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  • How’s Martin Scorsese as a Documentary Subject?

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    Documenting the life and work of Martin Scorsese would be a daunting task for any filmmaker. But it’s one that Rebecca Miller threw herself into after pitching herself for the job.

    After interacting with the iconic filmmaker behind Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and Goodfellas a few times over the years, Miller contacted his documentary producing partner to see if anyone was doing a documentary on him. Directors had been trying, she heard, but Scorsese hadn’t given anyone the green light. So Miller threw her hat in the ring. “I had a meeting, and by the end of that meeting, it felt to me like maybe we were making this film,” she says.

    It turns out, they were. Releasing on Apple TV on Friday, her five-part docuseries Mr. Scorsese chronicles the director’s trajectory from his boyhood in lower Manhattan’s Little Italy neighborhood, observing the wise guys that ultimately suffused his later gangster films, all the way to prep on 2023’s Killers of the Flower Moon. It’s informed by around 20 hours of interviews with Scorsese as well as many more hours with a star-studded array of figures from his past and collaborators, Leonardo DiCaprio and Thelma Schoonmaker among them. The series covers the highs and lows, on a spectrum from winning his best director Oscar for The Departed to periods of drug abuse and depression.

    That even Scorsese has had an up-and-down journey “sort of gives hope to all of us that there’s a way you can redefine yourself always,” says Miller.

    In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Miller discussed the underappreciated films she wanted to highlight in the series, her treatment of Scorsese’s faith and bringing the filmmaker together with his New York boyhood pals for catch-up sessions that appear in the series.

    Did you as a director have any trepidation about tackling Martin Scorsese’s life and work?

    I think I was excited about it. Very often I sublimate fear when I’m working because if I allowed myself to feel fear and anxiety, I would never do anything. So I have to kind of pretend it’s not there. Now in retrospect, I’m nervous, but I’m very glad that I did it. I just took it on thinking, I think I can do something here. I think I have a way in and then just put one foot in front of the other, really.

    Where did the idea originate to bring together some of Scorsese’s boyhood pals for conversations with him for the film?

    So what happened was that he had these photographs of his childhood with him for the first interview. And a few of them were these dear childhood friends and it became clear to me that these people were hugely important in his formation and the raw material for his later work. So I started talking to him about is he still in contact with them? Was there any way I could find them? And in fact, he was still in touch with Robert Uricola and John Bivona and a few others who were his really close friends. I ended up contacting them and in a couple of cases going to Florida to talk to them. And then we also had these two amazing shoots, one in a cafe and one in a restaurant, where he talked to his oldest friends. And it was a real privilege because it’s also an anthropological journey of people. Robert Uricola is no longer alive, and he was the key to a lot of the memories.

    How open and voluble did you find Scorsese from the jump or did it take some time to get him to open up? 

    I really wasn’t manipulating the situation at all. I came in full of curiosity, not knowing very much about his private life, but knowing a lot about his films, having studied his films pretty carefully, and the time around his films. In other words, every year I knew what was being made, I understood the film business and what the whole culture of film was around him, but a lot of the personal things I was really surprised by or didn’t know, I just didn’t know, even the details of his childhood. And so it was me being curious and him having decided, I think, to be honest.

    Scorsese’s producing partner, his manager, the sister of his manager and a financial backer of the manager’s company all served as different kinds of producers on this project. How did that come about and did that put any creative limitations on what you could depict in the film?

    I’m glad you asked that. So essentially what happened was when we started out, it was like Marty said “yes,” he wants to do it, and then it was the pandemic literally three days later, the shutters came down. And so we started by self-financing and just doing it on my porch. We did that a couple of times, about four-hour interviews each, and then we did a little light editing to really get a sense of where we were, what we had, what we wanted to do. By this time, of course, Rick Yorn knew about the project because he’s Marty’s manager and producer, and we were going to go out to all the usual suspects and try and get financing. But he suggested that he go to Apple. First of all, he gave some gap financing through his company. And then Apple came on board and [he] really made that introduction because they have that relationship with Apple. But we were like, okay, if that works, then we’re fine, we’ll just continue working on it.

    Part of it is that I have creative control on the film and I don’t really work unless I have creative control, so that was a prerequisite for me. And he was incredibly respectful. And I guess not incredibly, because he really took his cue from Marty. So that’s your answer. I didn’t have any artistic interference, but he did get involved on that financial level as gap financing and then finally finding us Apple, which was lovely because then we didn’t have to go to absolutely everybody and do it.

    Are there any films that you think were underappreciated or under-recognized that you particularly wanted to highlight in this series or talk to?

    Yeah, I feel like Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore is a film that a lot of people haven’t seen, but it’s just a wonderful film, really a tremendous film. And also The Age of Innocence is perhaps one of my favorite films of his. And it’s interesting because Mark Harris says something that I think is really interesting in the film, which is that because of the great success of his movies about the mob, he became “the mob director.” But really his subject is worlds, distinct worlds, and he wants to go in and he wants to understand them. So there’s a part of Marty that is an anthropologist and wants to understand and say, “This is how we lived at this time” to the next generation or whatever. He’s really into what really happened, what did people really do? And you can feel that the detail of that in each of the films, I think.

    The series really hammers home Scorsese’s exploration of good and evil in his work. Is that something that you came to the film wanting to look at, or a theme you discovered along the way?

    Well, I’d say that from the beginning I was very interested in what I thought was his spiritual life, which I had the feeling was very important to his films, but I didn’t really know how exactly. [In] some of the more overtly religious films, it’s obvious, but how does that jive with Raging Bull? How does it jive with Goodfellas and so on? But you realize that it’s all these questions, these big questions about good and evil and what are we are kind of sewn into all his work. And that was something that I was really interested in exploring and that was kind of my way in, essentially.

    A lot of people have an idea of who Martin Scorsese is. What do you hope they discover as a result of watching this series?

    I read something where somebody describes the series as a crazy ride in a hot air balloon where you’re up, then you’re down, then you’re up, then you’re down, you think you’re crashing into the water, then all of a sudden you’re up over the hills. And that’s what I think, is you realize that there were so many times where he really felt like it was over. He had crashed out to the bottom and then all of a sudden he’s back again, he’s alive. I mean, literally he had near-death experiences. I think it sort of gives hope to all of us that there’s a way you can redefine yourself always. And the other thing, of course, the most important thing perhaps, is that it brings people back to the films that they either rewatch or discover films. They thought they knew him but no, there’s another aspect. His project in the largest way of looking at it is kind of like our country, all these decades of our country and how it’s reflected in his work, for better and worse — the beauty and the greed and the violence and the love. So much of it is reflected in this work.

    Was there anything left on the cutting room floor that you were kind of devastated to leave behind on this one?

    There’s one thing that I still would like to put out as its own little thing, which is the story of how he [Scorsese] essentially saved the great director Michael Powell from complete obscurity, living in a trailer in the Cotswalds, and brought him to the United States and he got a teaching job. Marty really enabled people to discover him [and] his films, and also he met Thelma Schoonmaker, who is obviously Marty’s longtime collaborator and editor, and they got married. And it’s just a very beautiful story, but it just didn’t fit in a documentary about Marty. And it’s something that I think is beautiful and also says a lot about Marty, but sometimes in order to make something good, you have to lose things.

    Are there any films that you discovered or rediscovered as a result of doing this film?

    I didn’t know his early films. One thing that’s really extraordinary is if you look at It’s Not Just You, Murray!, which he made when he was something like 22 or 21 years old, it has the keys to Goodfellas in it. I mean, it’s really mirroring Goodfellas in terms of its approach to form, its energy and its relationship to language and voiceover. Not only that, but he had storyboards that he made when he was nine or 10 years old that contain a shot that he is still attempting to make. And we actually animated his little storyboards when he was a child and you realize, oh my god, he’s still making [these], and we show the shots. He was, in a way, a complete person as a filmmaker. He was so complete in his understanding of the language. But at the same time, it took him so long and he’s still discovering, he’s still developing. He still has the same hunger as he did when he started out.

    This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

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  • Mr. Scorsese Could Be Twice as Long and It Still Wouldn’t Be Enough

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    Rebecca Miller has a clear thesis in Mr. Scorsese: There will never be another Martin Scorsese. Over five episodes of the Apple TV+ docuseries, Miller augments this argument through interviews with Scorsese and people from his life — childhood friends, recurring collaborators like editor Thelma Schoonmaker and actor Robert De Niro, relatives including his three daughters — and select clips from his decades of work. Every time Miller whips out a split screen to trace common themes between Scorsese’s various films and influences (like a comparison between the fights in Raging Bull and the shower-stabbing scene in Psycho), she proves her own deep understanding of Scorsese as an artist. Mr. Scorsese is an eye-opening and deeply moving viewing experience, one that had me crying within the first three minutes of the premiere episode. It is also, at a run time of 287 minutes, not nearly enough. Not! Nearly! Enough!

    Mr. Scorsese is convincing in its suggestion that Scorsese is perhaps the defining American filmmaker of his time, someone whose persistent interest in masculinity and money and the corrupting influence of both on our morality is a mirror held up to our national identity. The docuseries is so successful in hitting these points that I wanted to see more of the connections Miller was making; Scorsese’s career is rich and varied enough that Mr. Scorsese could have been, I don’t know, five more episodes? Ten more episodes? An episode released weekly until the end of time? I am being conservative and reasonable, I think! Here are 12 elements of Mr. Scorsese just begging for more screen time.

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    Mr. Scorsese is chronological, so premiere “Stranger in a Strange Land” spends time with the guys he grew up with in the Bowery. Scorsese bickering with Joe Morale and Robert Uricola about how they met is lovely and warm, which counters the discussion about the prevalent violence in their neighborhood. These men provide real color to Scorsese’s biographical details, like how his asthma led his father to take him to movie theaters for the air-conditioning, helping spark the filmmaker’s early love of cinema. Two men are particularly engaging: childhood neighbor Dominick Ferraro, who talks about a fight they were in at the West Side Club, and Uricola’s cousin Sally, who inspired De Niro’s character in Mean Streets. Ferraro’s description of Scorsese’s reaction after the fight is gold (“Scorsese turns around and says, ‘I wish I had a camera.’ I said, ‘This fucking guy wants a camera, I want a gun’”), and Sally deserves a memoir of his own. When Miller asks if he really blew up a mailbox, as depicted in Mean Streets, his casual admission and shrugging, “Let them arrest me now,” is hilarious.

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    Real ones know that Scorsese’s longtime editor, Thelma Schoonmaker, is a major reason why his films look so good and move so well. Mr. Scorsese pieces together how Scorsese and Schoonmaker met, separated for nearly a decade after he was taken off the 1970 documentary Woodstock, then reunited for 1980’s Raging Bull and have stayed together since. Schoonmaker is an unparalleled figure in America’s cinematic history, and while I relished the behind-the-scenes information Miller got about how she cut Raging Bull and popularized the use of jump cuts with 1990’s GoodFellas, it would have been wonderful to see a joint interview with her and Scorsese sharing memories of prior projects.

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    Scorsese’s career has long been fixated on the different layers of the American myth and why they allure and trap us. Mr. Scorsese tackles this through-line from a couple different directions. First is the story of Louis Frezza, Scorsese’s friend who died at 18 from cancer and was buried in a Queens cemetery, above which loomed a gigantic sign for the Continental Can Company. The omnipresence of capitalism in what should have been a place of faith disgusted Scorsese: “I was thinking, What is life? Screw you. I’m not gonna work for the Continental Can Company. … I couldn’t do it. I wouldn’t do it,” he says now. Criticism of capitalism and imperialism undermining individual dignity drives a ton of his work, from the 1967 anti–Vietnam War short film The Big Shave to his 2002 NYC origin story Gangs of New York, and Scorsese comparing that film’s Natives gang to the Proud Boys is thought provoking as hell. I wish Mr. Scorsese had let him cook a little longer about the political angles to his work.

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    Mr. Scorsese doesn’t feel especially compromised by the filmmaker’s involvement, but there are moments throughout the series when it feels like certain things are only being alluded to. Did Scorsese have an affair with Liza Minnelli in 1977’s New York, New York? Did he and Harvey Keitel fall out, and that’s why they didn’t work together for 30 years? What about Steven Prince, the subject of Scorsese’s 1978 documentary American Boy? Prince was an actor who served as Scorsese’s assistant during his cocaine era and partially inspired Eric Stoltz’s character in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction. Five years ago, he was the subject of a lengthy New Yorker profile for which Scorsese declined to be interviewed; it would be fascinating to get his perspective on that time in Scorsese’s life. Mr. Scorsese didn’t have to be messy, necessarily, but this man has lived a life. May we please have some gossip?

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    This is how you talk about an ex: with warm affection and a sly read.

    She’s right: Sometimes it is just easier to think about lunch! Please, more of Isabella lightly teasing Marty about his tendency to flagellate himself while considering the agony of the human condition.

    It is simply hilarious to watch Scorsese and screenwriter Jay Cocks talk shit about Harvey Weinstein, who produced Gangs of New York and was constantly butting heads with Scorsese. I have many times watched this scene in which Scorsese in an exasperated tone and with pinched fingers complains about how Weinstein wanted to cut the movie’s wardrobe budget because he didn’t understand why so many characters were wearing hats. I would hear a million more of his complaints about Weinstein.

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    Scorsese’s films have been nominated for more than 100 Oscars, but he only has one personal win for directing 2006’s The Departed. A clip from The Aviator press tour in 2004 shows Scorsese’s gracious answer to an interviewer’s question about whether he wants an Oscar (“Me, personally? The time has gone, I think”), but I refuse to accept that one Oscar is enough for this man. Billie Eilish is 23 years old, and she has two! I don’t care that the categories are different; it’s the principle of the thing. Rebecca Miller, please call every person you know in the Oscars’ Directors Branch and grill them on why Scorsese has been so overlooked. I will happily wait for that companion docuseries in which every one of Scorsese’s peers is interrogated for their lack of respect.

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    Taxi Driver was a shot in the arm to American cinema: a wildly dark movie about a man lost in his own fantasies and obsessions with access to guns and a strict moral code that he’s willing to die to defend. The MPAA originally gave it an X rating, and the film’s studio told Scorsese to cut it to an R rating, or they would. A classic story of artist versus overlords — which took a turn, well, fitting of Taxi Driver when Scorsese threatened to kill the head of the studio. Steven Spielberg and Brian De Palma describe Scorsese telling them that he was going to get a gun, and the contrast between their bemused recounting of this story and Scorsese’s aggressive eye roll and laughter about the threat is highly entertaining. He now seems to be underplaying the sincerity of his outsize reaction, but it’s illuminating when Scorsese says, “Violence is scary, in yourself,” because he admits he was willing to get wild to defend his art. Hearing more about whether Scorsese felt pushed into violence to defend his other movies would have been compelling, too.

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    Scorsese’s cocaine addiction in the 1970s was clearly not a good time — Rossellini talking about how he woke up once to find himself black and blue all over, then learned at the hospital that he was bleeding internally from his heavy drug use, is harrowing. More details about that would feel perhaps voyeuristic. There’s an interesting connection, though, between Scorsese’s near-death experience and his relationship with De Niro, who asked him in the hospital if he really wanted to “die like this” and urged him to get better and direct Raging Bull. I cried when Scorsese quietly said of De Niro’s offer, “I looked at him, and I said, ‘Okay,’” but how much did Scorsese then feel grateful (or indebted) to De Niro? When they worked on movies together that Scorsese says he didn’t particularly enjoy (The King of Comedy) or isn’t sure entirely worked (Cape Fear), did Scorsese agree to the gigs because De Niro was there for him in his worst moment? A little more discussion of how hitting rock bottom affected his working relationships could have helped round out this section.

    Scorsese’s been famous for a long time. He’s been protected by the FBI twice, after John Hinckley Jr.’s Taxi Driver–inspired attempt to assassinate President Ronald Reagan and after the release of The Last Temptation of Christ. You’ve probably seen at least one of his daughter Francesca’s viral TikTok videos or Instagram photos of her dad. We probably think we know Scorsese, or at least the version of him that comedians like Kyle Mooney have played on Saturday Night Live — which makes his discomfort with fame worth hearing more about. His daughters talk most about this, with Francesca mentioning a time when he didn’t leave their apartment except to go to his office. But how does Scorsese feel about this? He doesn’t speak much about how the ebbs and flows of celebrity have affected him, but I would like to know how he deals with not being able to experience New York City as casually as he once did.

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    You probably know that people were very angry about The Last Temptation of Christ, in which Willem Dafoe plays a Jesus Christ who fucks, and Mr. Scorsese traces how the outcry against the movie was led by the increasingly powerful religious right in the U.S. But what about Kundun? Scorsese’s film about the Dalai Lama is only briefly discussed in terms of its amateur cast and its reception as “beautiful but dull.” The missing context is that Disney severely curtailed the release of the film because of the Chinese government’s pushback. Disney’s then-CEO Michael Eisner publicly apologized for the movie, saying, “The bad news is that the film was made; the good news is that nobody watched it.” Kundun has remained incredibly difficult to find — the physical-media release was limited, it’s not streaming in the U.S., and repertory screenings are rare. Why not dig into any of this?

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    1991’s Cape Fear, 1999’s Bringing Out the Dead, and 2011’s Hugo all get only a line or so of commentary and a brief little montage clip, so if one of those is your Scorsese favorite you’re not getting much. And if one of your favorites is Killers of the Flower Moon, as it is mine, well, we’re out of luck, too. Despite KOTFM also being an Apple TV production, Mr. Scorsese relegates it solely to a few minutes at the end of “Method Director.” There’s footage of Scorsese prepping a couple of gigantic cork boards and directing scenes, but no real discussion of his motivations for tackling the film. Perhaps Mr. Scorsese wrapped sometime before the film’s release, but the series could have done a way better job encouraging people who already pay for Apple TV+ to fire up KOTFM. Eliding Scorsese’s most recent film makes for a really abrupt ending, and leaves Mr. Scorsese feeling undeservedly incomplete. Where art thou, Lily Gladstone?


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