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  • Melissa Broder Finds Absurdist Humor in Tragedy

    Melissa Broder Finds Absurdist Humor in Tragedy

    In the winter of 2021, Melissa Broder was driving through Baker, California—a sparsely populated Mojave Desert town best known as home to what was once the World’s Tallest Thermometer—when the first line of her new novel, Death Valley, out October 3, came to her: “I pull into the desert town at sunset feeling empty.”

    “I was trying to escape this feeling of anticipatory grief,” the 44-year-old author says, over Zoom, of the pilgrimages she made that year between her hometown of Los Angeles and Las Vegas, where her sister lives. “But you can’t escape a feeling, because the feeling’s inside you.”

    A little over a year before that fateful drive through Baker, Broder’s father had been in a car accident outside of Philadelphia that landed him in the ICU for six months before he died. Her emotional landscape during that time, which coincided with the height of the Covid-19 crisis, became a springboard for Death Valley. The novel follows an unnamed writer’s journey to (and through) the high desert as she attempts to glean inspiration for her next project and escape her murky grief-haze.

    On a hike, the writer stumbles upon a behemoth cactus—the kind that shouldn’t exist in the area—and, through a gash in its side, enters it. Inside she encounters a series of lifelike visions of her father and husband during different stages of childhood and adolescence. When she tries to relocate the mystical cactus the next day, she becomes lost in the desert. Visual, sensory, and auditory hallucinations abound: Rocks give advice, rabbits speak aphorisms.

    The details of the writer’s personal life—a father in critical condition in an ICU across the country; a husband whose chronic illness is worsening—mirror those of Broder’s during the time of writing. Like her character, Broder did once find herself lost in the Mojave Desert (albeit for a much shorter time). But she sees Death Valley as a send-up of autofiction. “When I was recording the audiobook,” she remembers, “One of the engineers was like, ‘Is this a true story?’ and I was like, ‘Yes. I entered a giant cactus and encountered my husband in his youth.’”

    After working as a book publicist and releasing collections of poetry, Broder burst onto the literary scene in 2015 upon revealing herself as the voice behind the well-loved Twitter account @SoSadToday—a series of pithy insights on depression, anxiety, and existential angst, which she adapted into an eponymous essay collection in 2016. The Pisces (2019), her first foray into fiction, tells the story of a heartbroken PhD student’s all-consuming affair with a merman, while Milk Fed (2021) centers around a calorie-obsessed woman’s infatuation with an Orthodox Jewish frozen yogurt clerk. Her narrators are witty and cerebral, prone to fixation, connected by a desire to escape the discomfort of being human by any means necessary: food (or lack thereof), substances, love, excursions to remote desert towns.

    Death Valley—at its core, a story about love and survival—is perhaps Broder’s most personal work yet. The writer’s surreal journey through the desert can be read as a parable for the process of navigating anticipatory grief, with the desert and its numinous oases echoing her psychological landscape. “Being lost in the desert and being lost in the interior landscape of grief have a lot of parallels,” Broder says, “Because we are not in control. We can’t wish grief away any more than we could wish to not be lost in the desert. That being said, there is beauty to be found in both of those barren landscapes.”

    In conversation with Vanity Fair, she discusses her thoughts on spirituality, her changing relationship with the internet, her favorite modes of literary divination, and more.

    This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.

    The narrator of Death Valley comes upon an oasis in the form of a giant cactus—and you’ve spoken about the metaphysical oases that often arrive through grief. What kinds of oases did you encounter during your own grieving process?

    The last day I saw my father, he had finally made it out of the ICU and gotten to a rehab. He was still on a feeding tube, but he was off the ventilator. I had been flying back to the East Coast every couple of weeks to see him, but it was still COVID. We were wearing masks, and at one point, when he had pneumonia, we had to wear hazmat suits. That was the first time I was able to touch him and hold his hand. I remember touching his wrist and thinking, I could just sit here forever. It was the most profound…it was almost as though time had stopped. Talk about an oasis. I didn’t know that would be our last visit, but it was perfect. I FaceTimed my sister, and he thought she was in the room. He died the next morning.

    Annabel Graham

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  • Luke Kirby Felt “Destined” to End Lenny Bruce That Way on ‘The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel’

    Luke Kirby Felt “Destined” to End Lenny Bruce That Way on ‘The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel’

    This post contains spoilers for The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel’s series finale. 

    The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel’s Lenny Bruce has always been dreamy. Sprinkled like pixie dust across 16 episodes of the show’s five seasons, Luke Kirby transformed the real-life comedian into an irresistibly tortured “fairy godmother” of stand-up to Rachel Brosnahan’s Midge. 

    Scenes between the pair, crackling with chemistry, hold that same dreamlike quality—their interactions existing in a bubble outside of reality. But in the series finale, when Susie Myerson (Alex Borstein) encounters a rambling, rumpled Lenny Bruce at a San Francisco comedy club in 1965, that bubble is beyond punctured. And for the first time since playing Bruce, Kirby was meant to bomb. “It was a little alarming to suddenly be met with silence and coughs, but I felt like it was definitely appropriate,” Kirby tells Vanity Fair. “As much fun as it’s been to exhibit this man for all of his charm and magnetism, and for somebody who aligned himself so much with an idea around truth, there is another truth that we had to address.”

    Kirby brings some of Lenny’s disarming mysticism to a Zoom call about the show’s final season. Petting Big Homer, the curly-haired dog that sits atop his lap, the actor apologizes for his “screwy” internet connection and admits he’s still carrying Lenny inside him. “He’s still lingering around, swirling,” Kirby says wistfully. “He’s been such a good friend to me that I don’t really feel like I have to abandon him. It’s sad, scary to say goodbye to something that does feel so destined to be.”

    Destiny is also top of mind in Midge and Lenny’s final scene. Huddled together in the booth of a Chinese restaurant following their snowed-in tryst from the season four finale, she tries to master the art of an indecipherable autograph as he reads her a gushing fortune cookie message. “You mark my words: Very soon, in the not-too-distant future, you will be paying for the Chinese food,” he says with reverent certainty. She’ll go on to perform a star-making set on the fictional Gordon Ford Show, and he’ll succumb further to the personal demons and substance abuse that have slowly begun to bleed into the Maisel universe. 

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    But the series was never going to depict Lenny’s death on screen, cocreators Amy Sherman-Palladino and Daniel Palladino told Vanity Fair. As Kirby says, “They never wanted to veer into anything that could be interpreted as ghoulish or just making a big thing out of something that really maybe wouldn’t feel earned in the context of the show we’ve made,” adding, “I totally appreciated that and agreed with it. But when I saw what they did, I thought it was really quite beautiful. It, to me, closed the ring on the story of Midge and Lenny.”

    That aforementioned Chinese restaurant scene was the last Kirby filmed on the series, and although the day was “really sad,” it also brought joy. “In one of [Lenny’s] last interviews, there was a recording where he was asked: ‘Why do you do it?’ And he said, ‘Because it’s fun.’ The way he says it is so sincere,” Kirby explains. “I tried to abide by that idea on this job.”

    Kirby’s performance on Maisel has earned him an Emmy for guest actor in a comedy series and a seal of approval from Kitty Bruce—Lenny’s daughter, who gets special acknowledgement in the finale’s credits. “When I was starting to do the research, it felt clear to me that he wasn’t pursuing a career that was designed to stir up trouble, or wreak havoc on the zeitgeist,” the actor says. “He was really somebody who wanted to do comedy, but for whatever reason, his way of being was problematic for certain institutions. Those institutions made it their mission to, if not destroy him, certainly hurt his reputation and his livelihood. And he had to meet that face-on.”

    These days, Kirby is reflective about Lenny’s tenderness, as well as his tenacity. “I do keep coming back to a couple things he said around what it is to be a person. He is the man who said, ‘There are never enough I love yous.’ He’s the man who said, ‘I damn the people who would keep the lovers apart,’” Kirby recalls. “For all of his irreverent comedy and stuff he got in trouble for, to me, it feels like it was rooted in a real love for being alive and for people.”

    In Maisel’s fifth and final season, Lenny appears just twice: in the finale and in the premiere, where Midge runs into an especially disheveled-looking version of the comic at JFK. She vows to not “blow it” with her big break. “I’m gonna hold you to that,” Lenny replies. 

    Savannah Walsh

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  • ‘The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel’ Earns Its Name in the Series Finale

    ‘The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel’ Earns Its Name in the Series Finale

    This post contains spoilers for The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel’s series finale. 

    The four words that gave The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel its name weren’t uttered until the final act of the series finale. Bestowed upon Rachel Brosnahan’s Midge Maisel by Gordon Ford (Reid Scott) after a star-making set on his late-night TV show, the moniker became a symbol of an Upper West Side housewife choosing to become something more.

    “Midge bought into an immature fantasy as a young woman, of house and husband and children and postcards and the right bench and temple and the brisket and ‘the rabbi’s coming, the rabbi is coming.’ That was the be-all, end-all for her,” cocreator Amy Sherman-Palladino told Vanity Fair. “And when she discovered this burning ambition in herself, something she didn’t even know was there, she followed it to the very end.”

    Sherman-Palladino and Daniel Palladino, both real-life and creative partners, are well attuned to the power a show’s final season holds. The pair couldn’t end Gilmore Girls, the beloved series they created and shepherded for six seasons before exiting amidst behind-the-scenes drama, on their own terms. (Netflix’s 2016 revival series allowed them something of a do-over.) When I spoke to the pair, Succession had just killed off Logan Roy—though they practically put their fingers in their ears to resist spoilers. The weekly unfurling of Maisel’s final act caused its own brand of stress: “Every week I’ve got to up the Prozac,” Sherman-Palladino said. “Up the dosage, up the dosage, baby.”

    The Palladinos, who spoke to VF prior to the ongoing writers strike, talked about ending Maisel in a tight five—from tackling Lenny Bruce’s death to dreaming up Midge’s star-studded future.

    Vanity Fair: Much of the season is framed with flash-forwards into Midge’s fame and the ramifications it had on her children. How did you pick which snippets we’d see?

    Daniel Palladino: It was an idea that we had flirted with since season two. We tried something too early, so we felt like we should save it for the last season. Picking and choosing them was just really trial and error. We didn’t want to overdo it, except in episode six, “The Testi-Roastial,” where we did flashbacks within flashbacks.

    Amy Sherman-Palladino: We had so much story to get into this season because we needed to wrap everybody up. It really became, what is the big punch? Because you could think of a bunch of funny flash-forwards that would be entertaining to watch—but what is the story punch? That automatically weeded a few things out. And then a couple got weeded out by the fact that we just did not have enough days. We tried to control time, and they wouldn’t let us do that.

    Palladino: In a nine-episode season, we tend to come up with 11 episodes of stuff, and then we try to pound them into [the allotted number] or we start eliminating. It’s inevitable.

    How much of Midge’s future that we don’t see have you filled in for yourselves? I’m assuming you know the identities of all her husbands.

    Sherman-Palladino: We know who the husbands were. 

    Palladino: Approximately. We were strongly implying that Robert Evans was one of her husbands. We implied that Quincy Jones cheated on Peggy Lipton at some point, but it’s fiction—

    Sherman-Palladino: We didn’t say marriage. He didn’t put a ring on it.

    Palladino: One of the things we were flirting with was seeing her with her husband later in life, and that was on the board until the very, very last second.

    Sherman-Palladino: We wanted to show Midge and Joel much later in life—that they both have significant others off in the background, but they were only concerned about each other, and just wanted to hang with each other. They were always going to be this couple, whether or not they were with other people. That was the one sequence we couldn’t figure out how to fit into the schedule. It was just too many days and locations. But we put the picture [of the two of them] in the last episode, and the picture basically did the same thing. The man who’s on her vanity table that she says goodnight to every night is the man that she couldn’t be with. So sometimes, those things become happy accidents.

    Savannah Walsh

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  • Elle Fanning’s Grief Transforms ‘The Great’

    Elle Fanning’s Grief Transforms ‘The Great’

    Warning: Major spoilers for season three of The Great ahead—proceed with caution.

    “Grief is fucking weird.”

    Those words, uttered just moments after The Great kills off one of its two main characters, are a harbinger of what’s to come in the newly released third season. While Elle Fanning’s Catherine the Great has dodged death threats and political coups since touching down in Russia, the queen is safe—for now. Instead, it’s her lovably obtuse and oddly tender husband, formerly known as Peter the Great (played by Nicholas Hoult), who meets his demise in the season’s sixth episode. 

    Circumstances around the actual king’s death remain murky—but it’s been widely reported that Peter was assassinated by Alexei Orlov, younger brother to Catherine’s then lover, Grigory Orlov, while jailed. The show takes a steep departure. Plagued by the fear that he be remembered only as a doting stay-at-home husband to his powerful wife (“Yeah, ’cause that’s what history remembers—good fathers,” an adult-sized hallucination of his newborn son, Paul, taunts), Peter sets forth on an ill-fated invasion of Sweden. Catherine attempts to ease his worries and halt the mission, but Peter won’t be deterred. He proceeds on horseback across a frozen lake—stopping to turn to his wife with a faint, “Actually—” before promptly falling through the ice as Catherine watches in horror. 

    “Gosh, that whole day was filled with so much emotion,” Fanning tells Vanity Fair. “[Series creator] Tony [McNamara], Nick, and I, we went into the woods secretly before the last shot we had together. We took a little vodka shot and did a cheers. That was a very special moment.” Once the last huzzah had been uttered, Fanning was left to lead the show without her other half and—eventually—make the loss worth laughing about. 

    “I was most scared of the episode after his death,” she says, “which is when Catherine’s in her manic grief and extreme denial. I was putting a lot of pressure on myself to portray that in a certain way…. It was like, wow, well, Nick’s gone. [It’s] such a hole in the show…. I didn’t want it to go downhill…. But also now a big death has happened, and we don’t want the show to get sad because we’re a comedy. It’s this tightrope of battling the tragedy and the comedy and the absurdist.”

    Fresh off her appearance at the Met Gala (Billie Eilish and Finneas O’Connell were two of her tablemates), Fanning spoke to VF about mourning her royal partner and how that musical ending brought her real-life catharsis: “I started [the show] when I was 20, now I’m 25. So a lot of these experiences have molded me.”

    Vanity Fair: Before we get into this season’s major event, I want to ask about the state of Peter and Catherine’s marriage in season three. They’ve decided to move on from some sizable hurdles, but they’re still sleeping with knives underneath their pillows. What is it that keeps them so invested in each other?

    Elle Fanning: Obviously, it’s complicated, but I do believe that it’s a matured love in season three. In season two, Catherine—at the end, when she stabbed Pugachev thinking it was Peter, her guttural reaction to that made her realize, oh wow, I can’t lose this person. Because in a lot of ways, he’s the only one who understands her fully at court, which is really fascinating. He’s ruled the country. Whether you think he did it badly or not, he does know the pressures of that unlike anyone else. So Catherine realizes that he does truly see her for who she is and she doesn’t want to lose that companionship.

    Savannah Walsh

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  • “My First Thought Is, How Do I Honor Karl?”: Christine Chiu Preps for Her Met Gala Debut

    “My First Thought Is, How Do I Honor Karl?”: Christine Chiu Preps for Her Met Gala Debut

    We’re here to discuss her closet, but Christine Chiu seems more interested in mine. With what seems to be genuine enthusiasm, the Bling Empire breakout star and businesswoman asks me for a virtual look book of my outfits for Coachella—the music and arts festival that takes over the desert in Indio, California, every April. As it turns out, Chiu is pro-Chella, but what she is against is the increasingly casual sartorial approach of its A-list attendees. 

    “I think Karl would be disappointed,” Chiu says, referencing the former creative director of Chanel and Fendi, Karl Lagerfeld. 

    When we connect via Zoom, both Chiu and I are aligned in our choice of sequins: she in a structured overcoat (Chanel), me in a backless butterfly top (Amazon). The contrast is stark, but navigating contradictions is nothing new for Chiu. Without previous experience in the entertainment industry, she produced and starred in Netflix’s Bling Empire, the first reality show to feature an exclusively Asian core cast. She is the co-owner and cofounder of two aesthetic surgical clinics, Beverly Hills Plastic Surgery and the Regenerative and Anti-aging Institute of Beverly Hills. Her Dancing With the Stars bio (she appeared on season 30 in 2021) acknowledges her as one of the world’s youngest haute couture collectors, a notable feat considering its clientele usually find their foothold in middle age. Chiu, alternatively, was in her early 20s when she began her collection.

    Now, Chiu is not only a haute couture mainstay, but a powerful force in the fashion community. In June, she’ll host the West Coast Friends of the Costume Institute dinner, and she’s served on the boards of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art’s Costume Council and the Museum of Contemporary Art’s Contemporaries. She frequently receives exclusive invites from luxury fashion houses—even visiting landmarks like Louis Vuitton’s home in Asnières-sur-Seine and Coco Chanel’s Parisian apartment. Her relationship with Chanel is particularly special, as she commissions multiple made-to-order pieces that take between six to nine months to create. Eagerly, she follows the atelier’s progress via the brand’s app for couture clients. Sometimes, the seamstress, having worked with her for over 10 years, will surprise her, using metallic thread or attaching crystals. Over Zoom, Chiu unveils one of her more affordable garments, a “less labor-intensive” crepe-like skirt in an eggshell cream. She approximates couture’s starting price at 150,000 euros, which is around $166,000.

    Monday will mark her Met Gala debut, where Chiu’s love of Lagerfeld-led fashion houses will be on full display. She will donate up to 10 couture pieces from her archive to the Costume Institute and will be rewearing one of her most treasured Chanel couture gowns for the occasion, complete with a 65-pound cape. It’s the first time the gown will leave her temperature-controlled closet since she wore it to meet then Prince Charles, and she selected it tonight to honor Lagerfeld. It’s no Amazon sequin butterfly top, but it will do. 

    In the days leading up to the Met Gala, Vanity Fair spoke with Chiu about her relationship with fashion, her extensive haute couture collection, and what it’s like to see her late friend Lagerfeld honored in such a way. 

    The below interview has been edited and condensed for clarity. 

    Vanity Fair: We know now that every fashionista has an origin story, what’s yours?

    I grew up very much starved from fashion. My father was a big collector of Issey Miyake, my mother collected Chanel. But being an only child, they wanted me to be very studious so they kept me at schools that only had uniforms. So I lived in a very black and white world, while I tried to play in the shades of gray. I was almost suspended for taking my uniforms to a local tailor and having them reconfigure my skirts or my pants. It was really in college, in Malibu, where I really got to play. I approached fashion as a way to understand culture, and community. I feel like through fashion – as with any other traditional forms of art – it keeps the conversation going and going.

    It’s cultural commentary. 

    Exactly. It’s influenced by the politics and pop culture of the time. We’re in a woke era now, right? So many things that they were able to get away with back then, we can’t now — with fur being at the top of the list, which was so much a part of Karl at Fendi. I think fashion is my encyclopedia, my entry into the world.

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  • Party Down’s Zoë Chao Is Thrilled (and Terrified) to Be Invited

    Party Down’s Zoë Chao Is Thrilled (and Terrified) to Be Invited

    Even though Chao herself has several recent comic projects—the second season of Apple TV+ mystery-comedy The Afterparty; the rom-coms Somebody I Used to Know and Your Place or Mine—she doesn’t consider herself a born comedian. “I don’t find myself funny IRL or on the screen,” she says. “I always feel like I’ve snuck in through the back, and someone is going to be like, ‘Now’s the time we out you. You are not funny, and you’ve never been funny, and you need to leave this set.’” 

    In the first season of The Afterparty, she even helped creators Phil Lord and Christopher Miller prank eagle-eyed viewers with an off-screen misdirect. “We did do one sneaky thing to the Reddit gang,” Miller told VF last year. “We released a photo of Zoë wearing a blond wig and then deleted it immediately, even though it never happens in the show.” 

    Chao laughs now, remembering the red herring. “[Miller] was like, ‘Hey, can we just take you real quick? We’re setting up, could you just wear a wig really quick and just do something in the mirror?’ And I was like, yeah. And then, truly the show came out, and in interviews, they’re like, ‘Did you know about the clues?’” She…didn’t.

    Chao does love a good mystery—though much like Tiffany Haddish’s Detective Danner on The Afterparty, she’s one who couldn’t decode her way out of an escape room. “There are clues on top of the clues” as to who the murderer is in season one, she says. “I also read those scripts. And by the time we shot the reveal, I had forgotten, and was so bummed out.” She reads a lot of mystery novels, she says. “You would think that would translate into some sort of skill, but I am the worst at figuring it out. I’m always like, Whoa, did not see that coming.” 

    True to form, she offers a wide-eyed shrug when asked who the culprit will be in season two (it’s set to premiere in July), as well as whether there’ll be more Party Down in the future: “I would tell you if I knew, but I am the last person to know.” She and her castmates did spend time at the premiere pitching more episodes. “[We] all made it very clear to everyone at Starz, and anyone who had any money. Random people, YouTubers, we were like, ‘We are all willing to come back! We’re willing and able!’” 

    That group could also include Lizzy Caplan, a main cast member in the show’s original run. Caplan’s scheduling conflicts kept her from appearing in the new season of Party Down—until a tantalizing mid-credits cameo in the finale, where her caterer-made-good character, Casey, now a bona fide star, runs into Scott’s Henry at a junket and teases that she’ll be back soon. “She’s really gung ho about a season four,” Chao says.

    Even if it takes another decade-plus to happen, Chao says she could see Lucy still working that pink bow tie. Throughout the season she shrooms, flirts with an admitted Nazi, offers existential takes on cake pops, and, we learn in the finale, skims enough from the Party Down supplies to scrape together $2,000 worth of saffron threads to audition for an haute cuisine restaurant. Ron, of course, unwittingly pops the bite she’s made into his mouth—literally devouring her chance at escape with one chomp. 

    “I think that finding a home for Lucy has been very hard,” Chao says. “So it feels like in some ways, maybe Party Down is the only place that will have her.” 

    Chao, too, says she’s found belonging with Party Down. She has three group texts popping off constantly: one for the Party Down cast, and one for each season of The Afterparty. “I’ve really inherited three families in a very short period of time, and they’re all dysfunctional, but my heart is overwhelmed,” she says.

    The actor has come a long way since her Bar Marmont days, when she says she “totally related to the desperateness of the whole show and the yearning to be doing something else other than what you’re doing.” Even now that season three is out in the world, she still can’t believe she got to crash the party.

    “I’m a very long way from Bar Marmont. Although, while shooting it, I’m like, ‘Am I back?’”

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  • Riley Keough Was Born in the Spotlight. Now She’s There on Her Own Terms

    Riley Keough Was Born in the Spotlight. Now She’s There on Her Own Terms

    There’s something amusingly meta about watching Riley Keough watch a Fleetwood Mac performance. The real band’s influence on Daisy Jones & the Six, in which she stars as the titular Stevie Nicks–esque singer, has been well-documented. But Keough was surprised to learn that one of the group’s original members has, in fact, acknowledged her series.

    The day before our Zoom call, Fleetwood Mac guitarist Lindsey Buckingham—whose relationship with Nicks inspired the characters of Daisy and Billy Dunne (played by Sam Claflin)—posted a TikTok alluding to renewed chatter about their breakup. Buckingham posted a clip from a 1997 performance of “Silver Springs,” a searing kiss-off song Nicks wrote about Buckingham. “I heard we’re talking about that ’97 ‘Silver Springs’ again,” he wrote. 

    When I alert Keough to this all-important development, she immediately pulls the video up on her laptop. “I need to see this right now,” she says. “I’m wasting our interview because I need to see if this is fake news.” Keough watches the TikTok with delight, smiling in a dazed way before commenting beneath the video with three simple words: “Yes we are.”

    The fact that Buckingham felt the need to give Daisy Jones a nod is proof of the show’s impressive reach. Based on Taylor Jenkins Reid’s best-selling novel, the Prime Video series has hit number one on the streamer; its accompanying album, Aurora, featuring the cast singing fictional ’70s hits, peaked at number one in the US on iTunes. It’s undeniably the biggest role of Keough’s career thus far—and a moment that she’s referred to as “cosmic.” But stepping into a spotlight that she’s tried to shirk most of her life took a concerted effort, Keough tells me.

    The 33-year-old actor is the granddaughter of Elvis Presley and the daughter of Lisa Marie Presley. By the time she reached high school, she had called both Michael Jackson and Nicolas Cage stepfathers. “I grew up with a family that was very much in the public eye, and my childhood was really intense in that way, especially in the ’90s and early 2000s,” Keough says. “It was probably similar to what the Kardashian kids experience now—not being able to go out the front of buildings and having to sneak around and not being able to do…” She trails off. “Just a lot of attention, not being able to do normal things. I really started to appreciate normal things in life—being able to go to the coffee shop and sit there.”

    As an adult, Keough has largely evaded the nepo-baby conversation (and dissection of her personal life) by acting in indie projects, including American Honey and Zola. (One of the glaring exceptions is 2015’s Mad Max: Fury Road, through which she met her Australian stuntman husband, Ben Smith-Petersen. The two now share a newborn daughter.) “I didn’t actively make choices that were obviously going to change my life,” she says. “I was always trying to navigate how I can perform and also have this thing that’s really special to me, which is being able to do normal things in the world. Subconsciously I was always operating this way, avoiding things that felt…I don’t know, that would change that for my life.” 

    Daisy, with its built-in fan base and tangential ties to her musical pedigree, seems like it would have totally derailed the plan. But in the last five years, Keough says, she gave herself freedom to say yes. “I did know that Daisy Jones was going to be a big show. I just stopped caring as much about the outcome,” she explains. “Ultimately, it was just something that in my soul I felt like I needed to do. I also felt like I wanted to do something that would bring joy to my life. I’ve been through a lot in life prior to Daisy, and I just wanted to be in a space at work that felt like fun and not heavy, and dark, and serious. And the environment of that show was all of those things.”

    Embracing Daisy also meant learning to sing and play instruments, which the cast did via virtual band camp during a pandemic-induced delay. The fruits of Keough and the cast’s labor are on full display in the season finale, where Daisy Jones & the Six perform their final concert in Chicago. Wearing a vintage gold Halston capean homage to Fleetwood Mac’s “Gold Dust Woman,” Keough’s Daisy sings like she knows it’s the last time. These live performances were filmed over a week of overnight shoots in New Orleans, where Keough and her cohort would sing until the sun rose. “It was totally chaotic, but it was the moment we’d all been waiting for,” she says, adding, “There wasn’t a part of us that felt like we were actors anymore.”

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    Keough’s emotionally charged performance includes loads of heated glances at Claflin’s Billy. At one point in the finale, a newly relapsed Billy tells Daisy that they can “be broken together” because his wife, Camila (Camila Morrone), has left him. But after 10 episodes’ worth of self-destructive behavior, Daisy declares, “I don’t want to be broken”—a moment of agency not afforded to the character in Reid’s book. 

    “She just very simply doesn’t want this for herself anymore—especially not this way, not the way that he’s coming to her. It’s not that version of Billy that she’s in love with. She’s in love with all of Billy, but she’s mostly been around him sober,” Keough explains. “So seeing that this is what she’s bringing out of him doesn’t feel good to her. It’s a moment of power for her to go, I’m going to walk away from this.”

    Daisy’s substance abuse, which Keough has said she approached with particular sensitivity “because this is something I’ve experienced in my family,” is exacerbated by both her untenable dynamic with Billy and the crippling lack of love she’s received from her mother.

    Motherhood is a major preoccupation for Daisy across the final episodes. She wards off having children for fear of inflicting the kind of trauma Daisy experienced upon them. Then, after a crushing phone call with her absentee mother in the finale, Daisy shouts, “Next time you wanna hear my voice, how ’bout you try the fucking radio.” 

    “I didn’t experience it personally, but I’ve seen [that mother-daughter dynamic] with a few people in my life. And it’s totally heartbreaking,” Keough says. “Some people are lucky to have mothers that are very nurturing and loving, and some people aren’t. That is a place of great wound, when either parent isn’t showing up in the way that the child wants them to. It is supposed to be the one person who loves you no matter what. And so when you don’t experience that, I could see how that could turn into, Well, I’m not lovable because the one person who’s supposed to love me more than anything in the world doesn’t. Not to say I don’t think her mom ever loved her, but it’s a very complicated relationship and woman.”

    Savannah Walsh

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  • Gloria Steinem and Radhika Jones in Conversation

    Gloria Steinem and Radhika Jones in Conversation

    After the Dobbs ruling and before the midterm elections, Gloria Steinem sat down with “another crazed magazine woman,” Vanity Fair editor in chief Radhika Jones, for a wide-ranging conversation on reproductive rights, Ms. magazine, and the upcoming elections.

    “In a real sense, if you don’t vote you don’t exist,” Steinem said, an especially meaningful reminder when the right to abortion is no longer federally guaranteed.

    Steinem, a contributing editor to the November issue of VF, has been an activist, organizer, and often the face of the women’s movement for over a half century, as well as a writer and founding editor of Ms. magazine, which celebrated its 50th anniversary this year. 

    As Steinem mentions to Jones in their conversation, she can never tell if it’s a good or bad thing that we’re still talking about reproductive rights well into the 21st century, but here we are regardless. “Either we make decisions over our own bodies or we’re not living in a democracy,” Steinem said. “It is fundamental. Women or men, we need to be able to decide the fate of our own bodies.” 

    Find more of Steinem’s words in the latest issue of Vanity Fair. She also helped the magazine connect to those across the country on the front line of the fight for reproductive rights

    “We need to make more trouble,” she said, by way of signing off.  

    Kenzie Bryant

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