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  • ‘Here Lies Love’: David Byrne and Director Snehai Desai on Adapting the Dance Musical for L.A.’s Taper, and Why Imelda Marcos’ Story Nervously Parallels Contemporary America

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    Fascism has arrived and settled into Los Angeles. And before you say “Tell us something we don’t already know,” this refers to the opening on this coast of “Here Lies Love,” the David Byrne-created musical about the Philippines’ dictatorial First Lady, Imelda Marcos, now getting its L.A. premiere at the Mark Taper Forum. A whole different set of audiences is being posed with the musical question: Do disco balls and martial law mix?

    During the show’s 2023 Broadway run, SRO audiences were encouraged to dance in place and ponder despots at the same time — a greater disassotiative challenge than walking and chewing gum at the same time, but hardly an insurmountable one. For this engagement (just opened, and newly extended through April 6), the audience remains seated, since ripping seats out for ironic boogieing was a bridge too far for a Music Center venue. The good news: “Here Lies Love” remains one of the most intriguing and rewarding “rock musicals” ever to emerge from the brain of a major pop figure. And that’s with or without the innovative staging that caused New York theatergoers to have to use their brains to figure out which way to move as ushers literally directed traffic on a constantly shifting dance floor.

    Byrne admits that he never foresaw the musical being produced without the constant audience participation that has been a part of all previous productions. But he’s not objecting to it being done as more of a traditional proscenium musical in L.A., mind you… just wondering if the impact will be the same.

    “I’m very curious how the non-immersive staging will work,” Byrne tells Variety, in an email interview about the Taper production. He’s busy overseas with his acclaimed “Who Is the Sky?” tour — a traveling show that has its own revolutionary sense of invention — so he will have to get reports on how well this version has weathered a less radicalized treatment. “The immersive disco setting put the audience in the position of the Philippine people, and that worked,” he says, “so I’m curious if that connection will still happen.”

    Initial audience and critic responses have been highly favorable, including among those who have some experience of previous presentations, which stretch back to an initial off-Broadway run at New York’s Public in 2013. The direction of this version has been undertaken by the man who directs the Center Theatre Group as an institution: CTG artistic director Snehal Desai. He’s wanted to direct “Here Lies Love” since he saw it at the Public 13 years ago. And once he took the reins of the Music Center venues, he came to believe that the Mark Taper Forum was immersive enough. It does have the western United States’ most famous thrust stage, after all, so the line between audience and actors is more thinly drawn even on a normal night out in the up-close-and-personal, 739-seat space.

    Says Desai, “When I saw the show in 2013 at the Public, I was just so taken with it — taken with the experience of it, but also just the storytelling and the sung-through format. You’re there for this kind of disco party celebration where you’re kind of like, ‘Well, I know this isn’t a good person. What am I doing?’ The complicity [with Imelda and Ferdinand Marcos] is happening, and then the rug is pulled out, and suddenly, what was a kind of a party turns into almost a rally. I viscerally remember that experience.

    “When I saw it at the Public, everyone was standing,” the director notes. “But then when it went to Broadway, I experienced it from the seats.” (The balcony of the Broadway Theatre remained intact, and a few elevated mezzanine rows were constructed on either side of the so-called dance floor.) “And I was like, ‘Oh, the storytelling still works.’

    “The thing about the Taper is, it doesn’t have that fourth-wall separation. We’re all in the same room. When someone gets up to go to the bathroom, everyone notices everything! So I was like, I think we can tell the story in this space, and we don’t have to rip out the seats, but we can activate the entire Taper. We can have different areas [amid the audience] where we stage things, and then we can still have moments where we invite folks to stand up and join with us, or maybe have a few members come on stage so that it can lend itself to the experience. But it doesn’t have to be fully immersive in the way that it was at the Public. Because both times I watched it, I thought, ‘This whole element of it is fun, it’s intriguing, but there’s no reason this couldn’t be staged traditionally, either.’”

    Aura Mayari and the company of HERE LIES LOVE at the Mark Taper Forum.

    Jeff Lorch

    With everyone seated on a rake, Desai didn’t think it still made sense to pretend the night is starting out inside an actual 1970s disco, as in New York. Changing that opening locale offered a chance to do something even more specifically Filipino, he thought, after consulting with the mostly AAPI creative team. “We knew we’re not gonna make it so everyone’s moving around the whole time. But how can we make it a space particularly that, particularly to the Filipino community, is a world they recognize. That’s where my scenic designer said, ‘You know, the show lends itself to these noontime variety shows that they have in the Philippines. There are these long-running shows that are oftentimes multi hours, with a variety-show feel, and there’s a host who’s holding everything together.’ And I thought, ‘That might be it. We can be a noontime variety show format.’ Then the audience is a studio audience, invited still to interact like a studio audience is, but we’re not fully in a club disco world the whole time.”

    That entailed the Taper’s dramaturg writing up one new character not in previous productions, the drag-queen TV host, Imeldific (Aura Mayari, of Season 15 of “RuPaul’s Drag Race”), who provides a bit of spoken scene-setting near the beginning to help familiarize the audience with the milieu, in a musical that is for all intents and purposes sung-through. (Projections with names, dates and pertinent historical details also help provide context that the songs alone can’t.) But the new emcee doesn’t substantially change the show, and it doesn’t stay in either a disco or a TV studio for long. Desai points out what a logistical challenge “Here Lies Love” is to design and direct, in any setting: “It’s a crazy show. There’s 31 songs and there’s 30 transitions” — all in a very fast-moving hour and a half, with no intermission.

    Chris Renfro, Reanne Acasio, and the company of HERE LIES LOVE at the Mark Taper Forum.

    Jeff Lorch

    Given all those possible speed bumps — from having to establish core historical facts while crooning is occurring, to rapid-fire scene and costume changes that often seem to be happening even faster than the b.p.m. pace set up by Byrne’s and Fatboy Slim’s busy score — the Taper production has not only met most of the standards of previous productions but established some new ones. The dancing on stage is more vigorous and exciting than ever, as if William Carlos Angulo, the choreographer, felt that he had to make up for the lack of participatory audience dancing (or shuffling) by making what the cast is doing that much more vivacious. David Byrne fans make up one natural audience for the show, and Filipinos another. But if anyone who doesn’t give a whoop about Talking Heads or the Phillipines comes in wanting the traditional virtues of costume and dance — and maybe some head-turning whiplash as the action moves around the audience — this “Here Lies Love” has the effect of offering show-biz enchantments even for those less intrigued by its exotic aspects.

    But, with apologies to Tracy Chapman, we are talkin’ about a revolution. So how is the show’s political relevance holding up in 2026?

    Talk about a loaded question: Even if you’ve followed the course of the show back not just to its first staging but to Byrne’s original 2010 concept double-album, there will be plenty of moments in this production of “Here Lies Love” where you may have to defy your instinctual feeling that this was written in the last few years as an allegory.

    Says Byrne, “I’m aware there’s a huge Filipino community in L.A .and around, so the show should resonate for them — it’s their history. Some may look on the People Power revolution as a positive example for the world (I do), while others will be Marcos loyalists (guess who is back in power!).” That last remark refers to Bongbong Marcus, son of the late Imelda and Ferdinand, who now leads the country, not so many decades after his parents were forcefully driven out of it.

    Byrne continues, “I hope non-Filipinos will see some parallels in the show — how populist leaders can actually sometimes deliver on their promises — but there is the danger of seducing the public and holding on to power too long.

    “The story has sadly remained relevant beyond the Philippines,” Byrne adds. “Without giving too much away, the peaceful People Power revolution that ousted a corrupt dictator and his wife is hugely encouraging — it has been done before and can be done again.” And he leaves the obvious contemporary parallels as that, for now.

    JeffLorenz Garrido, Joshua Dela Cruz, and Garrick Goce Macatangay in HERE LIES LOVE at the Mark Taper Forum.

    Jeff Lorch

    Desai is more explicit about the reverberations this has for any audience in the present day — which are likely to be received with appreciative nods in L.A. If the show were being staged somewhere deep in MAGA country, it might start to become as uncomfortable for them as it is for Claudius in “Hamlet” when he just sits down to watch a nice play… even if its take on the Marcoses was all conceived during the Obama years.

    Desai was in rehearsals when we first spoke with him last month. “As we’re rehearsing right now, there is a big march happening here in downtown L.A.,” he said. “And literally every day as we work on this show, what we’re seeing in this country is kind of the fascist dictators’ playbook, right? Don Lemon just got arrested. It’s press that they’re really going after today. Yesterday was about the censorship that’s coming out with TikTok now changing ownership. A few days before, it was the front lines in Minneapolis. The people who have been leading the fight are the clergy, and even the Pope has spoken out. So a lot of the things that are happening are running very parallel to what happened in the Philippines during the Marcos regime. And we know that this wanting to enact censorship and martial law in this country is something that this president wants.

    “So what I loved about this musical is, I felt that I went on a journey and experience, but I left reminded that I can empower myself and we can all empower ourselves by coming together, by rallying together. And you know, I didn’t think when we planned this a year ago exactly how far we would be in terms of the moment of what’s happening nationally.”

    One sensitivity any time “Here Lies Love” has been produced has been to the sensibilities of parts of the Filipino community that may suspect the show is a glorification of the Marcoses (although, as Byrne said, a few might welcome that), given how few musicals have ultimately unsympathetic characters in the leads. In the Taper production, you can feel Imelda being given some sharp and brittle edges earlier into her girlhood scenes than she was on Broadway, where she was a little more mistakable for a Disney princess in her opening reading of the title song, before she increasingly breaks bad. A lot of community outreach was done in New York to make sure that most in the Filipino community who were engaged “got” it, and were able to take pride in a show with an all-Filipino cast and primarily Filipino behind-the-scenes team, even if the Marcoses hardly prompt pride.

    Snehal Desai

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    “I think the story is the start of the conversation, right?” says the director. “We have worked really hard, particularly in the second act, to make sure this is not meant to glamorize anyone. And if anything, the folks who have the arc of the journey, who have the change, are the community that leads to the People Power revolution. So Imelda, Marcos and Aquino (a more heroic figure in the action), they don’t have full redemptive arcs like traditional musical characters, which is something David and I talked a lot about. But someone needs to, so that it’s a fulfilling experience.” It’s an interesting conceit: Although the show has some secondary characters to root for, the real hero and protagonist is the long-suffering, eventually triumphant chorus line, as it were — a chorale that gets the last word in the show, when the neo-disco rhythms give way to a beautiful power-to-the-people folk song.

    “L.A. is the home to the largest Filipino community outside of the Philippines,” points out Desai, who himself has Indian heritage. “As an artistic producer, this is I think the fifth project I’ve worked on that is a Filipino story. There is an amazing community, but then Filipino artists, it’s like they grow up eating and drinking musical theater as well as karaoke and stuff like that, and they’re just such great performers. So this was one of the easiest casting processes — easy in that I had many, many options of who we could cast for this show. I wasn’t like, ‘Oh my God, where’s my Imelda?’ I could have cast the show so many times over.”

    There are a few people in the cast with previous “Here Lies Love” experience: “Joan Almedilla, who’s our Aurora, was actually one of the first performers that David called when, after the concept album came out, she performed in the Carnegie Hall concerts they did. Then as Imelda we have Reanne Acasio, who was on Broadway playing Aurora and then was the Imelda understudy. We have Carol Angeli, who plays Estrella, and then Joshua Dela Cruz (as Aquino), who was involved when the show was at Williamstown. So we have artists who are involved with the show in all different gestations of its life. And then the rest of the company is L.A. actors who are just phenomenal voices…

    “The design team is predominantly Filipino. Our music director is Filipino. Our dramaturg is. The process was made to make sure that we incorporated as many voices as possible, including so many folks who had their own personal experiences of experiencing martial law or knowing family members who were impacted… And you’ll hear a lot more Tagalog in the storytelling. There’s some traditional Filipino folk dancing that makes an appearance, some tinkering with things like that. I wanted it to feel like an environment that the community would recognize and see themselves reflected in. And the costumes do that a lot, too.”

    Reanne Acasio and the company of HERE LIES LOVE at the Mark Taper Forum.

    Jeff Lorch

    Other tinkering involved adding a bit of music not heard in the Broadway version. “One of the things that was part of the show, but we’re now bringing back as a refrain or reprise, is ‘American Troglodyte,’ which is the song that opens the show. As the opening song, it’s really rousing. But you’re like, ‘Wait, what are you saying? I’m a little uncomfortable.’ And you see that song and that phrase kind of go on its own journey, when it’s first a part of a big disco number and the second time when it’s just sung a cappella directly to you. And then there are two songs that weren’t in there, brought in from David’s concept album. ‘Never So Big’ is a song with Estrella, who is Imelda’s nanny and housekeeper but also confidante, whom Imelda ultimately turns her back on. We wanted to make sure that that throughline was there, because the whole show was created as a song cycle between those two women, originally. And the other added song is ‘Whole Man,’ which comes in at the end. I wanted a moment where you saw a little bit of Imelda unraveling, but no one really questioning it, and then I also wanted a second just to show Aquino sitting in a jail cell for seven years while she’s out in the world philosophizing about love and beauty.

    “With this show, you’re kind of like shot out of a cannon, especially if you’re new to the story. It doesn’t stop. And so it was a little bit of, like, where can we put in some of these moments where we can just give everyone a second to reflect and breathe, and also have these characters on stage have a moment for us to have connection or stillness, before we get into the next chapter of things.”

    Byrne, for his part, is happy to see this production happening, even if he probably won’t get to see it. “Sadly I won’t be around for the opening; my tour dates were already set and tickets on sale.” But, he says, “Selfishly, yes, if this works, I’m sure other theaters will be watching and will want to pick it up. The music and the karaoke-style vocals are not typical for Broadway-style musicals, so that could be a plus for some demographics as well. A key ingredient is the sound: it should really sound like a club, plenty of low end and groove, which is also atypical for Broadway.”

    He didn’t give up on the show finding a wider in the audience in the 13 years between concept album and Broadway, and he’s not seeing an end in sight for it now. “I believe it has plenty of life left,” Byrne says. “Look at all the pop artists who have done disco and dance music records in the last few years! And the story, as you say, is maybe more close to home and relevant than ever.”

    “Here Lies Love” runs at the Mark Taper Forum through April 5. Tickets can be found at centertheatregroup.org.

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  • Alex Edelman on Bringing ‘Just for Us’ to L.A.’s Mark Taper, and Why It Feels Right to Do a Comedic Piece About Jewish Identity Amid Darker Times

    Alex Edelman on Bringing ‘Just for Us’ to L.A.’s Mark Taper, and Why It Feels Right to Do a Comedic Piece About Jewish Identity Amid Darker Times

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    Southern California comedy aficionados have experienced some FOMO when it comes to on-and-off L.A. resident Alex Edelman having become the toast of the town in New York theater circles with his one-man show, “Just for Us.” One of the most celebrated younger stars of comedy, Edelman performed parts of what would turn into the theater piece while doing stand-up in L.A., premiered it overseas in 2018, and then had “Just for Us” turn into a hot off-Broadway ticket in 2022 before doing a limited Broadway run this past summer. In its east coast engagement, the show was visited by, and got the blessing of, virtually every god of comedy imaginable, seemingly fixing a place for Edelman in the future firmament once and for all.

    As for L.A.’s question of “what about us?” for “Just for Us,” the city’s turn has come. Edelman’s show is opening this weekend at the Mark Taper Forum, where it will enjoy a two-week run through Nov. 26 — tickets can be found here — before moving on to his true hometown of Boston Dec. 15-17. It’s good news all around: The Taper, which some months back had its annual season called off, gets to have the lights turned back on for a marquee engagement, and comedy fans and theatergoers get to also not be dark for an evening, or at least not as dark, given the cloudier condition of the world at present.

    “Just for Us” is uniquely positioned to evoke and possibly transcend any current gloom, as it has antisemitism as one of its central subjects, along with other issues of identity. As Edelman explains the central true-life story around which the show revolves, “I go to this meeting of white nationalists in Queens, and on one hand, I only get in that door because I am white. But if they know that I’m Jewish, then that question becomes a little complicated, right?” He promises that the show, while mostly fixed in place from what New York theatergoers might have seen, does now at least touch on what’s happening in the Middle East and its reverberations here.

    Beth Lapides, who watched elements of the show develop at her monthly UnCabaret shows in the late 2010s, recalls how captivating the story was, as Edelman shared it with small audiences: “It was one of those stories you could feel the bigness of immediately. I even reached out about expanding it into a film, which is something I almost never do,” she says. “One thing that’s so interesting about it is the actual (white nationalist) meeting he went to was probably not much longer than the show itself. So it’s a way of seeing all of life during this one very condensed event. So many stories are about contracting time and this one is about expanding time. Which scientifically is what pain killers — and laughter — do.” 

    Edelman talked about how the topical relevance is affecting performances of “Just for Us,” and what it was like getting advice about the show from the likes of Steve Martin, Billy Crystal and Jerry Seinfeld, in a phone interview with Variety leading up to this weekend’s Taper premiere.

    Is there anything special to you about doing the show in L.A., given that you started to slowly develop it here before taking it to European festivals and, eventually, Broadway?

    The show sort of incubated here across the street [from the Taper] at Au Lac, where UnCabaret used to be. And the first time I told the story that’s at the spine of the show was to friends on the porch of a little house in Beachwood Canyon, while I was living here, and then I told it at storytelling nights. It’s a thing that happened to me in New York, as I was sort of in the process of moving out to L.A. — but its roots as a piece of storytelling, and as a piece of theater, are here. So this is a thing that belongs to L.A. as much as anything else I’ve ever done. And more than anything else, the Taper is just a really cool space to do it in. I’m really cheesed. From Broadway to here, this being the first run, really, since Broadway… There aren’t a lot of things that you could do that would feel even a little bit of a level up from Broadway, but this really does feel like that.

    The timing of seeing a show that deals with antisemitism right now won’t be lost on a soul in the audience.

    Doing it right now in this time feels so different, where people are looking at what it means to be Jewish right now more than they have in my lifetime, so to be doing a show about Jewish identity, and antisemitism, in part… I did two shows in San Francisco before this, and I’ve never had audiences that were more engaged and charged. You can feel the energy in the room. And it’s a nice energy. Comedy is all about the building and release of tension…

    Is there a way to directly mention current events or the changed tenor of the times in the show, or do you let the text exist in a fixed state?

    It gets addressed. Shows, I think, should be a living thing. You have to strike a balance between making a show timeless and making a show timely. It’s a really difficult balance to strike. Because shows are snapshots of moments, right? But also, there are artistic statements that should be both self-contained and in dynamic conversations with the world around them. So, yeah, there’s some stuff that’s changed because of it — some stuff that’s gone in, some stuff that’s come out.

    There was a show that was on — I won’t say where or when — which had been announced before a big news event happened. And then the news event, which was very related to the show, which was related to the show’s topicality, occurred. And the comedian came out and the first thing they told the audience was: “The show is exactly how it was before this big event.” And I think that’s disappointing for an audience… So, yeah, the show’s in conversation with the time that it’s living in.

    When you did the show in San Francisco, did you find people want to laugh even more, or was there any process of them needing a minute to feel OK finding some mirth amid what’s going on? What was the energy you were picking up?

    People are grateful. You know, I feel a little guilty abpiut how grateful people are and desperate for something to laugh at. But, also, it helped me hugely, because I’m hurting too. Doing the show was not an easy thing in San Francisco. And then I found that I needed the show as badly as anyone who needed to laugh. So I did the show pretty much with a grin on my face from ear to ear the entire time. Now I’m trying to be like, “Hey, wind it back a little bit! It’s affecting the ups and downs of the show, given that you’re feeling so up.” But the news was so depressing and so upsetting, and so getting to a place where I was laughing and enjoying myself for the first time in several weeks was as good for me as it was for the audience.

    You’ve said previously that this was a show where you wanted to address identity issues having to do with Jewishness and whiteness, and kind of a spectrum of things within that, including obviously antisemitism, without ever wanting to bring a sense of victimhood into it.

    I mean, look, I don’t feel like a victim as a Jew. I don’t feel it in my heart that I’m naturally victimized. But also, the circumstances of the world and the way that Jews are perceived are at odds with that, sometimes. You know, some people feel like victims and they’re not, and some people feel like they’re not victims and maybe they are I think that we live in a world that is obsessed — not entirely incorrectly, of course — with victimhood and victimhood narratives. And so, I was curious about having that conversation, and also making that element slightly more dynamic and unusual than some people might think it would be at first blush. Does that make sense?

    In L.A., up until now, probably the most direct exposure any of the pieces of this show had were when you did a condensed version of it as part of the UnCabaret 25th anniversary show at the Theatre at Ace Hotel, five years ago now, prior to Broadway or anything like that.

    That was a fun show. I love UnCabaret. And also, I’m a big comedy fan. Like, a big piece of the show is about other comedians, and comedy in general. This show has brought me closer to so many of my comedy heroes. Like, Seinfeld’s coming to see it, and Steve Martin’s coming to see it, and fucking the day after the show opened on Broadway, I got a call from Norman Lear, who was like, “These reviews!” He’s so nice, and I’ve gotten just such great encouragement from Mel Brooks and other comedy folks. And UnCabaret in 2018 was part of that too, because Patton Oswalt was there, and fucking Odenkirk; I went on after Bob Odenkirk, and I was so excited…

    Speaking of those comedy heroes, from reading about your New York runs off- and on Broadway, you had a parade of sort of the gods all coming by to bestow their blessings, and people who you would assume don’t always impress easily. We read where you said you got notes from some of the greats, and I thought, well, could that come off as patronizing, if people are giving you notes. But then I saw that you were asking for notes, so it wasn’t unsolicited advice. It was stuff you really wanted to hear from people.

    Oh my god, of course. If you have have the opportunity to get notes from people like fuckin’ Jerry Seinfeld, you have to take it, right? And so I was asking. Also, you know what? Not to be an asshole, but compliments are very nice, but you don’t know if a compliment is real. A compliment is really sweet, but all a compliment does is help your ego. And what if my show has jokes in it from Steve Martin and Mike Birbiglia in it now? Notes are the helpful thing. Billy Crystal told me to switch from a handheld microphone to a head microphone. And frankly, I don’t know that the show would be a Broadway offering without that little change, because I was so resistant to making it. And Billy, I think, really likes the show, because he’s seen it twice and he’s gonna come see it again in L.A. I don’t think he would see it again if he hated it. But that note… What an idiot I would be if I didn’t want the advice of my peers and my betters. Please, go ahead and patronize me! If you can patronize me and give me some constructive criticism, then I’m all here for it. I’m not proud.

    Thanks for sharing what note Billy Crystal gave you. Would it give anything away to ask what advice Seinfeld or Steve Martin gave you that you were able to take?

    Steve Martin gave me a tag for a joke that’s one of the bigger laughs in the show. And, Seinfeld told me to take something out that was getting a laugh, but wasn’t worth the momentum that it lost. It was a laugh, but it traded something else in the show for the laugh — a quality that made the show less sophisticated. It was a really good cut, and it was a note that he gave to me locally for that one spot, but I applied it across the whole show and it made the whole show better.

    In comparing “stand-up” versus the theatrical “one-man show,” as they’re traditionally thought of… how big is the difference, to you? You have spent a lot of time thinking about the theatricality of it, even though there’s not a lot you’re doing, obviously, with sets and props. Would you say you are embracing it as a theatrical experience in a big way, or do you think of it as anything like an elevated form of stand-up?

    I mean, I think stand-up has the capacity to be anything. Stand-up can be theater, or it can be cabaret, or it can be music, or… I think I have a very expansive definition of what stand-up is. But a lot of people come to the show and they’re like, “You know, I don’t like stand-up, but I like this.” Or, “I don’t like theater, but I like this.” I wanted to make something that was both things. So the show is stand-up, in the sense that, like, there are jokes every couple of seconds. But also, it’s got the arc and dramatic heft of theater, because of people like Adam Brace [the show’s late director], and because of the help of someone like Mike Birbiglia, its original producer in New York. And so the answer is, it’s both.

    I’ve tried very hard to keep it in touch with its stand-up roots. Every single joke was worked out in a comedy club in New York or L.A. or on the road in places like Madison, Wisconsin. But, hopefully at this point in the process, years in, we’ve figured out a way to square the circle there and make it both things. It took a long time. You know, there was a point in the show, at the beginning of the run, where it was too stand-uppy. And then there was a point right before the show transferred from its off-Broadway runs to Washington, D.C., where, frankly, I thought it wasn’t as fast and pacey as it should have been. So, ultimately, we found a nice middle ground for Broadway, and I think that it was reflected in the reception.

    And the audience in L.A., some of whom saw bits of this in its origins, gets to benefit from having Broadway as a full test run for the Taper.

    I’m really amped to do it. I couldn’t ask for more — truly, truly, truly.

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