Health officials in Gaza say hundreds of people were killed in a huge blast Tuesday at a hospital in Gaza City, and Israeli and Palestinian officials traded accusations over who was responsible for the devastating explosion.
Palestinian officials blamed an Israeli airstrike and said at least 500 people were killed in the attack at the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza City.
Israeli officials said they did not target a hospital and that their intelligence review indicated the blast was caused by a rocket launched by the militant group Islamic Jihad towards Israel that fell short.
Injured Palestinians taken to Al-Shifa Hospital following blast at Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza City, Gaza on October 17, 2023.
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Thousands of people were displaced or injured, said the Gaza Health Ministry. Hamas called it “a horrific massacre.”
Thehead of the World Health Organization tweeted: “@WHO strongly condemns the attack on Al Ahli Arab Hospital in north Gaza. Early reports indicate hundreds of deaths and injuries. We call for the immediate protection of civilians and health care, and for the evacuation orders to be reversed.”
“Words fail me,” U.N. human rights chief Volker Türk said in a statement. “Tonight, hundreds of people were killed – horrifically – in a massive strike at Al Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City, including patients, healthcare workers and families that had been seeking refuge in and around the hospital.”
An injured person is taken into a hospital after hundreds of Palestinians were killed in a blast at Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza that Israeli and Palestinian officials blamed on each other, in Gaza City, Oct. 17, 2023.
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“We don’t yet know the full scale of this carnage, but what is clear is that the violence and killings must stop at once. All States with influence must do everything in their power to bring an end to this horrendous situation,” Türk said. “Those found responsible must be held to account.”
Soon after the blast, Israeli officials disputed accusations that Israel had conducted the strike.
“An analysis of the IDF operational systems indicates that a barrage of rockets was fired by terrorists in Gaza, passing in close proximity to the Al-Ahli Al-Mahdi hospital in Gaza at the time it was hit,” Israel Defense Forces spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said in a video statement.
The Israeli military later posted a video it said showed rockets being launched from inside Gaza, failing to reach Israel, and instead striking the hospital.
RAW FOOTAGE: A rocket aimed at Israel misfired and exploded at 18:59—the same moment a hospital was hit in Gaza. pic.twitter.com/Kf5xJazSap
Neither side’s claims have been independently verified.
President Biden said in a statement that he was “outraged and deeply saddened by the explosion at the Al Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza, and the terrible loss of life that resulted.”
He said the United States “stands unequivocally for the protection of civilian life during conflict,” and that he has directed his national security team to “continue gathering information about what exactly happened.”
Mr. Biden was traveling to Israel for a visit Wednesday, but Arab leaders canceled their planned meeting with him in Jordan. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced he was returning to Ramallah from Amman due to the protests and concerns of violence in the West Bank.
Protests outside Israeli and U.S. embassies and consulates broke out in several countries after the hospital blast.
Protesters demonstrate in front of the Israeli consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, after an explosion at a hospital in Gaza killed hundreds on Oct. 17, 2023.
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Hundreds of people were killed in an explosion at a hospital in Gaza. Israeli and Gaza authorities are blaming each other for the blast. Charlie D’Agata has the latest.
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In the city of Rafah, at the far southern end of the long, narrow Gaza Strip, a massive airstrike all but obliterated a residential neighborhood Tuesday as Israel continued hammering the Palestinian enclave in its war with Gaza’s Hamas rulers. CBS News cameras arrived just moments after the strike razed several houses to the ground and left devastation in its wake.
Our video shows children among those being pulled from the rubble of the airstrike on the southern half of the Gaza Strip — to which Israel’s military told Palestinian civilians to evacuate last week as it ramped up operations across northern Gaza that it says are all targeting Hamas.
A massive air strike pummelled southern Gaza, levelling several houses and leaving devastation in its wake. October 17th, 2023.
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CBS News producer Marwan al-Ghoul witnessed the immediate aftermath and said he personally “saw dozens of killed people and dozens of injuries” — all of them civilians.
He said there weren’t enough ambulances or rescue workers to transport the victims, and people at the scene were struggling with their bare hands to find and rescue victims trapped underneath the rubble.
More than 10 days into a complete Israeli blockade of Gaza, health authorities in the enclave said Tuesday that they only had enough fuel left to keep hospitals running for another 24 hours. U.N. officials have warned that the fuel shortage could put thousands of patients’ lives at serious risk.
At the southern end of Rafah city is the Rafah border crossing with Egypt — the sole Gaza border gate that does not lead into Israel, and the only one not locked down over the past week by Israeli security forces. Egyptian officials have said the ongoing Israeli airstrikes in the area have made it impossible to open the Rafah crossing, and the U.S. has been working with both Egypt and Israel for days to secure at least a brief opening for foreign nationals to escape Gaza and for aid supplies to get in.
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Tuesday that the U.S. and Israel had agreed “to develop a plan” to get aid into Gaza, and President Biden was to visit Israel on Wednesday.
Palestinian civilians climb over the rubble of a residential building destroyed by an Israeli airstrike in Rafah city, in the southern Gaza Strip, Oct. 17, 2023, which Gazan officials said had killed about 50 people.
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Egyptian aid trucks have moved closer to the border, the Reuters news agency reported Tuesday, but it remains unclear when a humanitarian deal might be struck to open the Rafah crossing for any period of time.
Hundreds of foreign passport holders — including as many as 600 U.S. nationals — are among those trapped inside Gaza.
The Israeli military faces a complex ground war in Gaza, given the city’s labyrinth of streets and underground tunnels where Hamas can hide among civilians. Charlie D’Agata reports.
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Scores of foreign nationals, including many U.S. citizens, waited on the Gaza side of the Rafah border crossing with Egypt on Monday, hoping for a deal that would allow them to escape.
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The Israeli military on Monday said its bombardment of Gaza was less about retaliation for Hamas’s surprise, multi-front attack on Israelthan about conducting precision strikes on known Hamas targets.
But the Israel Defense Forces said it now faces going in on the ground to hunt down Hamas militants amid a population of more than 2 million people.
The Gaza Strip is only 25 miles long by 7 miles wide, with Gaza City at its heart.
The city itself is made up of a labyrinth of streets and alleyways where Hamas fighters can hide themselves — and their weapons — among civilians.
When it comes to sheer firepower, Israel has one of the most advanced, well-equipped and best-trained armies in the region. But ground assaults in urban environments are extremely risky for any fighting force.
Reserve Major General Yair Golan, who has led troops into battle in Gaza many times during his military career, told CBS News it’s one of the “densest places on earth.”
“And you have Gaza on the surface — you also have Gaza of the subterranean,” Golan added, referring to underground tunnels used by Hamas.
Hamas claims to have built 300 miles of hidden networks, with training videos showing fighters emerging from holes in the ground to launch attacks.
In 2014, CBS News was shown a tunnel dug by Hamas that led all the way to the Israeli side of the border.
Many of the estimated 200 hostages taken by Hamas are believed to be held in this underground maze, further complicating an all-out assault.
While previous ground incursions, like one in 2014, saw Israeli forces invade and withdraw in a matter of weeks, this one is likely to last much longer.
“Two years, three years, five years doesn’t matter. We are going to protect our civilians,” Golan said.
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Israel’s military released video showing Hamas militants hunting victims inside a kibbutz, as well as a Hamas handbook with instructions for executing captives. Holly Williams reports from an Israeli military base.
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Israel’s furious airstrikes on Gaza demolished more than 3,700 residential buildings by Monday amid an evacuation order that the UN estimates has caused more than a million Palestinians to flee their homes. Imtiaz Tyab has the latest.
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The killing of Israeli civilians by Hamas and retaliatory airstrikes on the densely populated Gaza Strip by Israel raises numerous issues under international law.
Indeed, President Joe Biden made express reference to the “laws of war” in comments he made at the White house on Oct. 10, 2023, noting that while democracies like the U.S. and Israel uphold such standards, “terrorists” such as Hamas “purposefully target civilians.” Speaking the same day, the European Union’s top diplomat Josep Borrell condemned Hamas’ attack but also suggested that Israel was not acting in accordance with international law by cutting water, electricity and food to civilians in Gaza.
But international law and the very nature of the conflict itself — along with the status of the two sides involved — is a complex area. The Conversation turned to Robert Goldman, an expert on the laws of war at American University Washington College of Law, for guidance on some of the issues.
Simply put, these instruments seek to spare civilians and others who are no longer active combatants from the effects of hostilities by placing restrictions and prohibitions on the conduct of warfare.
It is important to understand that modern IHL is not concerned with the reasons for, or the legality of, going to war. Rather, that is governed by the United Nations Charter and a member state’s own practice.
It is also important to note that violations of the laws of war are notoriously hard to prosecute and can be frustrated by lack of cooperation by the parties involved.
What is the nature of the conflict between Israel and Hamas?
The answer to this question is by no means clear.
Many humanitarian law experts would argue that Hamas and Israel are engaged in what is known as a “non-international armed conflict.” In other words, it would be classified the same way as a civil war that pits the armed forces of a state against an armed non-state actor, rather than an international conflict between two or more sovereign states.
If that were the case, the conflict would not be governed by the entirety of the laws of war, but instead by the more limited Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions along with numerous customary law rules, which derive from general practices accepted as law. Common Article 3, which applies to civilians and those no longer fighting, prohibits practices such as torture, summary execution and denial of a fair trial. But Prisoner of War status only applies to conflicts between states so would not apply.
But some international observers, including the United Nations, view Israel as, in effect, occupying Gaza — a view predicated on the fact that Israel controls Gaza’s borders and airspace and it supplies most of its electricity.
If that is the case, then the recent outbreak of hostilities between Hamas and Israel would trigger the entirety of laws of war.
That said, I do not believe that Israel is an occupying power in Gaza under a strict reading of the law. This is because Israel ceased governing and pulled its forces out of Gaza in 2005. Since 2007, Hamas, after expelling the Palestinian Authority, has in effect governed Gaza.
An Israeli armored personnel carrier takes position near Israel’s border with the Gaza Strip, in southern Israel, Oct. 13, 2023.
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Is the bombing of Gaza illegal under international law?
Today the rules governing the conduct of hostilities in both international and non-international armed conflicts are essentially the same.
The foremost requirement in all conflicts is that combatants must always distinguish between civilians and combatants, and that attacks can only be directed at combatants and other military targets.
Protecting civilian populations caught in warfare essentially depends upon three factors:
Civilians must abstain from fighting;
The party in control of the civilian population must not place them at heightened risk of harm by using them as human shields; and
The attacking force must take precautions to avoid or minimize excessive civilian casualties when attacking lawful targets.
Not only are civilians in Gaza not lawful targets, they are also protected under IHL by the rule of proportionality. This rule prohibits an attack against a military target which foreseeably could cause civilian casualties that are excessive, or disproportionate in relation to the advantage anticipated from the target’s destruction.
In the case of Gaza, this rule requires that before launching an attack, the Israeli military analyze and determine the likely effect on civilians. If it appears that such an attack will cause disproportionate civilian casualties, then it must be suspended or canceled.
Given Gaza’s urban density, it will be extremely difficult for the Israelis to avoid substantial civilian casualties even when using precision weapons.
And this task will be nearly impossible if Hamas, as it has consistently done in the past, uses civilians and now hostages to shield military targets.
While Israel bears primary responsibility to avoid excessive civilian deaths in its bombardment of Gaza, Hamas’ ability to claim the bombardment constitutes a war crime would be weakened if it deliberately places its own people in harm’s way.
And while Israel is complying with its duty to give an advanced warning of an attack in north Gaza, the problem remains: Where do 1 million people go to seek safety when borders are closed and military targets are being hit throughout Gaza?
Is Israel’s siege of Gaza illegal?
Unlike in the past, total siege warfare now is unlawful regardless of whether the warring parties are involved in international or non-international hostilities.
Blocking the entry of all food, water, medicines and cutting off electricity — as appears to be happening in Gaza — will disproportionately affect civilians, foreseeably leading to their starvation. This is a banned method of warfare under customary and conventional IHL.
No matter how horrific the actions of Hamas, IHL does not permit an aggrieved party to respond in kind. Violation of the law by one party cannot, in principle, justify or sanction actions by the other that violate established prohibitions in international humanitarian law.
What are the status and obligations of Hamas under IHL?
IHL rules apply equally to all the warring parties irrespective of the nature of the conflict. This means that Israeli and Hamas combatants have the same rights and duties.
If, however, the conflict is non-international, then Hamas will be regarded as an armed non-state actor and its combatants ineligible for Prisoner of War status upon capture. Accordingly, Israel can try them for all their hostile acts whether or not Hamas complies with the laws of war.
Masked militants from the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, a military wing of Hamas.
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But even if the conflict is an international one, then Hamas’ fighters would still be debarred from Prisoner of War status. They are not the armed forces of Palestine — which is recognized as a state by 138 nations and has the Palestine Authority as its government.
Rather, Hamas combatants are an irregular armed group. To be eligible for Prisoner of War status under Article 4A(2) of the Third Geneva Convention, members of an irregular armed group must adhere to very strict standards, both collectively and individually. These includes distinguishing themselves from civilians and complying with the laws of war. Manifestly Hamas has not and does not meet these standards. As such, Israel could lawfully deny them Prisoner of War status upon capture.
Israel, the U.S. and others label Hamas fighters as terrorists. Hamas’ recent acts — indiscriminately firing thousands of rockets into Israel, targeting, killing and taking civilians as hostages – are acts of terrorism in warfare and qualify as war crimes.
This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license.
Hundreds of Americans have returned to the United States from Israel in recent days in the midst of the Israel-Hamas war. Some U.S. citizens and their family members boarded charter flights from Tel Aviv arranged by federal and even state officials, while others booked commercial trips that brought them home.
Many U.S. citizens were traveling in Israel when the militant group Hamas carried out a horrific terror attack on the country, which responded with retaliatory airstrikes on the Gaza Strip and is expected to invade the Palestinian territory in a ground offensive. Leaving became difficult for many as dozens of major airlines suspended or canceled flights out of the country.
The U.S. State Department started arranging charter flights late last week which are continuing Monday and Tuesday. Some commercial flights are also still operating.
Here’s a look at some of the flights that have carried Americans back to the U.S.
Tampa, Florida
Nearly 300 Americans evacuated from Israel on a flight organized by the state of Florida.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and his wife welcomed a flight that arrived Sunday night at Tampa International Airport, carrying about 270 Americans, including 91 children, CBS Miami reported. Their charter flight traveled from Tel Aviv to Portugal before making its way to Florida.
“Once the plane landed in Tampa, evacuees were able to access resources from multiple state agencies. Additionally, the governor is sending medical supplies, hygiene products, clothing and children’s toys to Israel to help impacted Israelis,” the governor’s office said in a news release.
Seven other evacuees arrived Sunday from Israel on flights to Orlando.
DeSantis signed an executive order last week allowing the Florida Division of Emergency Management to direct resources toward bringing Americans home and transporting supplies back to Israel.
Newark, New Jersey
Multiple flights carrying Americans from Israel landed at airports across New York and New Jersey over the weekend, CBS New York reported. Americans who had traveled to Israel for Sukkot, the Jewish holiday being celebrated when Hamas launched a devastating terror attack on the country Oct. 7, were among the passengers returning home to the U.S.
Esther Hamilton, an Indiana resident who arrived on a flight from Israel to Newark Liberty International Airport on Sunday, described some of the violence that has erupted in Israel and Gaza since that initial attack two weekends ago.
“We’ve seen rockets going off in the air, smoke rising. But there’s lots of hurting people over there, lots of refugees,” Hamilton told CBS New York.
Other families recalled hiding in bomb shelters and trying frantically to book flights that were ultimately canceled before they were eventually able to return home.
Three additional flights landed in Newark on Monday. One passenger traveling from Israel, Batya Daken, was reunited with her grandparents when she arrived.
“My heart is with my family,” Daken told CBS New York. “I have seven other siblings in Israel and I have people that I know, friends that I know that are in the army, friends that I know that got killed.”
New York City
CBS New York reporter Kristie Keleshian talked to a family of nine that boarded a U.S.-government facilitated charter flight from Israel after a month-long trip, landing in London before returning to John F. Kennedy International Airport. They live in Monsey, which is upstate along the Hudson River.
“We were scared to get out, and we couldn’t get back to New York,” one woman in the group said.
Eliya Bivas, a young Long Island resident who traveled to Tel Aviv with her grandmother and roommate, told CBS New York they were able to leave by boarding a U.S. charter flight to Cyprus because securing a trip back to the U.S. on a commercial airline was difficult.
“Everything was either extremely expensive or not soon enough. Like, it would be in like two weeks or like in a week and a half, and by then, it’s not safe to stay there that long,” Bivas said.
Chicago, Illinois
Some Midwesterners who were in Israel at the start of the war landed Saturday at O’Hare International Airport, CBS Chicago reported. Scott Forester, a resident of Madison, Wisconsin, arrived in Chicago after finding a flight from Israel to Berlin. He traveled from the German capital to Washington, D.C., before landing in Chicago.
“I’m very grateful to be here, but I’m also … my heart is just heavy and sad, because of the people that I left behind,” Forrester told CBS Chicago. Another group of Wisconsin residents, including some parishioners from Kenosha, returned home over the weekend after taking a direct flight from Jordan, according to the news station.
Jerusalem — Israel’s government denied reports Monday that it had agreed to a ceasefire in at least the southern half of the Gaza Strip to allow humanitarian aid in and people with international passports to escape into Egypt, as the Israeli military continued hammering the Hamas-controlled enclave with missiles.
“There is currently no ceasefire,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said in a statement, dismissing reports that a deal had been brokered to enable foreign nationals massing near Gaza’s Rafah border crossing with Egypt — along with thousands of Palestinian civilians — to flee.
More than a week after Hamas launched its bloody terror rampage in southern Israel, killing some 1,400 people and capturing almost 200 hostages, Israel was still preparing Monday for a widely expected ground offensive in Gaza. Already, Gaza health officials say at least 2,750 people have been killed by Israel’s bombardment and almost 10,000 more injured, with hundreds of children among the dead and wounded.
Netanyahu’s government has vowed to destroy the Palestinian group, and President Biden told CBS News’ 60 Minutes that Israel can and must “go after Hamas,” but he warned that a full occupation of Gaza would be “a big mistake,” and the U.S. has called repeatedly on Israel to do everything possible to minimize civilian casualties.
Israel has rained missiles down on the densely-populated Gaza Strip constantly since Hamas’ Oct. 7 siege and completely sealed its borders, creating what aid agencies warn is a dire and rapidly deteriorating humanitarian crisis.
Thirty U.S. citizens are among those killed in the latest flare up of violence in the heart of the Middle East, and as many as 600 U.S. nationals are thought to be trapped in Gaza. A U.S. State Department spokesperson said Sunday that 13 Americans who were in Israel remain unaccounted for.
Hamas has refused to negotiate over the release of any hostages with Israeli bombs still falling.
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Florida governor and Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis and his wife, Casey DeSantis, welcomed hundreds of Americans who flew home from Tel Aviv on Sunday evening after getting stuck for days in Israel by the Israel-Hamas war. The flight, carrying 270 Americans, landed at Tampa International Airport, the governor’s office said in a news release. Seven additional evacuees landed in Orlando.
“Once the plane landed in Tampa, evacuees were able to access resources from multiple state agencies. Additionally, the governor is sending medical supplies, hygiene products, clothing and children’s toys to Israel to help impacted Israelis,” the news release said.
In a video posted on social media, DeSantis said, “We’re here at Tampa airport. We are having our first flight of people being rescued from Israel and it’s landed. Over 260 people that wanted to get back to the United States and couldn’t do it … so we stepped up and led. We’re happy to be able to deliver this.”
Bryan Stern, CEO and founder of Project DYNAMO, the search and rescue non-profit organization that facilitated the flight, told reporters that 270 people were on board the plane. The rescuees included 91 children and four dogs, Stern said. Many people on the plane cried when it touched down in Tampa, he added.
We are getting ready to welcome hundreds of people who were stuck in Israel back to the United States of America. pic.twitter.com/4gYyDI09DK
Getting Americans out of Gaza was “complicated,” Stern said, though he wouldn’t comment on future rescue operations.
Major airlines canceled flights in and out of Tel Aviv after Hamas’ attack on Oct. 7. In recent days, U.S. officials began organizing charter flights for the thousands of trapped Americans, the first of which landed in Athens, Greece, on Saturday. The flights are departing Ben Gurion International Airport.
Travelers arrive to check in at Ben Gurion International Airport near Tel Aviv, Israel, on Oct. 14, 2023.
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Other families arriving in New York and New Jersey Sunday boarded flights on the Sabbath, the Jewish day of rest, when travel is typically forbidden. In this case, the Israeli airline El Al made an exception for the first time since 1982.
The U.S. State Department said more than 20,000 U.S. citizens stuck in Israel and Gaza have reached out for departure assistance.
DeSantis signed an executive order on Thursday to allow flights to transport Florida residents in Israel back to the state. The order enabled the Florida Division of Emergency Management to bring Floridians home and transport necessary supplies to Israel, the news release said.
Appearing on Fox News on Friday, DeSantis said that hundreds of Floridians were stranded in Israel and that the state was coordinating rescue efforts with Israel’s government. “I want to bring them back to the state of Florida, so we have planes ready,” DeSantis said.
“I am proud of how quickly we have been able to activate resources and do what the federal government could not — get Floridians and other Americans back home, reunited with their families, free of charge,” DeSantis said in Sunday’s news release.
A senior Israeli official told CBS News this week that he believes Hamas leaders Yahya Sinwar and El Deif are behind the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel which left at least 1,300 people dead.
“It’s Sinwar and Deif,” Ron Dermer, Israel’s minister of strategic affairs and a member of its new war cabinet, told CBS News in an interview in Tel Aviv. “There are two people in Gaza. They’re the ones who are responsible specifically for this attack. But they are backed, again, by Iran. They are backed financially. They are backed with weapons. They are backed with training, with logistics, with communication, with political support. Iran is the source of so many of the problems of the Middle East.”
Israeli military spokesman Lt. Col. Richard Hecht also singled out Sinwar in a briefing Saturday.
“That man is in our sights,” Hecht said on Saturday. “He is a dead man walking and we will get to that man.”
Yahya Sinwar, head of the militant group Hamas in the Gaza Strip, waves his hand to the crowd during the celebration of International Quds Day in Gaza City on April 14, 2023.
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Biden administration officials have said, since the war began, that Iran has long supported Hamas with material, financial and logistical support, but that to date no evidence had been unearthed to link the attacks to Tehran.
However, several U.S. officials told CBS News that U.S. intelligence appeared to indicate Iran was taken by surprise by Hamas’ assault on Israel, which has killed at least 1,300 people and left 3,200 more wounded.
Dermer believes the question of whether Iran was specifically aware of the “timing of this specific” Oct. 7 attack is inconsequential, given that intelligence shows that a vast majority of Hamas’ funding comes from Iran.
“There’s a question of whether Iran knew about the timing of this specific attack,” Dermer said. “But Iran is behind Hamas. Hamas, 93% of their military budget, is Iran. They have meetings all the time, Iran and Hamas. So whether they knew that the attack was gonna happen on this day, or three days later, or a week later, or two weeks later, that’s a separate question. Without Iran this attack cannot happen. That I can assure you.”
Ron Dermer, Israel’s minister of strategic affairs and a member of its new war cabinet, in an interview with CBS News. October 2023.
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When asked if an Israeli attack on Iran is under consideration, Dermer described Iran as a “country that works every single day for Israel’s destruction.”
“So we will do whatever we have to do to defend ourselves, to prevent such a regime, who denies the first Holocaust — and would like to perpetrate a second one — to deny such a regime from developing nuclear weapons,” Dermer added.
He also drew comparisons between the Oct. 7 attack and 9/11.
“When Israel loses 1,300, when 1,300 people are murdered, that’s like 50,000 Americans being murdered on a single day,” Dermer said. “Today, with the numbers we see, it’s twenty 9/11s. And we’re not dealing with a terrorist organization thousands of miles away like you did after 9/11. We’re dealing with a terrorist organization in our backyard, literally meters away from people’s homes.”
When asked about the safety of Gaza’s over 2 million residents, Dermer blamed Hamas for any civilian casualties. Since the war began, at least 2,670 people in Gaza have been killed in Israel’s retaliatory counterstrikes, and 9,600 injured, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
We’re in southern Israel, very close to Gaza. We can hear the mortars going off…it’s just a little over a mile away down this road. This area was the hardest hit by Hamas. As you can see behind me…it was almost completely overrun by the surprise invasion.
One of the first places to be infiltrated was Nahal Oz. It’s a kibbutz – a small tight-knit agricultural community that’s very close by – this way. The population was small, just about 500. People living there used to say it’s “a little slice of heaven on the border of hell.”
People like, Amir Tibon, a senior correspondent at the left-leaning newspaper Haaretz, and his wife Miri, a social worker, who lived in Nahal Oz with their two small children.
Lesley Stahl: So let’s go back to Saturday morning. It’s early. It’s a beautiful day. 6:00 a.m. you hear something.
Miri Bernovsky-Tibon: I heard the whistle of a rocket. And I’m just like, “Amir, get up.” And we just – we ran like crazy into the safe room, which is the girls’ bedroom.
Lesley Stahl: Wait, the girls’ bedroom is your safe room?
Amir Tibon: This is in every community along the border, in every house there is a room that is built on– out of special strong concrete. And you call it the safe room because it’s supposed to withstand direct attacks from rockets and mortars. Most families, that’s where they put the kids to sleep at night. Because then if there’s a siren at 6:00 a.m. the parents run to the children and not the other way around. And so we’re accustomed to this.
Lesley Stahl: How did you begin to realize it was not going to be a typical rocket attack?
Amir Tibon: It’s a moment I will never forget, when we started hearing the automatic gunfire. And we looked at each other and we just both had the same look of horror–
Miri Bernovsky-Tibon: They’re here.
Kibbutz residents Miri Bernovsky-Tibon and Amir Tibon
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Amir Tibon: They’re here.
Miri Bernovsky-Tibon: They’re here. We heard the Arabic. I’m like, “Amir, they’re here.”
Lesley Stahl: They were that close?
Amir Tibon: At first it was from the fields of the kibbutz. And then you heard it in the neighborhood. And then you heard it outside our window.
Lesley Stahl: Are they screaming for you to get out of the house? What are they saying?
Amir Tibon: They were not counting on us to get out on our own. They were screaming to each other how to get in.
Videos shot and posted by Hamas, show them shooting up the kibbutz, including this picture of them actually leaning on Amir and Miri’s house.
Amir Tibon: They shot ammunition through the living room window, and we just heard that. And it sounded like they’re inside the house.
Lesley Stahl: What about these two little girls? Weren’t they screaming and crying.
Miri Bernovsky-Tibon: Our girls are so so brave. And we told them: “Girls, we’re very, very sorry. But we have to keep quiet.”
Lesley Stahl: And they were? At one and three? They were quiet?
Miri Bernovsky-Tibon: For the most of the time, they were.
Amir started texting his colleagues and soon realized the magnitude of the attack.
Amir Tibon: I realized nobody was gonna come. And I called my father. And I said, “This is the situation. You know, the terrorists, maybe they’re inside the house, maybe they’re outside. We’re not sure. All over the kibbutz right now, people are crying for help and nobody’s coming. And this– this may be– may be it.”
Noam Tibon: At that moment we knew that we are going there. I took my— pistol and we went.
Noam Tibon is dad, he’s grandpa, and he’s a big deal, retired major general who was the senior commander of the Israeli paratroopers and he led forces in the West Bank and at the border with Lebanon.
Gali and Noam Tibon
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He and grandma Gali jumped in their jeep in Tel Aviv and started heading south to rescue their family.
Gali Tibon: We were in a situation that there is no government, there is no military, only citizens. And so who else?
While she was driving, the general was texting with his son.
Amir Tibon: So he writes to me, “What’s going on?” and I reply, “There are terrorists in the neighborhood.” I think also inside the house.
Noam Tibon: I wrote him, “Be quiet, don’t move, lock everything.”
Amir Tibon: And he asks me if the dog is in the house. And I said, “I don’t think he’s alive.” I thought he was dead because they had fired so much into the house.
Gali drove at top speed until they were stopped at checkpoints and told they could go no further.
Gali Tibon: Then we started to talk to the policemen and say— We have to go. You must let us go.” And they were not willing to do that.
Noam Tibon: So we bypass them.
Gali Tibon: Through the fields. We had a jeep.
Noam Tibon: We had a jeep. And then on the next one, we just—we just drove
Lesley Stahl: What?
Gali Tibon: Yeah, they– they– they– they stopped us and I said, “You know what? We are going. It’s our son. It’s our granddaughters. You want you can shoot me. We are going.”
As the grandparents drew closer to the kibbutz, they couldn’t believe what they were seeing.
Noam Tibon: We saw things that, you know, you don’t see normally. Burning cars, bodies on the road. And then there were a man and a woman running, rushing to us, running. And we stopped. And they said, “Save us.”
Lesley Stahl: Save us?
Noam Tibon: Yeah.
Bar and Lior Matsner were escaping the music festival massacre. Thousands were fleeing – some on foot. others, like them, jumped in their cars.
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Bar Matsner: He tell me to get down, so I do like this. And he also drive like this. we don’t understand anything. We just understand that someone is shootin’ our car, and a lot of shoots.
As this dashcam video from another car shows, lots of vehicles were shot at. Bar and Lior’s was disabled by bullets, but they were able to escape.
Lior Matsner: There was a forest there and trees. And–
Bar Matsner: A lot of trees, and a lot of–
Lior Matsner: Leaves.
Bar Matsner: –big, dry leaves. So I tell him, “Let’s get all these dry leaves and just put on our face, our everything, that they will not see us.”
They tried to get help –
Bar Matsner: I call the police. There is no answer. I call the ambulance. There is no answer. And– like, after two hours or three hours, we don’t know–
Lesley Stahl: Two hours? Where are you for two–
Lior Matsner: In this same–
Bar Matsner: In– in the same–
Lior Matsner: –in the same position–
Bar Matsner: –place.
Lesley Stahl: You’re buried under–
Lior Matsner: Yeah.
Lesley Stahl: –a pile of leaves?
Both: Yes.
Eventually they were able to make a run for the road… and spotted the grandparents racing south in the jeep.
Lior Matsner: You just need to understand, Noam and his wife is on their way to his own sons
Bar Matsner: To save his own sons —
Lior Matsner: But they stop and take us with– they don’t know us. They take us to safe zone.
Bar Matsner: Wow. They save our life.
Meanwhile, Amir in their safe room says he could hear neighbors being dragged off. These are pictures of the aftermath in a nearby house… in which – as you can see in this live-streamed Hamas-propaganda video, gunmen were holding that family captive. The father’s leg is bleeding. They are now assumed to be hostages in Gaza.
Amir Tibon: The Hamas terrorists, I mean, there were hundreds of them around and inside the kibbutz. The– the numbers are impossible to comprehend.
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Lesley Stahl: There are two kibbutzes near yours, Be’eri, and Kfar Azza. What happened there?
Amir Tibon: In those two communities, hundreds of people were slaughtered. Be’eri and Kfar Azza and the music festival that happened near one of them. Those are the three scenes of the largest massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust ended.
As the general and Gali got back on the road to the kibbutz, they told us they came upon a group of soldiers, one of whom agreed to join them to help. But because of the danger, they decided to drop Gali off at a roadside shelter — and pressed on without her.
Amir Tibon: On the road ahead of them they see a military Jeep ambushed by Hamas and several soldiers there are killed and injured. My father and this brave soldier who joined him get out of the car and start fighting. Join the firefight—
Noam Tibon: We basically killed the terrorists there. I killed at least one.
But he faced a dilemma: during the firefight, two Israeli soldiers were wounded and needed to be evacuated to a hospital, and that meant his family would have to wait – again.
Noam Tibon: Otherwise they they will bleed to death. So I said, Okay, I’m taking them, you know, because no way that they are going to die d– die there. Okay.
Amir Tibon: This is the second time that morning that my parents are getting closer to us and they turn around to help someone else. They take the wounded soldiers to where my mother is.
And she took the wounded to a hospital, while the general happened upon an old army buddy – another grandfather – and they headed back to rescue his son’s family.
Lesley Stahl: So where were the police? Where was the military? Why did a grandfather have to go to rescue you?
Miri Bernovsky-Tibon: That’s a very good question, Lesley. I hope all of Israel is asking this question.
Kibbutz residents have been left devastated by the deadly attack.
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Amir Tibon: It’s the biggest failure in the history of the state of Israel. Civilians by the hundreds were being massacred by terrorists and nobody came. I’ve never been more proud — (chime)
Announcer: This is a security announcement. Please proceed directly to the closest shelter on your floor
An alert: rocket fire over Tel Aviv.
Lesley Stahl: We are in– on the bottom floor–
Amir Tibon: We’re in– we’re in a safe place here.
Miri Bernovsky-Tibon: We’re underground.
Amir Tibon: We’re underground. We’re OK.
We were struck by how calm they were… given what they went through just days ago, as they waited hours for dad. But once dad finally got to the kibbutz, before he went to Amir’s he joined a group of Israeli special forces, and went house to house with them, methodically clearing out the terrorists.
Lesley Stahl: At that point– Hamas was in control obviously of this kibbutz? They were– they’d occupied it?
Noam Tibon: Basically, the Hamas was in control. And the– you know, we start to get in. And we saw bodies. Some of them terrorists, some Israelis. On this situation, you have to– to work very, very focus. Okay, you have to clean one house, and then go to the next house, and then go to the next house because if you run too fast, they will shoot you from the behind. And it takes time.
Amir Tibon: We are, at that point, still stranded in the safe room. We have no cell phone by that point. We don’t know where my father is, but we begin to hear very close exchanges of gunfire.
Lesley Stahl: How many hours, by that point, had you been in the safe room?
Amir Tibon: By now, it’s, I think, eight, nine hours that we’re inside? No electricity, no food, two girls that are the biggest heroes in the world, keeping quiet.
Then — at 4 o’clock, after an hour of door-to-door combat, the retired general finally reached their house.
Noam Tibon: I went straight to the window of this armor room when– when they were hiding. I knock on the window and I said, “Amir, it’s Dad.”
Amir Tibon: And we hear my father’s voice. He says something like you know “Open. Open.” And Galia, our older daughter, she says, “Saba Higiya.” Grandfather is here. (sigh) And that’s– that’s the first time we started crying.
For now, Amir, Miri, and the girls are living with the grandparents in Tel Aviv. As is the dog! Many other survivors of Nahal Oz were evacuated to another kibbutz in the north.. having buried at least 10 of their dead. They’re still looking for more than 10 who are missing, presumed to be hostages.
Produced by Shachar Bar-On and Jinsol Jung. Associate producer, Collette Richards. Broadcast associate, Wren Woodson Edited by Peter M. Berman.
Rarely does a president confront so much peril; the catastrophe in Israel—the war in Ukraine—and no help from a paralyzed Congress. Late Thursday, we met President Biden at the White House. It had been a rough week and we could see it on him. Mr. Biden will be 81 next month. And he has said that when he’s tired, his life-long stutter can creep back in. But he wedged us into his schedule to express his commitment to Israel after the massacre of more than 1,000 civilians eight days ago. Twenty nine Americans were killed. Fifteen are missing—and at least a small number of them are known to have been taken hostage. In a video call on Friday, Mr. Biden had this message for Americans in Israel whose loved ones have vanished.
President Biden: I’m saying we’re gonna do everything in our power to find those who are still alive and set them free. Everything in our power. And– I’m not gonna go into the detail of that, but there’s– we’re workin’ like hell on it.
Scott Pelley: Why do you feel so strongly about speaking to these families personally on Zoom?
President Biden: Because I think they have to know that the president of the United States of America cares deeply about what’s happening. Deeply. We have to communicate to the world this is critical. this is not even hum– human behavior. It’s– it– it– it’s– it’s– it’s pure barbarism. And we’re gonna do everything in our power to get them home if we can find them.
Friday’s hour-long call with 14 families included a father who told us the president answered desperate pleas with empathy and patience.
Scott Pelley: Is getting the American hostages back safely among your highest priorities now?
President Joe Biden participates in a zoom call with relatives of American citizens who are being held hostage or missing in the Israeli Hamas conflict Friday, October 13, 2023, in the Oval Office of the White House. (Official White House Photo by Adam Schultz)
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President Biden: Of course, it is. But it’s hard to– hard to make distinctions. It’s– most important thing is ending this brutality and to hold those who committed it accountable.
To confront the ‘brutality,’ Mr. Biden ordered two aircraft carriers plus cruisers and destroyers to the region. There are about 900 U.S. troops in Syria–on a counterterrorism mission since 2015.
Scott Pelley: Can you foresee U.S. troops in combat in this new Middle East war?
President Biden: I– I don’t think that’s necessary. Israel has one of the finest fighting forces in the country. I guarantee we’re gonna provide them everything they need.
Scott Pelley: Because of what we’re seeing in the Middle East, is the threat of terrorism in the United States increased?
President Biden: Yes. I had a meeting this morning with the Homeland Security people, with the FBI, with– for the Situation Room, for the better part of an hour to discuss how we make sure that we prevent a lone wolf and/or any cohi– coordinated effort to try to do what was done in synagogues before, do what was done to Jews in the street. we’re making a major effort to make sure that doesn’t happen.
Saturday, October 7th, has been called Israel’s 9/11. More than 1,000 Hamas terrorists from Gaza smashed through a border wall to commit mass murder–families in their homes, crowds at a concert, people in the street.
Israel is striking back with the largest bombardment of Gaza ever. More than 2,000 have been killed by Gaza’s count.
Scott Pelley: Certainly, about 1,200 Israeli civilians were killed in the initial attack, but now Hamas fighters and Palestinian civilians are being killed in the counterattack. Is it time for a ceasefire?
President Biden: Look, there’s a fundamental difference. Israel is going after a group of people who have engaged in barbarism that is as consequential as the Holocaust. And– so I think Israel has to respond. They have to go after Hamas. Hamas is a bunch of cowards. They’re hiding behind the civilians. They put their of—their—their—their headquarters where civilians are and buildings and the like. But to the extent they can separate out and avoi—I’m conf– the Israelis are gonna do everything in their power to avoid the killing of innocent civilians.
Hamas is an Islamist terrorist group and the government of Gaza. Gaza is 25 miles long and averages 5 miles wide. Israel severely limits its economy so most Gazans are destitute. Now, Israel has cut off food, fuel, electricity and most water, and has ordered 1 million Gazans to evacuate to the southern half of Gaza. The U.N. warns of a humanitarian disaster.
Scott Pelley: There are about 2 million people in Gaza, as you know, Mr. President, 2 million people trapped. About half of them are children. Are you asking Israel to establish a humanitarian corridor in that area or get humanitarian supplies into it?
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President Biden: Yes, our team is talkin’ to ’em about that. And– whether there could be a safe zone. We’re also talking to Egyptians– whether there is an outlet to get these children and– and women out— into—out of that a that area at this moment. But it’s– it’s c– hard.
Scott Pelley: You would like to see a humanitarian corridor that allows some of the 2 million Gazans out of the area?
President Biden: Yes.
Scott Pelley: You would like to see humanitarian supplies brought into Gaza?
President Biden: Yes.
Scott Pelley: So you do not agree with the Israeli total siege of the Gaza Strip?
President Biden: I’m confident that Israel is going to act under the measure– the– the rules of war. There– there’s– standards that democratic institutions and countries w– go– go by. And so– I’m– I– I’m confident that there’s gonna be an ability for the innocents in Gaza to be able to have access to medicine and food and water.
Scott Pelley: Would you support Israeli occupation of Gaza at this point?
President Biden: I think it’d be a big mistake. Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people. And I think that…It would be a mistake to…for Israel to occupy…Gaza again. We…but going in but taking out the extremists the Hezbollah is up north but Hamas down south. Is a necessary requirement.
Scott Pelley: Do you believe that Hamas must be eliminated entirely?
President Biden: Yes, I do. But there needs to be a Palestinian authority. There needs to be a path to a Palestinian state.
That path, called “the two state solution,” has been U.S. policy for decades. It would create an independent nation next to Israel for 5 million Palestinians who live in Gaza and on the West Bank of the Jordan River.
Scott Pelley: And you believe Israel would pursue that after what’s occurred–
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President Biden: Not now. Not now. Not now, but– but I think Israel understands that a significant portion of Palestinian people do not share the views of Hamas and Hezbollah.
Hezbollah is a powerful Islamist militia to Israel’s north which is armed and trained by Iran. Iran also supports Hamas.
Scott Pelley: There’s limited fighting already on the northern Israeli border, and I wonder what is your message to Hezbollah and its backer, Iran?
President Biden: Don’t. Don’t, don’t, don’t.
Scott Pelley: Don’t come across the border? Don’t escalate this war?
President Biden: That’s right.
Scott Pelley: Is Iran behind the Gaza war?
President Biden: I don’t wanna get into classified information. But to be very blunt with you, there is no clear evidence of that.
Scott Pelley: At this point, no evidence that Iran is behind any of this?
President Biden: Correct. Now, Iran constantly supports Hamas and Hezbollah. I don’t mean that. But in terms of were they– w– did they have foreknowledge; did they help plan the attack– the– there’s– there’s no evidence of that at this point.
The president is asking for billions of dollars for Israel and Ukraine. But Congress is paralyzed. Hard-right Republicans are obstructing the election of a speaker of the house.
Scott Pelley: Does the dysfunction that we’ve seen in Congress increase the danger in the world?
President Biden: Yes. Look, this is not your father’s Republican Party. Thirty percent of it’s made up of these MAGA Republicans who are maybe– democracy is something I don’t– they don’t look at the same way you and I look at democracy.
Scott Pelley: Are the wars in Israel and Ukraine more than the United States can take on at the same time?
President Biden: No. We’re the United States of America for God’s sake, the most powerful nation in the history– not in the world, in the history of the world. The history of the world. We can take care of both of these and still maintain our overall international defense.
Scott Pelley: How do these wars in Israel and Ukraine relate to the safety of the American people?
President Biden: Overwhelmingly, they relate. For example, in Ukraine one of my objectives was to prevent Putin, who has committed war crimes himself, who– from bein’ able to occupy an independent country that borders NATO allies and is on the Russian border. Imagine what happens now if he were able to succeed. Have you ever known a major war in Europe we didn’t get sucked into? We don’t want that to happen. We want to make sure those democracies are sustained. And Ukraine is critical in making sure that happens.
Mr. Biden told us images of October 7th reminded him of the Holocaust—which he has studied– taking his family to the Dachau death camp in Germany. This is 2015, the man in the wheelchair is a Dachau survivor. Behind Mr. Biden is the president’s granddaughter.
President Biden: I want my children and grandchildren to fully understand exactly what happened and why you couldn’t deny the carnage going on if you were living in Germany and in Europe.
Scott Pelley: Why do you feel so strongly? What does Israel mean to you?
President Biden: The Jews have been subject to abuse, prejudice, and– and– attempt to wipe them out for, oh, God, over a th– thousand years. For me, it’s about decency, respect, honor. it’s just simply wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It violates every religious principle I have and every way– and every single principle my father taught me.
As we spoke to the president, his secretary of state was in Israel, his secretary of defense was in a NATO meeting on Ukraine. America’s oldest president seemed tired from directing all of this. But he was very clear on what he stood for and how his policies, in his view, would see America through.
Scott Pelley: Mr. President, given these two wars and the dysfunction in Congress, are you sure that you want to run again?
President Biden: Yes ..because.. I’m sure. Look, when I ran, I said, “The world’s at an inflection point.” The world’s changing, but we have an opportunity to make it– so, imagine if we were able to succeed in getting the Middle East put in place where we have normalization of relations. I think we can do that. Imagine what happens if we, in fact, unite all of Europe and Putin is finally put down where he cannot cause the kind of trouble he’s been causing. We have enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities to make it a better world.
Produced by Maria Gavrilovic. Associate producers, Alex Ortiz and Katie Brennan. Broadcast associate, Michelle Karim. Edited by Sean Kelly.