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Former Vice President Mike Pence will be heading to the early-voting primary state of South Carolina next week, his advisers told CBS News Thursday.
He’ll be making two stops in the Palmetto State, one in Rock Hill and one in Blythewood, which is near the State capitol of Columbia.
Pence has said he will not announce a decision on whether to pursue the presidency until some time next year, but he has been laying the groundwork for a possible bid, publishing a memoir in November about his time in the White House, campaigning for Republicans in the recent midterm elections and visiting several of the states that vote early in the presidential primary process.
In a recent interview with Margaret Brennan on CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” asked Pence whether there was a danger in former President Donald Trump being president again — in November Trump became the first major declared GOP presidential candidate for 2024. Pence responded that he expected “we’ll have better choices.”
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The former vice president will also be traveling to another early state on the presidential primary calendar when he goes to New Hampshire on Dec. 12. A source close to Pence also said to expect him to pay more visits to Iowa, the first state to weigh in on presidential candidates during the primaries and caucuses.
Pence, a born-again Christian, has also been solidifying ties with politically-active evangelical groups in the early GOP primary states like Iowa and South Carolina ahead of a potential run.
His former chief of staff Marc Short told CBS News on Thursday that Pence will have book signings in New Hampshire and South Carolina in the coming weeks, and the former vice president doesn’t need to adhere to an “artificial timeline” to decide about a potential run.
“He and his family will gather over the Christmas holiday and talk about the future that they see and where they think they can be called to serve the American people,” Short said.
Caitlin Huey-Burns contributed reporting.
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Donald Trump’s disturbing dinner at Mar-a-Lago last week with Holocaust-denying white supremacist Nick Fuentes is further evidence that Trump is sliding even “deeper into the heart of darkness” since he lost the 2020 election, a one-time top aide to former Vice President Mike Pence said.
The dinner last Tuesday with Fuentes and Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, was “incredibly poor judgment” by Trump, Pence’s former chief of staff Marc Short said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.”
“There’s no excuse for it,” he added.
Short said he agreed with comments by former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), who said Friday that the dinner makes Trump an “untenable” candidate for president. Both Christie and Pence may decide to launch their own campaigns for the presidency.
Trump’s meeting with Fuentes and Ye was ironic, given that Trump’s daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism, Short noted.
But “ever since the election in 2020, I think the [former] president’s descended deeper into the heart of darkness here,” Short said. “I think it’s a big challenge [and] another reason Republicans are looking in a different direction in 2024.”
CNN political commentator Ashley Allison called the dinner no surprise.
Allison reminded Short that Trump supporters with Nazi flags marched in front of counterprotesters chanting “Jews will not replace us” in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017. Trump insisted at the time there were “very fine people” on both sides.
Why “would we be surprised he had an antisemite go down to have dinner with him?” she asked. “Donald Trump is homophobic; he is an antisemite, he does racist things,” she added. If he becomes president again, it will “continue to polarize us and cause this heightened tension of hate and violence,” she added.
Fuentes is a prominent racist and antisemite who has called for denying women the right to vote. Ye vowed in October on Twitter to go “death con 3” on Jews.
Trump has insisted he didn’t recognize the high-profile political activist backed by Trump’s own allies, GOP Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.) and Paul Gosar (Ariz.). But witnesses reported that Trump praised Fuentes at dinner.
He also insisted he was just giving Ye advice, mostly about business. Ye was recently bounced from several lucrative sponsorships following his antisemitic tweets and comments.
In another post on Truth Social, Trump later called Ye, a “seriously troubled man.”
Ye claimed he asked Trump to be his vice president, and that Trump “screamed” at him at the dinner. But Trump praised Fuentes as they dined together, according to witness reports.
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The Justice Department has reached out to speak with former Vice President Mike Pence in the department’s ongoing investigation into the events surrounding Jan. 6 and alleged efforts by former President Donald Trump and his allies to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, sources familiar with the matter confirmed to CBS News.
The former vice president has received the request and is reviewing it, sources familiar with the matter tell CBS News.
The Justice Department declined to comment to CBS News. A spokesman for Pence also declined to offer a comment.
The New York Times was first to report on the Justice Department seeking to interview Pence.
In the final days of Trump’s presidency, Pence endured intense pressure from Trump, who urged him to unilaterally overturn the 2020 presidential election results on Jan. 6, 2021, when Congress counted the electoral ballots, by refusing to affirm the ballots of battleground states that had voted for Joe Biden.
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Pence ultimately announced Mr. Biden as the winner of the 2020 election at 3:40 a.m. on Jan. 7, 2021. Since then, he has not wavered in his belief that Mr. Biden won the election, despite Trump’s refusal to acknowledge the election results. Pence told “Face the Nation” last week that “Joe Biden was elected president of the United States of America.”
Last week, Attorney General Merrick Garland announced special counsel Jack Smith would be overseeing the key aspects of the Justice Department’s investigation into the Jan. 6 attack, as well as the retention of national defense information at Trump’s residence at Mar-a-Lago
The Justice Department’s criminal investigation is separate from the one being conducted by a House select committee, which will sunset at the end of 2022. Although Pence had once said he was open to speaking to the committee, he told “Face the Nation” last week that Congress has “no right to my testimony.”
The House Jan. 6 committee in October subpoenaed Trump.
Trump has announced he is running for president in 2024. While Pence has not made any announcements, he has not ruled out a presidential run and he told “Face the Nation” last week that he thought there would be “better choices” than Trump in 2024.
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Anti-abortion proponents who believe Donald Trump’s crowning achievement was the overturning of Roe v. Wade say the newly declared 2024 contender will still have to earn their support in the upcoming Republican presidential primary – and he may be off to a rocky start.
In his more-than-hour-long speech announcing his candidacy, the former president omitted any mention of his anti-abortion credentials or his appointment of three of the conservative Supreme Court justices who ultimately abolished federal abortion protections. Within hours, Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, a leading anti-abortion group, released a statement pointedly dismissing candidates “who shy away from this fight.”
Though the group did not mention Trump by name, its message was clear: No matter what he did to advance the anti-abortion cause during his first term, he must continue to prove his commitment as he seeks a second term or risk losing some conservative coalition support.
Trump “raised the bar very high for what it meant to be a pro-life president,” SBA president Marjorie Dannenfelser told CNN in an interview this week. For that reason, Dannenfelser said, she was “surprised” the former president didn’t do more to tout his anti-abortion bona fides in his campaign announcement.
“It’s a deep moral failure not to step up in the most important moment for our movement and if you think you can breeze through Iowa and South Carolina without a strong pro-life national vision, you’re just wrong,” she said, naming two of the early voting states that can buoy or tank a presidential candidate’s bid.
Others said Trump, who has confided to aides that he believes the abortion issue may be hurting Republican candidates, passed on a layup by touting some of his core achievements in the conservative policy sphere but declining to mention his first-term efforts to limit abortion access. Instead, Trump highlighted his deliverance of tax cuts and deregulatory and counterterrorism actions by his administration as he addressed throngs of loyalists in the ballroom of his Mar-a-Lago estate on Tuesday.
“For sure it was a missed opportunity,” said Kristan Hawkins of Students for Life. “President Trump has done many, many things we are grateful for but regardless, whoever gets our vote will have to earn it.”
“We expect to be courted in the primary process and the person we want to get behind will be unapologetic in speaking up to defend the pre-born and calling for federal protections,” Hawkins said.
The demand among leading abortion opponents for unflinching advocates comes as Trump, whose muted reaction to the overturning of Roe did not go unnoticed among anti-abortion conservatives, is expected to face primary challengers whose advancement of anti-abortion efforts date much further back than his own and may be more willing to embrace more stringent restrictions on abortion access in the months to come, possibly at the federal level. Trump has also found himself weakened in the wake of midterm defeats as some deep-pocketed GOP donors and elected Republicans call for the party to move on from him, underscoring the importance of keeping the conservative grassroots in his corner.
“He does not want to risk any loss in the pro-life, evangelical or Catholic spheres,” Dannenfelser said.
“I think Republicans who are running away from the issue right now are wrong,” added Tom McClusky, director of government affairs at CatholicVote, an advocacy organization that opposes abortion and spent $9.7 million in the 2020 presidential contest to boost Trump over Joe Biden.
Trump’s apparent lack of interest in promoting his anti-abortion achievements is not new, McClusky added, saying that “he didn’t mention all that unless prodded during his presidency.” After the Supreme Court ended federal abortion rights this summer – kicking authority on the issue to state governments – Trump took a brief victory lap, declaring in a statement that the landmark ruling wouldn’t have happened without him “nominating and getting three highly respected and strong Constitutionalists confirmed to the United States Supreme Court.”
Meanwhile, other elements of Trump’s reaction to the ruling raised questions among abortion opponents about his support for new laws restricting the procedure, particularly after the former president had previously sidestepped questions about whether he supported a controversial Texas law banning abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions for life-threatening medical emergencies.
“This brings everything back to the states where it has always belonged,” Trump told Fox News in the wake of the June 24 Dobbs decision.
At a September campaign rally in Ohio for then-Senate GOP hopeful J.D. Vance, Trump once again affirmed his believe that abortion rights or restrictions should be determined “in the states,” adding that “Republicans have to get smart with that issue.”
“It’s turned over to the states and it’s working out… The places where it’s not working out, it will work out,” Trump said.
But if he repeats that in the primary, Trump could land himself in hot water with anti-abortion groups that have been championing efforts to legislate abortion at the federal level.
“One thing that will not be satisfactory and a disqualifier is any candidate who says this is a state issue,” said Dannenfelser, who has remained in touch with Trump since he left office.
Others simply want to see Republican presidential candidates – including Trump – talking about abortion as much as possible in the months to come. Prior to the midterms elections, however, Trump expressed concern to advisers that the reversal of Roe would backfire on GOP candidates by injecting a jolt of energy into the Democratic base, according to two people familiar with his comments.
One of those sources said Trump has since griped to aides that his prediction was right, partly blaming the GOP’s underwhelming midterm performance on the attention abortion received from voters. CNN exit poll data found that 61 percent of voters were displeased with the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and about seven in 10 of those voters backed Democratic candidates running for Congress.
A Trump campaign spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.
“A lot of folks seemed skittish about talking about abortion immediately after Roe’s reversal. We believe that it’s dangerous for Republicans not when you talk about it but when you don’t talk,” said Hawkins.
Democrats have similarly taken note of Trump’s caution around the abortion subject, noting that they will continue to highlight his record.
“It’s no surprise Donald Trump is terrified about talking about his own record of paving the way for abortion bans across the country,” said Ammar Moussa, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, adding that “Democrats will remind voters how [Trump] said there should be ‘some form of punishment’ for women who get an abortion’” during his 2016 presidential campaign.
With Trump kicking off the 2024 primary earlier this week, several abortion opponents have said they have already been impressed with at least one of his potential rivals – former Vice President Mike Pence – and are closely watching to see how others handle the issue as they near possible campaigns of their own.
That includes Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, potentially Trump’s leading foe if he mounts a campaign, who signed a 15-week abortion ban into law this past April but hasn’t committed to including additional legislative restrictions in an upcoming special session of the Florida state legislature, despite calls from abortion opponents to do so.
“We would like to see him do more and see him speak more loudly,” said Hawkins, who remains hopeful that DeSantis’ sweeping reelection victory will embolden him “to take on additional measures in this coming legislative session.”
Pence, for his part, has long charted a political identity with anti-abortion advocacy at its core since his days as a conservative congressman from Indiana. Just weeks after the Dobbs decision was handed down, the former vice president traveled to South Carolina to deliver a speech outlining a Republican policy blueprint for “post-Roe America.” He and his wife Karen have also been quietly raising funds for crisis pregnancy centers across the country and in keynote remarks at a gala for Susan B. Anthony Pro-life America in September, Pence also appeared to endorse Republican efforts to shepherd a national abortion ban through Congress.
“I welcome any and all efforts to advance the cause of life in state capitals or in the nation’s capital,” Pence said at the time.
At a CNN town hall this week, Pence praised the Dobbs decision, saying it gave “the American people a new beginning for life.” While suggesting that laws around abortion had been “returned to the states and the American people, where it belongs,” Pence also said he remains hopeful that all 50 states will eventually “stand for the sanctity of life.”
Marc Short, a top adviser to the former vice president, said Pence will continue to train a spotlight on the issue whether or not he decides to run for president in 2024.
“He’s always said we now have to take our case to the American people in a winsome way, while others have said, ‘just stop talking about it,’” Short said, adding that abortion “has never been a comfortable issue for President Trump and one he thinks of as a political loser.”
While Pence’s intense focus on the issue has scored him points with abortion opponents, Short said it has also rankled some donors who don’t want to see third rail issues “highlighted as much [or] don’t necessarily agree with his position.” Pence, who is in the midst of promoting his new book “So Help Me God” that chronicles his time as vice president, has “loyal supporters who don’t necessarily share his views on life” but continue to support him because they consider him “a role model in public service,” Short said.
After federal abortion rights were overturned, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo – another possible 2024 contender – tweeted that conservatives would soon see “which politicians supported the pro-life cause to win elections, and which actually believed it.” But in a September interview with the Sioux City Journal during one of several visits he has made to Iowa, Pompeo also declined to offer support for Iowa Republican Gov. Kim Reynolds’ push to outlaw abortion after six weeks in her state.
“Iowa will sort through it for itself, the state of Kansas will sort through it for itself,” said Pompeo, a former congressman from Kansas, which earlier this year rejected a proposed state constitutional amendment that could have paved the way for a statewide ban on abortion. Pompeo described the vote as “very confusing.”
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Jimmy Fallon on Thursday joked about how former Vice President Mike Pence seemed “pretty intent” on promoting his new book “So Help Me God” during his CNN town hall this week.
“The Tonight Show” host aired a montage of Pence mentioning his memoir on many, many, many occasions.
The comedian also found the positive in Republicans winning a slim majority in the House in the 2022 midterms. “On the bright side it’s nice to see them seizing the house without zip ties and a Viking helmet,” he cracked.
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The former vice president had an awkward night at a CNN town hall event ― including cases where he got the names of the questioners wrong.
“I think we just found the new spokesperson for Prevagen,” Kimmel said, referring to the supplement that’s supposed to help with memory. “Maybe the reason he calls his wife ‘mother’ is because he can’t remember her name!”
After playing another awkward clip, Kimmel reached a conclusion about Pence.
“I think he might be a robot,” Kimmel said. “I think someone built Donald Trump a robot vice president ― and on the morning of January 6, he lost the remote control.”
In another clip, Pence said he’s “as human as the next guy.”
“Yup, definitely a robot,” Kimmel said.
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NEW YORK (AP) — Former Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday that voters are “looking for new leadership” following the disappointing midterm elections for Republicans, who are now openly debating whether his onetime boss, Donald Trump, should maintain a leading role in the party.
In an interview with The Associated Press just hours after Trump announced another White House run, Pence declined to say whether the thinks the former president is fit to return to his old job. But he implicitly positioned himself as a potential alternative for Republicans seeking conservative leadership without the chaos of the Trump era.
”I think we will have better choices in 2024,” Pence said. “I’m very confident that Republican primary voters will choose wisely.” He said that he and his family will gather over the holidays “and we’ll give prayerful consideration to what our role might be in the days ahead.”
Asked whether he blamed Trump for this week’s Republican losses, he said, “Certainly the president’s continued efforts to relitigate the last election played a role, but … each individual candidate is responsible for their own campaign.”
Pence, while considering a presidential campaign of his own, has been raising his profile as he promotes his new memoir, “ So Help Me God,” which was released on the same day that Trump made official his long-teased White House bid. If Pence moves forward, he would be in direct competition with Trump, a particularly awkward collision for the former vice president, who spent his four years in office defending Trump, refusing to criticize him publicly until after Jan. 6, 2021.
That’s when a mob of Trump’s supporters — driven by Trump’s lie that Pence could somehow reject the election results — stormed the Capitol building while Pence was presiding over the certification of Democrat Joe Biden’s victory. The vice president was steered to safety with his staff and family as some in the mob chanted, “Hang Mike Pence!”
Still, Pence on Wednesday remained largely reticent to criticize Trump beyond the insurrection. That hesitance reflects the reality that the former president remains enormously popular with the GOP base that Pence would need to win over to be competitive in primary contests.
“It wasn’t exactly the style of presidency that I would have advanced had I been the first name on the ballot,” Pence said of his unlikely partnership with Trump. “But it was his presidency and I was there to support him and help him. And until that fateful day in January 2021, I sought to do just that.”
Pence said he hadn’t watched Trump’s full announcement speech on Tuesday, but made the case that voters are looking for a new, less contentious direction.
“You know, the president has every right to stand for election again,” he said. But after traveling the country campaigning with midterm candidates, “I have a genuine sense that the American people are looking for new leadership that could unite our country around our highest ideals and that would reflect the respect and civility the American people show to one another every day, while still advancing the policies that we advanced during those years of service,” he said.
Trump’s campaign launch comes as Republicans grapple with fallout from elections in which they failed to wrest control of the Senate and are on track to win only the narrowest majority in the House. Those results came despite voters’ deep concerns over inflation and the direction of the country under Democrat Biden.
Trump endorsed a long list of candidates in competitive states including Pennsylvania and Arizona who then lost their general election races. While Pence said he was pleased Republicans were taking the House, he acknowledged the election “wasn’t quite the red wave that we all had hoped for.”
“My conclusion,” he said, “is the candidates that were focused on the future, focused on the challenges the American people are facing today and solutions to those challenges did quite well.” But those still questioning the 2020 results — as Trump demanded — “did not do as well.”
In his new book, Pence writes in detail about his experience on Jan. 6, and he expounded on that Wednesday.
“I’ll never forget the simmering indignation that I felt that day, seeing those sights on the cellphones as we gathered in the loading dock below the Senate chamber. I couldn’t help but think not this, not here, not in America,” he said.
In the interview, he recalled his reaction to Trump’s tweets “that criticize me directly at a time that a riot was raging in the Capitol hallways.”
“The president’s words were reckless, and they endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol building,” he said. “The president had decided to be a part of the problem. I was determined to be a part of the solution.”
Asked what consequences Trump should face for his actions, however, Pence punted.
“That’s up to the American people,” he said he believes. “I truly do. And look, I’ll always be proud of the record of the Trump administration for four-and-a-half years. President Trump was not just my president. He was my friend. And we worked closely together to advance the policies that we’d been elected to serve.”
“It didn’t end well,” he acknowledged, in an understatement. “And that tragic day in January will always be a day of great sadness for me, a sadness about what had happened to our relationship, to the bad advice the president was accepting from a group of lawyers that, as I write in my book, should never have been allowed on the White House grounds, let alone in the Oval Office. ”

Pence and Trump were always an odd couple — a pugilistic, crude New York celebrity and a staid Midwestern evangelical who once wrote an essay on the evils of negative campaigning and who, as a rule, says he will not dine alone with a woman who is not his wife. Asked why he so rarely spoke up when Trump launched deeply personal insults against figures such as the late Sen. John McCain, Pence said, in effect, that that was what he had had signed up for.
“As his vice president, I believed it was my role to be loyal to the president,” he said. “And so every step of the way, the way I squared it was I believe that I had been elected vice president to support the presidency that Donald Trump had been elected to advance.”
Indeed, Pence in the book writes that even after Jan. 6, the two men “parted amicably when our service to the nation drew to a close.”
“And in the weeks that followed, from time to time, he would call me and to speak and check in,” Pence said in the interview. “But when he returned to criticizing me and others who had upheld the Constitution that day, I just decided I’d be best to go our separate ways. And we have.”
Asked why he would part “amicably” with Trump given the president’s actions — including his decision not to call Pence to check in on his safety while the riot was underway — Pence said he believed the president had been genuinely regretful when they met for the first time after the 6th.
“For the balance of about 90 minutes, we sat, we talked. I was very direct with the president. I made it clear to him that I believe that I did my duty that day, and I sensed genuine remorse on his part,” Pence recalled. “The president and I had forged not only a good working relationship, but a friendship over four-and-a-half years. We worked together literally every day. But he was different in that time. I encouraged him to take the matter to prayer.”
As for his plans for the future, as everyone asks whether he plans to run, he and his family will gather over the holidays “and we’ll give prayerful consideration to what our role might be in the days ahead.”
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Former Vice President Mike Pence said in a newly released interview clip that he and his family are giving “prayerful consideration” to whether he should run for president in 2024 and that the US will have “better choices in the future” than former President Donald Trump.
Asked by ABC News’ David Muir if he believes he can defeat Trump, who is expected to announce a 2024 campaign for the White House on Tuesday, Pence replied: “Well, that would be for others to say, and it’d be for us to decide whether or not we’d want to test that.”
And asked whether he believes his former boss should serve again as president, Pence said: “I think that’s up to the American people. But I think we’ll have better choices in the future. People in this country actually get along pretty well once you get out of politics. And I think they want to see their national leaders start to reflect that same, that same compassion and generosity of spirit. And I think, so in the days ahead, I think there will be better choices.”
“And for me and my family, we will be reflecting about what our role is in that,” he added.
The former vice president has been coy about his plans for 2024, but he has long been viewed as a potential aspirant for the Republican presidential nomination. Any formally declared bid, though, would almost certainly face strong opposition from Trump, whose supporters he would need in a primary fight.
When pressed by Muir as to why Trump didn’t take action sooner to stop the violence at the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, Pence said he “can’t account for what the president was doing” that day, and told ABC that he never heard from Trump or the White House on January 6.
The former vice president, who was at the Capitol on January 6 as the violence unfolded, said he “felt no fear. I was filled with indignation about what I saw.”
Pence, echoing an excerpt of his book published last week in The Wall Street Journal, described how he disagreed with his Secret Service lead agent, who initially wanted the vice president to leave the Capitol building. As a compromise, Pence was taken to the loading dock, which he was told was more secure, but found the motorcade positioned to leave the Capitol.
“They were walking us for the motorcade with the doors on our Suburban open on either side. And I saw that they had positioned vehicles on the ramp. And I just turned to my Secret Service lead and said, ‘I’m not getting in that car’ … I just assumed that if we got in the car and close those 200-pound doors that not my team in the loading dock, but that somebody maybe back at Secret Service headquarters would simply give the driver an order to go,” Pence recalled.
“I just didn’t want those rioters to see the vice president’s motorcade speeding away from Capitol Hill. I didn’t want to give them that satisfaction,” he added.
Pence is set to participate in a CNN town hall on Wednesday, the day after the release of his forthcoming autobiography “So Help Me God.” The town hall, moderated by CNN Anchor and Chief Washington Correspondent Jake Tapper, will take place in New York City and is scheduled for 9 p.m. ET.
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Former Vice President Mike Pence said he believed there were “better choices” than Donald Trump should the former president go forward with plans to announce a new bid for the White House this week.
Pence was asked Monday if he thought Trump should ever be president again in an interview with ABC’s David Muir that aired Monday.
“I think that’s up to the American people,” Pence replied. “But I think we’ll have better choices in the future. … People in this country actually get along pretty well once you get out of politics. And I think they want to see their national leaders start to reflect that same compassion and generosity of spirit.”
The interview came a day before the release of Pence’s memoir about his career and time in the White House, “So Help Me God.”
Trump is also widely expected to announced a new bid for the White House on Tuesday, despite concerns among the GOP about backing him as their preferred candidate following Republicans’ dismal results in last week’s midterm elections.
Pence himself is a likely 2024 candidate and said in the interview Monday he was giving a White House bid “prayerful consideration.” Muir asked if Pence thought he’d be able to beat Trump should he launch his own 2024 campaign for the Oval Office.
“Well, that would be for others to say, and it’d be for us to decide whether or not we’d want to test that,” the former vice president replied.
Pence’s remarks are a sharp departure from his almost universal support of Trump while the pair were in office. He said the then-president was “reckless” in the lead-up to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection and “decided to be part of the problem” as the attack unfolded.
“The president’s words were reckless and his actions were reckless,” Pence said, adding he was “angry” when Trump tweeted that the vice president “didn’t have the courage” to block the certification of the 2020 Electoral College votes.
“The president’s words that day at the rally endangered me and my family and everyone at the Capitol building,” Pence told Muir.
Members of the mob that stormed the halls of Congress chanted “Hang Mike Pence” at times. Pence said he couldn’t account for Trump’s actions on Jan. 6, as he wasn’t at the White House and didn’t hear from the president during the Capitol riot.
“That’d be a good question for him,” Pence told Muir when asked why Trump didn’t act sooner to stop the violent assault.
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Former Vice President Mike Pence said the he, his family and everyone at the Capitol’s safety was endangered by former President Donald Trump’s “reckless” comments on January 6 last year, marking his latest public criticism of Trump at a time when some Republicans are beginning to ask if his election denial played a role in the party’s poor midterm performance.
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In an excerpt of an ABC News interview that aired Sunday evening, Pence said he was “angered” by Trump’s tweet which blamed the former vice president for not having the “courage” to overturn the election results.
After seeing the tweet Pence said he turned to his daughter and told her that it “doesn’t take courage to break the law” but courage was needed to uphold it.
Pence also condemned Trump’s “reckless” comments and actions at the “Stop the Steal” rally in Washington hours before the capitol riots, adding “it was clear he decided to be part of the problem.”
Pence is set to release his memoir “So Help Me God” on Tuesday, the same day Trump has promised a “very big announcement”—widely expected to be his formal announcement for a 2024 Presidential Run.
In his memoir Pence writes after he told Trump he doesn’t have the power under the constitution to choose which votes to accept or reject, to which the former president responded: “You’re too honest…Hundreds and thousands are gonna hate your guts… People are going to think you are stupid.” Pence adds that he said the same thing once again on January 6 to which Trump responded: “You’ll go down as a wimp…If you do that, I made a big mistake five years ago!”
Speaking at a ‘Stop the Steal’ rally in Washington hours before the Capitol riots Trump called out Pence saying his vice president “is going to have to come through for us.” After Pence did not make an effort to stop the certification, Trump tweeted “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.” As thousands of Trump’s supporters stormed into the Capitol premises that day many chanted “Hang Mike Pence,” as he had to be scurried away to a safe location. In the past few days several other Republican leaders have begun to question Trump’s influence on the party amid concerns that his election denialism may have played a key role in the party’s poor midterm performance.
Trump’s words on 1/6 ‘endangered me and my family and everyone at the Capitol’ (ABC News)
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When is Donald Trump going to announce his third bid for the White House? No one, including him, seems to know. On Monday, he reportedly scared the crap out of Republican leadership by threatening to kick off his candidacy the night before the midterms. That did not end up happening, but at a rally in Ohio he suggested it might next week.
Speaking to the crowd that was, in theory, there for Senate candidate J.D. Vance, Trump said: “This is the year we’re going to take back the House. We’re going to take back the Senate, and we’re going to take back America, and in 2024, most importantly, we are going to take back our magnificent White House.” He added, “I’m going to be making a very big announcement on Tuesday, November 15, at Mar-a-Lago, in Palm Beach, Florida.”
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Of course, it’s possible that Trump’s forthcoming announcement has nothing to do with his expected presidential bid—maybe he’s just going to unveil a new breakfast offering at the Mar-a-Lago buffet!—but there’s at least one reason November 15 makes a lot of sense. As Insider notes, that’s the same day that Mike Pence’s memoir, So Help Me God, is scheduled to be released, and Trump is nothing if not a petty little man who’d take great pleasure in stealing the limelight from the vice president he said deserved chants calling for him to be hanged for not overturning the 2020 election. Another reason he may announce sooner rather than later would be to get ahead of a criminal indictment from the Justice Department that his lawyers reportedly believe could be coming.
While Trump seemingly retains an iron grip on the Republican Party, and there are certainly people—for instance, Matt Gaetz—who can’t wait to see him make another run for the White House, others are less than enthused. Last month, former House Speaker Paul Ryan predicted, “Trump’s unelectability will be palpable by” 2024. “We all know he will lose,” he said. “Or let me put it this way: We all know he’s much more likely to lose the White House than anybody else running for president on our side of the aisle. So why would we want to go with that?”
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Former Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday wouldn’t say if he would vote for Donald Trump if he ran for president again.
After Pence gave a speech at the conservative Young America’s Foundation at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., a student asked him: “If Donald Trump is the Republican nominee for president in 2024, will you vote for him?”
There were audible gasps and murmurs from the audience.
“Well, there might be somebody else I’d prefer more,” Pence said, setting off a round of applause. “What I can tell you is I have every confidence that the Republican Party is going to sort out leadership. All my focus has been on the midterm elections and it will stay that way for the next 20 days.”
“But after that, we’ll be thinking about the future. Ours and the nations. And I’ll keep you posted,” Pence added.
Pence has declined to reveal whether he’s running for president in 2024, though he’s made multiple visits to early primary states to make speeches and campaign with GOP candidates.
A rift has opened between Trump and Pence in the wake of the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection, when an angry mob of Trump’s supporters laid siege to the U.S. Capitol and threatened to hang Pence because he declined to help Trump attempt a coup.
Pence had to be evacuated from the Senate chamber during the riot. Members of his security detail have said they feared for their lives during the ordeal.
Trump was apparently apathetic about the death threats his vice president received. In a March 2021 interview, he defended his supporters when asked about their threats to Pence. “The people were very angry,” Trump said.
Trump confirmed in March this year that Pence would not be his running mate if he decided to throw his hat in the ring in 2024.
“I don’t think the people would accept it,” Trump said at the time. “Mike and I had a great relationship except for the very important factor that took place at the end,” he added, referring to Pence’s refusal to help him overturn a democratic election.
While Pence has often defended policy achievements of the Trump administration, he’s stood firmly by his decision regarding the election certification and said on multiple occasions that Trump was wrong to think that the vice president had the authority to overturn the results.
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