, we don’t have discrimination in Florida on that,” he said, meaning vaccination status. “So we were able to tell the Special Olympics, you let all the athletes compete!” People hooted.
This narrative followed a familiar arc: The Florida governor had confronted something he didn’t like, and, after a brief crusade, emerged victorious. DeSantis plays the part of a fearless maverick pursuing justice—even if that means picking a fight with a well-respected nonprofit. All year long on the campaign trail, self-awareness has seemed to elude him. “What you don’t want to do is repel people for no reason,” DeSantis told the room a little later.
Saturday’s speech marked the culmination of DeSantis’s 99-county tour of Iowa. The event may have been intended as a moment of triumph, but the crowd on this cold, dreary afternoon was, at approximately 400 attendees, not at capacity. Outside the venue, you could buy buttons that said RON ’24 HE’S KIND OF A BIG DEAL! with an illustration of DeSantis mashed up with Anchorman’s Ron Burgundy. Other merchandise leaned harder into DeSantis’s culture-warrior reputation: SOCIALISM SUCKS, ANNOY A LIBERAL WORK HARD BE HAPPY, CRITICAL RACE THEORY with a no-smoking slash through it, and DESANTISLAND with the Disney D.
Is this angle working? Despite his GOP fame and high-profile endorsements, his polling average is trending in the wrong direction. He has more or less staked his candidacy on winning Iowa. But now he’s almost tied with former U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley in the polls there, and elsewhere, for distant second place to former President Donald Trump. He may soon slip to third. His super PAC, Never Back Down, just fired its CEO, Kristin Davison, after nine days on the job. (She had taken over for the previous CEO, who had resigned around Thanksgiving, along with the group’s chair.) I asked Never Back Down what potential voters should make of all these changes. The group’s spokesperson sent a statement: “Never Back Down has the most organized, advanced caucus operation of anyone in the 2024 primary field, and we look forward to continuing that great work to help elect Gov. DeSantis the next President of the United States.”
One of Saturday’s warm-up speakers, Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds, attempted to humanize DeSantis for her constituents. She gestured to the importance of DeSantis achieving the “full Grassley”—a nod to Iowa’s senior senator, Chuck Grassley, who visits all of the state’s 99 counties every year to meet voters. (DeSantis’s team temporarily rebranded the milestone as a “Full DeSantis,” with placards peppering the venue.) “Listen, Iowans want the opportunity to look you in the eye; they want the opportunity to size that candidate up just a little bit,” Reynolds told the room. “It’s also really important for the candidates—I’ve said it really helps them kind of do the retail politics.” She spoke of DeSantis and his wife taking in all of the state’s offerings over the past year—Albert the Bull, Casey’s breakfast pizza. “And I’m going to tell ya, I think they’re having some fun!” Reynolds said unconvincingly.
DeSantis did not appear to be fully enjoying himself in Newton. More than a few people have noted that his wife, Casey, is the more natural politician, and could herself be a stronger future candidate. As she introduced her husband on Saturday, he stood a few feet behind her, staring intensely into the back of her head. She was confident and effortless at the mic; Ron didn’t seem to know what to do with his eyes, or his mouth, or, especially, his hands. Clasp them loosely below his belly button? Put them on either side of his waist like Superman? He looked unsettled as he waited for her to finish.
When his turn to speak came, DeSantis began by trying to follow Reynolds’s lead. He recalled his visit to the Field of Dreams baseball field in Dubuque County. (“And our kids were there and everything like that.”) He fumbled the name of a famous bakery and was swiftly corrected by many members of the audience. He offered his affection for other Iowa staples: ice cream, cheese curds. “We brought a whole bunch of cheese curds back to the state of Florida, which was a lot of fun,” DeSantis proclaimed. No means of pandering was off limits. Iowa, he declared “will begin the revival of the United States of America.” He hinted that, as president, he’d even move the Department of Agriculture from Washington, D.C., to Iowa.
Watching DeSantis up close as he lumbers through these moments of his campaign is almost enough to elicit sympathy. One of Saturday’s attendees, Caleb Grossnickle, a 25-year-old cybersecurity analyst from Ames, told me that he found DeSantis endearing. “I mean, he does seem a little awkward at times. But I think, honestly, it just shows that he’s a normal human,” he said. “He’s just a normal guy who’s trying to run for president, trying to make change.” Grossnickle told me that he was also interested in Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is running as an independent.
One of DeSantis’s highest-profile Iowa surrogates, the evangelical leader Bob Vander Plaats, was arguably the most captivating speaker on the bill. “Let me bathe this thing in prayer,” he said. He then launched into an invocation that ended with “Lord, when he does win the Iowa caucuses and when he does go through and win the early states, make people know that this is of you, by you, and for you, Lord.”
Vander Plaats pointed out that voting for DeSantis is not the same as voting “against Trump.” But he also preached the need for a candidate who “fears God,” adding that “the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom.” That noble idea morphed into a jab. “We need somebody to know that they fear God; they don’t believe they are God.”
A 46-year-old attendee from Ottumwa, Iowa, named Jeremy had brought his daughter along to see DeSantis up close. He told me that he’d twice voted for Trump and would vote for him a third time if he gets the nomination, though he admitted he finds him “distasteful.” DeSantis, he added, is his favorite candidate, and “more of a classy person.”
Later in the afternoon, I approached Vander Plaats in the back of the room. I asked him about his line relating to the type of person who believes they are God. Vander Plaats said he was referring to “the left.” I also brought up how DeSantis seemed to lack interpersonal skills, and asked if he thought that was a fair criticism of the man he had endorsed. “I think it’s overhyped,” Vander Plaats said, but he didn’t outright dismiss the notion. “Right now, I think Americans want a real leader to get things done versus, you know, Hey, do I want to sit on the couch with them and watch a football game?”
Yet some people really do love him. In my conversations with attendees, many of them pointed to DeSantis’s follow-through as the core of his appeal. A 55-year-old supporter named Todd Lyons told me that he and his wife had driven four hours west from their home in Normal, Illinois, that morning to be there. They’d never seen DeSantis in the flesh. “He says he’ll do something and he does it,” Lyons said. “As opposed to with Trump, you see a tweet where he’s going to do something and talk about how amazing it’s going to be and then he wouldn’t follow through.” Even if DeSantis doesn’t get the nomination, Lyons told me he planned to write in the governor’s name on the ballot. Anne Wolford, a 74-year-old retiree from Grinnell, Iowa, told me that she had liked South Carolina Senator Tim Scott, but he had just recently dropped out, and now she was interested in DeSantis. “I think we’ve got to have somebody that’s got the gumption to go head-to-head with China, Russia, and North Korea. And I think with his military background, he can maybe achieve that.”
Two nights earlier, DeSantis exhibited his gumption in a TV debate with Governor Gavin Newsom of California. At one point, DeSantis brandished a “poop map” purportedly showing the places in San Francisco where human feces could be found on streets and sidewalks. (Practically the entire image was tinged brown.) In Iowa, DeSantis posited that Newsom was carrying out a shadow campaign for the presidency. “We cannot assume that they are actually gonna run [Joe] Biden,” he said. He seethed at the Democratic establishment. “We are not gonna be gaslit by people who think we’re dumb,” he said a little later.
During his stump speech, he spent a good deal of time talking about the pandemic. He promised that Anthony Fauci, now in retirement, would face a “reckoning” over all things COVID-19. But even the demonized Fauci serves as a symptom of a larger disease, in DeSantis’s worldview. The field of medicine, he warned, has been infected by a “woke ideology,” and Harvard Medical School doctors “basically take, like, a woke Hippocratic oath.” (DeSantis holds degrees from Harvard and Yale.) He also punched down, endorsing the idea of imposing fees on remittances that foreign workers send back to their home countries. He believes these are the ideas that will win him the presidency.
DeSantis attacks Trump more than most of his competitors (with the exception of Chris Christie), but he’s also assumed the role of Trump’s primary target. Nearly every day, the Trump campaign sends out press releases attacking DeSantis, with one recurring item that it calls the “kiss of death.” A sample from Friday mocked his stature: “KISS OF DEATH: Small Expectations, Smaller Candidate.” On Saturday morning, hours before DeSantis’s big achievement of stumping in every county, the Trump campaign sent out a preemptive press release: “Republican candidate for president Ryan Binkley, who is polling at 0%, outperformed Ron DeSantis by becoming the first person to visit all 99 counties in Iowa earlier this month.”
It’s hard to understand what DeSantis’s real plan is, as Trump is still so far ahead in the polls. In an emailed statement, DeSantis’s deputy campaign manager, David Polyansky, said, “The collective firepower of Team DeSantis remains unmatched” and that the campaign “will carry the support of the most robust turnout operation in modern Iowa history into success on January 15.” Even if DeSantis wins the Iowa caucuses or comes in second, though, that doesn’t necessarily predict a victory in the New Hampshire primary. That state’s motto—“Live free or die”—is out of sync with what DeSantis has done in Florida, using the government to impose book bans and a six-week abortion limit. If by some chance Trump were to lose New Hampshire, it would probably be to Haley, not to DeSantis—and such a victory would position Haley for more success in her home state of South Carolina.
In Newton, leaning against the rear wall was a 66-year-old man, in a Kangol-style hat and a University of Iowa pullover, named Vern Schnoebelen. He’s the lead singer and harmonica player of a band that had played the Thunderdome the night before. He told me that he and his friend had snuck into the VIP section, where the bar was, earlier that afternoon. He had come out on Saturday not because he loves DeSantis but simply because he lives nearby and this seemed like a big event. He told me that, come caucus time, if Trump is running away in the polls, he’ll intentionally support the candidate in third or fourth place to encourage them to stay active in the party. “I don’t want them to lose heart,” he said. “We never know what’s going to happen with Trump. Who knows what’s going to come out of the woodwork?”
He told me that he had voted for Trump twice, and would support whoever became the GOP nominee, Trump included. I asked whether anything about Trump’s various indictments bothered him. “No, I think it’s all a fallacy,” he said. “I think most of it’s made up.”
That’s what DeSantis is competing with. He’ll have to try not to lose heart.
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Ron DeSantis Promises Victory in Iowa Despite PAC Turmoil
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis rounded out his tour of each of Iowa’s 99 counties this weekend with a promise that he will emerge victorious in the Hawkeye State’s caucuses come January, despite trailing the current GOP frontrunner by nearly 30 points.
“We’re going to win Iowa,” the Florida governor said during an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that aired Sunday. I think it’s going to help propel us to the nomination.”
Outperforming expectations in Iowa has long been high on the DeSantis campaign’s priorities, especially since he scored an endorsement from the state’s popular governor, Kim Reynolds, who had previously said she would stay out of the race.
The campaign hopes that a victory or close-second outcome would pierce the veil of inevitability that has shrouded the GOP primaries thus far, with former president Donald Trump maintaining a massive polling lead.
But DeSantis’ pronouncement comes as Never Back Down, the political action committee that has played an outsized role in his campaign, has undergone several rounds of staff shake-ups and significant internal turmoil. The latest, reported Saturday evening by Politico, is the firing of CEO Kristin Davidson, who was let go just nine days after the PAC’s previous CEO, Chris Jankowski, resigned following days of infighting. The PAC also fired a spokesperson, Erin Perrine, and another top official. Never Back Down’s chairman, former Nevada Senate candidate Adam Laxalt, announced he was stepping down from the board on Friday.
An internal email sent Saturday night named longtime DeSantis ally Scott Wagner as interim CEO. He’ll also replace Laxalt as chair of the board. Never Back Down spokesperson Jess Szymanski said the group still has “the most organized, advanced caucus operation of anyone in the 2024 primary field.”
The DeSantis campaign has reportedly grown frustrated with the ineffectiveness of Never Back Down’s TV advertising blitz. “The campaign doesn’t think [Never Back Down’s] current interim leadership should be within a mile of a TV budget,” one campaign official close to DeSantis told Politico. The PAC has plowed $16 million into advertising in Iowa alone.
Early last week, DeSantis campaign manager James Uthmeier wrote to donors, urging Never Back Down to focus on field operations in Iowa instead of advertising. Uthmeier also hinted that a newly formed pro-DeSantis PAC, Fight Right, should take over digital advertising. That division of campaign labor has started to take shape already, Politico reported Saturday.
DeSantis’ chief rival was also in Iowa this weekend for a big rally in Cedar Rapids, where he mocked the Florida governor. “We hit him very hard, and he’s been falling out of the air like a very seriously wounded bird,” Trump said of DeSantis.
“Ultimately,” DeSantis said Sunday, “Republican voters are going to have the choice of Donald Trump, which I think would make the election a referendum on him and a lot of the issues that he’s dealing with, or me, and that will be a referendum on Biden’s failures, on all the issues in the country that are affecting people.”
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How ‘Reason’ helps you stay sane during political brainworms season
Money is easily countable and comprehensible, sure, but some of the better byproducts of Reason‘s annual Webathon—in which we ask regular consumers of our editorial content to make an end-o’-year, tax-deductible donation to keep us rockin’ through 2024 and beyond—are the comments submitted alongside the gifts. Like this one:
You guys are the best. Thank you for the work you do for liberty and for being a model of intellectual consistency in a sea of tribalist mental gymnastics.
Emphasis added, because American politics right now is moving into a land of both shadow and substance otherwise known as … (involuntary shuddering) … the 2024 presidential campaign. (Long scream.) Reason is an essential part of your toolkit in surviving the next 12 months with your wits intact.
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Aspiring to a model of intellectual consistency requires subjecting politicians and parties to critiques rooted in both fact and philosophy. Part of avoiding tribalist mental gymnastics is declining to join a tribe. Libertarianism is inherently skeptical of the accumulation and exercise of state power, and so Reason submits every politician and government official, including the libertarian-adjacent, to healthy levels of skepticism, including criticism when appropriate.
Previous presidential cycles have generated some valuable such exercises with major-party candidates: 2020’s “The Case Against Biden,” “The Case Against Trump,” and “Kamala Harris Is a Cop Who Wants To Be President“; 2016’s “Bernie’s Bad Ideas,” “Trump vs. the Constitution,” and “Hail to the Censor!“; 2012’s “Consultant in Chief,” and “The Ron Paul Moment,” 2008’s “Be Afraid of President McCain,” and “The Cult of the Presidency,” and on and on. Want more articles like that?
The approach of keeping our heads while others lose theirs has served us well in the 12 months since our last Webathon. Some examples:
- “Kamala Harris Is a Flop,” by Elizabeth Nolan Brown
- “Biden Administration Illegally Pressured Social Media Platforms, 5th Circuit Affirms,” by Jacob Sullum
- “President Trump Freed Drug Offenders. Candidate Trump Wants To Kill Them.” By Jacob Sullum
- “Nikki Haley’s Crazy Plan to Require Verification on Social Media,” by Robby Soave
- “Ron DeSantis Confirms (Again) That His Attack on Disney Was Political Retribution,” by Eric Boehm
- “Vivek Ramaswamy Is Wrong About the National Debt,” by Nick Gillespie
- “Did California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s Luck Finally Run Out?” By Steven Greenhut
- “Why Are So Many Libertarians Suddenly Fond of RFK Jr.?” By Liz Wolfe
- “Mitt Romney, Like So Many NeverTrumpers, Was Hobbled by His Own Grubby Political Ambitions,” by Matt Welch
- “Elizabeth Warren Wants the Government To Investigate America’s ‘Sandwich Shop Monopoly,’,” by Christian Britschgi
This coming presidential season, with its two ancient and profoundly unpopular major-party front-runners, plus all kinds of wild cards in the third party/independent lane, is guaranteed to go cuckoo-bananas long before the Democratic Party holds its national convention in, uh, Chicago. You need a journalistic outlet to help keep you sane, to scrutinize through a libertarian lens, and maybe even to laugh a little at the horror show. You need Reason! And we need you.
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DeSantis reaches Iowa campaign milestone as Trump turns his focus to Biden
Cedar Rapids, Iowa — As Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis completed a presidential campaign milestone Saturday afternoon by visiting all 99 counties in Iowa, former President Donald Trump largely ignored his GOP opponent by taking aim at another rival, President Biden, as the two candidates held dueling rallies in the state.
In an event in Cedar Rapids, Trump focused his attacks on Mr. Biden, who he claims is “destroying American democracy.” Trump appears to be seeking to frame the primary election as over before any votes have been cast, and focusing his attention on his 2020 rival.
The Trump campaign Saturday handed out new signs reading “Biden attacks Democracy” to rally-goers.
“Joe Biden is not the defender of American democracy. Joe Biden is the destroyer of American democracy,” Trump said to a crowded gymnasium at Kirkwood Community College, portraying the 91 criminal charges he faces across four criminal indictments as politicized.
In a social media post on his Truth Social platform Wednesday, Trump made the unverified claim that Biden has “the Justice Department and others suing me wherever and whenever possible – WEAPONIZATION, it’s called, and maybe that can make a difference.”
Additionally, Trump also pledged to appoint a special prosecutor to “go after” Mr. Biden if Trump were to win the presidency in 2024.
Trump’s attacks come as he was dealt two legal setbacks Friday. A federal judge rejected his attempt to dismiss the special counsel’s 2020 election interference case against him, while a federal appeals court also ruled that Trump is not entitled to broad immunity from civil lawsuits related to the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection.
The Biden re-election campaign pushed back on claims that Mr. Biden is going after Trump personally.
“Donald Trump’s America in 2025 is one where the government is his personal weapon to lock up his political enemies. You don’t have to take our word for it — Trump has admitted it himself,” Biden campaign spokesperson Ammar Moussa said. “After spending a week defending his plan to rip health care away from millions of Americans, this is his latest desperate attempt at distraction — the American people see right through it and it won’t work.”
The choice to focus on Mr. Biden instead of the ongoing Republican presidential primary was notable.
Trump mentioned DeSantis only a handful of times, saying DeSantis’ campaign was falling “like a very seriously wounded bird,” and repeating claims that he helped get DeSantis elected during his 2020 gubernatorial election.
Less than 100 miles away in the city of Newton, in Jasper County, it was a different story for DeSantis, who was completing a “full Grassley,” a nickname for a tour of all of Iowa’s 99 counties.
With just 44 days to go until the Iowa caucus, DeSantis showcased some new attacks on Trump, who has maintained a sizable advantage over him in state and national polls.
DeSantis argued that completing his 99-county tour showed he considers himself “a servant, not a ruler. And that’s how people that get elected should consider themselves.”
DeSantis, his campaign and allies often argue that Trump feels “entitled” to the GOP nomination, given his comparatively lighter campaign schedule.
“I’ve been very frank with my view on President Trump’s campaign,” DeSantis said to the crowd at the Thunderdome, a wedding venue in Jasper County.
He added that Trump is “campaigning on things that he promised to do in [2016] and didn’t deliver.” DeSantis cited Trump’s promise to build a wall on the southern border, his call to “drain the swamp” in Washington, D.C., and his call to create a so-called “special counsel for Democrats.”
DeSantis then turned to Trump’s response during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, calling it “the wrong approach.”
“Knowing what we know now, would you still do the same things that you would do? His answer to that question is yes,” DeSantis said. “And to me that is disqualifying because this can never happen to our country ever again,”
DeSantis also criticized how, in his closing days as president, Trump gave a presidential commendation to Dr. Anthony Fauci, former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.
DeSantis also accused Trump of not supporting those who were criminally charged and convicted for their involvement in the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection.
“Did he help the people that got caught up in the Capitol stuff, that he told to go there? Did he give any support for them? No, but he did give a commendation to Dr. Fauci on his last day in office,” DeSantis said.
DeSantis was introduced by evangelical leader Bob Vander Plaats and Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds, both of whom have endorsed him. In his introduction, Vander Plaats said that the country needs a “God-fearing man,” and argued for Trump supporters to back DeSantis instead.
“Voting for Ron DeSantis is not against Donald Trump, it is about the future of our country,” he said.
Ron Murray, an Iowa voter from Jasper County, the 99th which DeSantis visited, seemed to agree with Vander Plaats pitch. Murray said he was considering his options going into the event, but left convinced he would vote for DeSantis.
“I believe that [DeSantis] is a God-fearing man, and I do not believe that Trump is,” he said.
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Gavin Newsom Eviscerated Ron DeSantis During Their Fox News Debate, and It Wasn’t Even Close
However, despite the many, many instances in which Newsom eviscerated DeSantis, we’d argue that the worst moment came when the California governor spoke about the sorry state of mental health in Florida, to which DeSantis…held up a map of feces.
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It’s obviously hard to overstate the magnitude of this kind of unforced error, but it will clearly henceforth be known, in debate clubs around the world, as “pulling a DeSantis.”
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Critics Crap On DeSantis For Breaking Out A Map Full O’ Feces In Newsom Debate
The California governor couldn’t help but laugh after DeSantis showcased the poop plots on Fox News.
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Rumble In The Fox Den: Sean Hannity’s Newsom Vs. DeSantis Debate Proves A Wasted Opportunity
If there were winners out of Fox News’ debate between California’s Gavin Newsom and Florida’s Ron DeSantis tonight, it was Joe Biden, Donald Trump and the Walt Disney Company. If there were losers, it looks to be the Sunshine State Governor himself, civility and Sean Hannity.
Live from Alpharetta, Georgia, the crowd free Great Red Vs Blue State Debate saw the incumbent POTUS get big props and support over and over from his ambitious adoptive political son. On the other side fo the aisle, the Hannity moderated event left the former Celebrity Apprentice host actually looking like a heavyweight compared to the shrill DeSantis.
Far from the chumminess of Dick Cheney and Joe Lieberman’s VP debate in 2000 as well as the verbal and philosophical sabers of the dramatic Town Meeting of the World between then California Gov. Ronald Reagan and Senator Robert F Kennedy via satellite in 1967, this insult match was reminiscent in all the wrong ways of Biden and Trump’s first debate in 2020.
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Of course, the difference is Ron DeSantis is running for the 2024 GOP nomination for President and Gavin Newsom, who quoted from the Great Communicator tonight in whacking down Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” law, isn’t running for anything in 2024 – as he pledged tonight under pressure from Hannity and his fellow governor.
Which means in the short term, Newsom had nothing to lose by playing in the Fox den.
Quipping “Ron, relax” and labeling DeSantis as “nothing but a bully,” Newsom had the best two lines of night. On the flip side, DeSantis often called his foe a liar as Newsom deamed the Florida governor’s record on Covid as one of flip flopping, at times parroting some of the same points made by Trump.
“I had Disney open during Covid and we made them a fortune and we saved a lot of jobs,” DeSantis bellowed after the West Coast Democrat took the first of several digs at him over recent jurisdictional and legal battles with the Bob Iger-led House of Mouse. “You had Disney closed inexplicably for over a year. You were a lockdown Governor, you did a lot of damage to your people,” DeSantis added, literally stomping over his own attempt to resurrect the tension in 2020 between Newsom and the then Bob Chapek-run company over Disneyland closures.
Trolling each other for months and throwing mud at the other’s state, leadership and Oval Office dreams, Newsom and DeSantis’ long-awaited dogfight was ultimately a wasted opportunity.
Even more so that the participants themselves, the debate floundered because it didn’t live up to its own fair and balanced hype. From the start, this proved to be an extension of Hannity’s opinion show, with many of the questions tailored to put Newsom on defense. With a squint and a redirection of ambition, FNC’s Hannpalooza could be seen as a backhanded audition for The Daily Show co-hosting gigs for the ultimately termed out Governors if Newsom hadn’t been so dominate.
The debate certainly wasn’t the planned crowning achievement for its moderator, who seemed out of his comfort zone for most of the 90-minute debate.
The Great Red Vs Blue State Debate kicked off with Hannity declaring “I will be moderating this debate, I will not be part of the debate.” Unfortunately for Hannity, that proved to be very true within minutes as the Fox host lost control of the proceedings. The two governors went at each other with little regard for time limits or rules of engagement.
Put it this way: You know you have a problem when you have to declare in the first half hour as Hannity did that “I want this debate to breath …I don’t want to be a hall monitor.” A plea he had to make twice. Even before that, the moderator’s Switzerland stance dissipated pretty quick with the first trio of questions being standard Fox News-host digs at the Golden State.
Hannity insisted towards the end of the debate that he was “not a potted plant,” but the candidates continued to talk over one another.

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Having said that, the issues aside, the lack of an audience was one distinct upside this debate provided. The contenders on stage may have not had a lot to say to each other, but the lack of the constant interruptions and partisan crowd applause and groans was a welcome relief and a blueprint for the future.
Slamming Newsom as slick and willing to tell “a blizzard of lies,” DeSantis came out swinging while a comfortable Newsom played it cool circa Clinton 1992 with a bit of Obama flare and slipped the shiv to the Florida governor. Newsom’s accusation of DeSantis taking “America in reverse” and trying to “out Trump Trump” by sending migrants from non-border Florida to Martha’s Vineyard and Sacramento left political blood on the red carpeted set.
“By the way, how’s that going for you Ron?” Newsom then mocked DeSantis. “You’re down 41 points in your own home state,” he added in what was a Trump campaign ad waiting to be made.
“As he continues to talk over me, I’ll talk to the American people,” Newsom said earlier, adding “as you smile and smirk over there” to an often-wide-eyed DeSantis. Claiming West Coast Democrats are on an “ideological joyride” when it comes to crime and trying to shame Newsom over his pandemic French Laundry scandal, DeSantis smartly pivoted again and again to Fox viewers.
Newsom was willing to attack DeSantis from the right, or to borrow from Trump, as he did quoted the former president’s “Red Ron” pro-China kick at the Florida Governor.
The well-publicized debate was locked down ages ago when DeSantis looked like likely GOP alternative to Trump. DeSantis’ decline in the polls, though, didn’t appear to diminish interest in the matchup with Newsom. The event was heavily promoted and hyped on Fox hype throughout the day on Thursday. The Five kicked off with Dana Perino calling it “the Red vs. Blue showdown we’ve all been waiting for.”
While the stakes for DeSantis were clear, Jesse Watters made the case that it also was a risk for Newsom as well. He noted that “Newsom has to be good, but he can’t be too good.” “What I mean is Newson has to be good so he has to establish himself as the heir apparent as the alternative in case something happens to Joe…. But if he’s too good … then you’re going see donors and pundits start drafting him and telling Joe Biden to clip the campaign, and that’s going to create a war. And I don’t think the Democratic Party wants that.”
The night’s dust-up between the two governors did offer a rare chance for an unnuanced live and direct clash of visions for the nation and the world. Some of that came through, but much time was spent trying to discern what the candidates were even saying to the other, something that Hannity tried to remind the both of them.
There are other dates on the calendar that will give DeSantis the opportunity to command media attention for his record in Florida. Next Wednesday is another Republican debate, this time hosted by NewsNation, the upstart news network that has had a fraction of the Fox audience. In two weeks, a federal court will hear arguments in his motion to dismiss Disney’s First Amendment lawsuit, in which the company alleges retaliation after it came out against the governor’s parental rights law, dubbed the “don’t say gay” bill. The real big date on the calendar is January 15, the day of the Iowa caucuses.
Newsom repeatedly reminded DeSantis that he was trailing in the polls, he suggested that he drop out to boost Nikki Haley and he predicted that neither one of them would be a nominee in 2024. As much as Hannity tried to steer the debate into questions of policy, often noting California’s downsides vs. Florida’s upsides, the evening often was one of jostling and jabs. And when it comes to who will be facing off against each other in 2024, Newsom may very well be right.
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Listen to the DeSantis-Newsom Debate Live on FOX News Channel
FOX News Channel (Ch. 114) will air the much-anticipated political showdown between Democratic California Governor Gavin Newsom and Republican Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. “The Great Red vs. Blue State Debate” will broadcast live from Alpharetta, Ga., at 9pm ET this Thursday (November 30). The debate will also be available on the SiriusXM app after it airs.
DeSantis-Newsom Debate Preview
Moderated by FOX News host Sean Hannity, known for his weeknight show in the 9 pm slot, the 90-minute debate will delve into key issues facing both states. Hannity will lead discussions on the economy, the border, immigration, crime, and inflation, providing a comprehensive examination of each governor’s stance.
Hannity will not only moderate the debate but also offer live reactions alongside a panel of guests from 10:30-11 pm. Following this analysis, “Fox News at Night with Trace Gallagher” will air at its regular 11 pm slot.
Let’s take a closer look at the debaters:
Governor Gavin Newsom (D-Calif.):
Newsom, representing the Golden State, has been in office since January 2019. His policies have often mirrored progressive ideals, focusing on issues like climate change, healthcare, and social justice. California’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic and its economic recovery will likely be key points of discussion.
Governor Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.):
Leading the Sunshine State since January 2019, DeSantis is known for his conservative approach to governance. His strategies, particularly concerning COVID-19 restrictions, have gained national attention. Expect discussions on Florida’s economic resilience, border policies, and the governor’s stance on individual liberties.
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