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  • The Rise of Ending Explainers, Explained

    The Rise of Ending Explainers, Explained

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    The Netflix adaptation of Rumaan Alam’s 2020 runaway hit apocalyptic novel, Leave the World Behind, concludes relatably. The movie—directed by Sam Esmail and starring Julia Roberts, Ethan Hawke, and Mahershala Ali—sees tween girl Rose desperate to find out what happens in the finale of Friends as the world literally burns around her. Even though there’s a major telecommunications breakdown, Teslas are going haywire, and wildlife is gathering as if in anticipation of Armageddon, Rose must find out what becomes of Rachel, Ross, Chandler, Monica, Phoebe, and Joey. Do Rachel and Ross finally get back together? (Yes, even though Ross is a gaslighting softboy.) Do Chandler and Monica have a baby? (They have two, in fact.) What becomes of the iconic purple-walled loft? (Monica and Chandler give it up and move to the suburbs, thus signaling their descent into middle-aged uniformity.) More than just a reference to Gen Z’s pandemic-era obsession with bingeing a show that started 30 years ago this year, it’s indicative of our growing obsession with certainty in a world that’s anything but.

    Depending on your algorithm, a cursory glance around YouTube will likely engender an assortment of ending explainers, or videos by pop culture commentators and influencers unpacking the endings of all manner of movies and TV shows. They range from necessary explainers—Mulholland Drive, anything by M. Night Shyamalan—to rote ones. (I don’t think we need ending explainers to understand Hit Man’s basic happily ever after or that Hooper and Brody kill the big bad great white in Jaws, but they exist.) Don’t just take my word for it: According to Google Trends, searches for “ending explained” have doubled in the past five years. And it’s not just visual mediums: Many culture sites have sections dedicated to analyzing outcomes, and it seems like that’s all some publish. Have we lost the ability to think for ourselves, and do we need all possible meanings—however simple or abstract—tied up in a neat little bow? Are our attention spans so shot that we can’t spend a few hours not checking our phones in a movie theater? Or do we need a third party to interpret art for us when everything else about modern society is so fraught?

    “Our brains are hardwired to seek patterns and relish that gratifying ‘aha’ moment when all the pieces finally click into coherence,” clinical psychologist Daniel Glazer tells The Ringer. Suddenly, Rose’s yearning to finish the final episode of Friends before, you know, the final episode of humanity makes a lot more sense.

    Digital natives like those in Rose’s generation get a bad rap for possessing the attention spans of goldfish, but her dedication to finishing an 86.5-hour sitcom instead of YouTubing an ending explainer is indicative of anything but. For evidence that internet denizens still have attention spans, look to the case of Late Night With the Devil, the breakout horror hit from this year that inspired its share of ending-explained videos and articles. “People have made the effort. People have seen this more than once. They’ve done their research,” Colin Cairnes, who directed Late Night With the Devil alongside his brother, Cameron, says about ending-explained YouTubers. When content creators are creating 30-minute-plus videos that get over a million views, like this The Menu ending explainer by FoundFlix that has 2 million, it’s clear that viewers aren’t just seeking them out because their attention spans were too short to finish the movie!

    When it came to Leave the World Behind’s ending, Esmail—who is well aware of the negative feedback related to it—deliberately set it up to stretch viewers’ minds and get people talking. “I wanted you to go to a coffee shop and have a two-hour debate about what it meant and how it felt and how it all connected or didn’t connect at the end,” he says. “Those are the kinds of conversations I lived for as a moviegoer, and that really only happened when movies didn’t tie everything up in a bow.”

    Esmail is no stranger to ambiguity, as perhaps his best-known project, Mr. Robot, ended with its audience questioning everything they thought they knew about the show. He says those are his favorite kinds of stories—ones that worm their way into your brain and keep you thinking days, weeks, sometimes years afterward. Remember when you immediately needed to go back and rewatch The Sixth Sense after (25-year-old spoiler incoming) finding out that Bruce Willis’s character was a ghost himself? Or the shellshock you got when Emerald Fennell Psycho-ed her main character during the climactic confrontation of Promising Young Woman? Or Psycho, for that matter?

    “Those movies where everything was answered, it was very straightforward, and everything was explained, you leave the theater, and even if it was a good movie and you enjoyed yourself, I found that I stopped thinking about it pretty quickly after,” Esmail says. What’s even the point?

    Speaking to The Ringer from his home in Melbourne, Colin says there’s a fine line between crafting a conclusion that will keep the conversation going and honoring the fictional world of the movie, especially for the vast majority of films that don’t have the support of media conglomerates behind them.

    “If you’re operating within that low-budget indie world like Late Night With the Devil is, the onus is on us as filmmakers to do something different and try to surprise and take risks with the way we set up the story, the way we resolve it, the way we end these movies,” he says.

    And anyway, Late Night With the Devil’s outcome is pretty definite: It’s revealed that late night talk show host Jack Delroy (David Dastmalchian) literally sold his soul to the devil in exchange for career success, and he kills an apparently possessed girl on live TV. Though Colin does jest that, because of an earlier hypnotism scene, it could have all been a hallucination.

    YouTuber Daniel Whidden, who writes, narrates, and produces his own channel, Think Story, where he has more than 700,000 subscribers, believes the acceleration of these videos speaks to the way we consume media now. In contrast to the proverbial watercooler conversation in eras past, because of the plethora of streaming options we have now, everyone’s watching something different.

    “Now with dozens of platforms, [like] Netflix, Disney, Amazon, etc., and the ‘binge’ model of consuming media, it makes it difficult to discuss these shows. Suzie from accounting could be on Episode 2 of Squid Game, while Tom in marketing could have binged the whole thing in a day—or he might not even have Netflix at all!” Whidden tells The Ringer. “Thus, they have no one to talk to about their favorite shows and seek out alternate communities and channels.”

    It speaks to Esmail’s contention that he wants filmgoers to continue to wax lyrical about what they’ve just seen, a notion that Colin echoes. “As filmmakers we’ve got to wear it as a badge of honor that people have deemed it worthy as a topic of debate,” he says. “That’s what we’re in it for, to elicit a response, hopefully a positive one, but if it leads to division over what it all means, that’s kinda cool too.” It’s just that now, because of the rise of streaming, Netflix-only releases like Leave the World Behind, and the prevalence of VOD, those conversations are happening online.

    “You can have that experience [of talking about a movie while] walking out of the film … and then it jumps online for people who haven’t seen it in a theater and have seen it on Shudder or Netflix or whatever it might be,” says Colin. “We set out to make a film that would spark conversation, so whether that happens in a cinema lobby or on YouTube or Reddit, that’s all good.”

    In that way, ending explainers are a way to extend community.

    “In previous eras, the ability to convene and collaboratively revel in [a] narrative climax was largely constrained by immediate social circles and physical proximity,” offers Glazer, pointing to the aforementioned watercooler theory and the decline of appointment viewing. Sure, the majority of your office or friend group probably watched Baby Reindeer, but you might have binged all seven roughly 30-minute episodes the day it came out, your bestie could be saving it until the weekend, and your work spouse might be waiting to watch it with their actual spouse. On Reddit or the YouTube comment section, you can immediately revel in your IDTA (Is Donny the asshole?) conspiracy theories. “Suddenly, the diverse insights, theories, and analyses surrounding a pop culture plot point radiate from a global array of voices and life experiences,” Glazer continues.

    And there are diverse subcultures within those communities, says Whidden, who also posts ending explainers for shows like Bridgerton, which, as you can imagine, draws a very different crowd than “an over-the-top gore movie. This is because of the wide array of content I create. Instead of fostering one giant community, I have a series of smaller communities.”

    One subgroup that has felt seen not only by one of this year’s most buzzed-about films, Jane Schoenbrun’s I Saw the TV Glow, but also by the explainers created about it is the trans community. The ’90s-set genre film follows two teenagers, Owen (Justice Smith) and Maddy (Brigette Lundy-Paine), as they bond over their favorite TV show, the Buffy the Vampire Slayer–coded The Pink Opaque. Owen is berated by his father for liking a “girl’s show,” and his identification with one of the female stars of The Pink Opaque can be read as a trans allegory by those who care to see it. For those who don’t, Schoenbrun isn’t interested in their interpretation.

    “As a trans filmmaker, I’m not really that interested in the legibility of the work to a non-trans audience because I think a lot of other people are going to think about that for me,” Schoenbrun tells The Ringer. And they have, in copious ending-explained clips on YouTube and TikTok. Even publications like Time, USA Today, and Vanity Fair have weighed in on the deliberately (pink) opaque subtext of I Saw the TV Glow, raising questions about the state of culture criticism when writers are asked to rehash conclusions rather than tackling what leads up to them. (Schoenbrun, for their part, doesn’t see much distinction between the two forms.)

    “When I end a movie, I’m looking for something that can continue to linger and poke at and ask the questions that the movie is trying to ask,” says Schoenbrun, who also directed the 2018 documentary A Self-Induced Hallucination and 2021’s We’re All Going to the World’s Fair, the latter of which shares thematic similarities with I Saw the TV Glow. “I prefer, in my own art, making things that are ambiguous. Not just for the sake of ambiguity, but because the work is talking about complicated things that I’m trying to reckon with.”

    Like Esmail and the Cairnes brothers, Schoenbrun ultimately sees ending explainers as a good thing, enjoying the ones made about their own work.

    “If somebody really is racked emotionally by my movie and reads an ending explainer post, to me that’s a nice thing,” they say. “I don’t think that’s the be-all, end-all of how we process art right now. It’s part of how we process art right now. Hopefully they’re at the beginning of that process. That sort of long-term engagement with art as we and as times changed is something that no one internet post could ever stop.”

    The term “be-all, end-all” also comes up in my conversation with Esmail, who is the most tentative of all the people I spoke to about ending explainers. He admits he’s of “two minds” about them: If he’d come of age during the internet and online fan culture, he says he might have been creating that content as an extension of his own interest in filmmaking. However, “the part of the ending explainer culture, or I should say online fandom culture, that I don’t appreciate,” he says, is the part that doesn’t allow for dissent.

    People with different opinions will get piled on or troll just for the hell of it. And as we’ve seen in the case of the newer Star Wars movies and diverse Marvel casts, minority creatives—and, one can assume, the minority content creators who cover these movies—in many cases experience harassment and are forced offline. (For his money, Whidden, who is a white man, hasn’t observed much of this in the comments of his videos. “I try to be courteous and respectful and tend to ignore the odd toxic comment,” he says.)

    Esmail also believes that there’s less willingness to sit with the questions—and the uneasiness—that cryptic endings provoke than there was, say, 50 years ago. “If you go back to the ’70s, a lot of movies ended in an abstract, abrupt way, and I just happened to be a fan of that—it haunts you and lingers months and years after you’ve seen it.

    “There’s something in the culture now where films need to be a little more self-contained,” he continues. “That saddens me because there is a joy to not being told all the answers and having to sit with your thoughts and feelings about it. And even getting frustrated with it!” As viewers certainly did with the abrupt ending of Leave the World Behind.

    “We as a culture need easy answers now because the world has gotten incredibly complicated. We don’t want to turn to movies that just offer us more questions and ambiguity. Especially a movie like mine, where I’m directly commenting on the world we’re living in now,” he says.

    “I think because of what’s going on in the world, it’s important to do and provoke those kinds of questions.”

    From a psychological point of view, Glazer sees ending explainers as tempering that anxiety. “For those of us conditioned to having a world’s worth of information constantly at our fingertips, simply sitting suspended in ambiguity for an extended stretch can start to feel uniquely unsettling,” he says. “I’m certainly not suggesting we necessarily want the easy way out every time. But our collective patience for persisting in uncertainty has undoubtedly been whittled away by our era’s blistering pace. Comprehensive explanations and answers provide ballast—hanging in interminable limbo just doesn’t feel emotionally stabilizing.”

    While Rose might not be able to watch an ending explainer about the series finale of Friends, she does ultimately get her wish. The much-maligned climax of Leave the World Behind sees Rose stumbling on an apocalypse bunker stocked full of canned goods, bottled water, and a physical home media library with—you guessed it—the box set of Friends. Instead of looking for her family to alert them of this safe haven, Rose immediately pulls the last season from the shelf and slots in the disc on which “The Last One” exists in perpetuity, however long that might be. Leave the World Behind’s parting shot is Rose’s wide grin filling the screen as she is lulled into contentment by the signature dulcet guitar strains of the Rembrandts’ “I’ll Be There for You.” In that ending, Rose is anything but inquisitive, but Esmail’s intention was to leave us questioning—or at least seeking comfort in the communities that continue this discourse, wherever that might be—at the watercooler, the theater lobby, the coffee shop, the bar, or the comments section.

    Scarlett Harris is a culture critic and author of A Diva Was a Female Version of a Wrestler: An Abbreviated Herstory of World Wrestling Entertainment. You can read her previously published work on her website and through her Substack, The Scarlett Woman. Follow her on X at @ScarlettEHarris.

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  • Evil Does Not Exist director Ryûsuke Hamaguchi unpacks its strange, controversial ending

    Evil Does Not Exist director Ryûsuke Hamaguchi unpacks its strange, controversial ending

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    You don’t even have to watch Ryûsuke Hamaguchi’s Evil Does Not Exist to consider it a conversation-starter: The debate begins with that title, a bold, unlikely statement that may feel at odds with most experiences of the world. Watching the movie complicates that response even further, given some of the choices its characters make, and the harm they bring to others. And then there’s that abrupt, surprising ending, the kind that will leave viewers arguing over what they actually saw on screen almost as much as they’re arguing about what it means.

    Hamaguchi is no stranger to elliptical, unpackable, or discussable endings: His Best Picture Oscar nominee Drive My Car wraps with a long sequence where the audience is just watching the protagonist perform onstage in a multilingual production of Anton Chekhov’s Uncle Vanya, followed by a wordless sequence of another character going about mundane tasks. There’s a great deal of meaning there, but it takes thought, time, and attention to the film’s 179-minute length to access. Evil Does Not Exist is shorter and tighter, but it still centers on a 20-minute scene where residents of a small community politely raise objections about a planned luxury development in the area.

    What is Hamaguchi getting at with Evil Does Not Exist? From its title to its mysterious opening tracking shot to that what’s-going-on-here? ending, Polygon had a lot of questions about the movie. Speaking through a translator, we sat down with Hamaguchi to unpack the film.

    [Ed. note: End spoilers ahead for Evil Does Not Exist.]

    First: on the ending Evil Does Not Exist

    Evil Does Not Exist centers on a small rural village, Mizubiki, that’s about to be disrupted by developers building a site for luxury camping, or “glamping.” At a town-hall meeting, the locals object, and their thoughtful, thorough analysis of the project’s flaws impresses the presenters, Takahashi (Ryuji Kosaka) and Mayuzumi (Ayaka Shibutani). But when they share the objections with their boss, they learn he doesn’t actually care about making the project sustainable or even profitable. He just cares about the pandemic-era development grants he’ll earn if he gets the proposal in ahead of a deadline.

    Takahashi and Mayuzumi connect with Takumi (Hitoshi Omika), a widower and odd-job man in Mizubiki, who’s raising a young daughter, Hana (Ryo Nishikawa), on his own. Takumi is a quiet man who’s closely connected with nature, and Takahashi envies him and wants to move out to Mizubiki and live in nature himself. But then Hana goes missing, and the town rallies to find her. Takahashi and Takumi are together when they find her lying in a field, where she’s been attacked by a wounded deer. Takumi suddenly turns on Takahashi and brutally strangles him, then grabs Hana’s body and runs. Takahashi gets up and stumbles across the field, then falls again and lies still.

    Is Takahashi dead? Is Hana dead? Hamaguchi says he wants to leave those things up to interpretation, to invite people to discuss the ending and what it means. “In order to be able to make this happen, I think two things are necessary,” he told Polygon. “The first part is to end in this abrupt manner, almost leaving the audience behind. But that in itself, I don’t think is enough to create conversations and create different interpretations. It really relies on what the characters do up until that point.”

    Why does Takumi attack Takahashi in Evil Does Not Exist?

    Image: Sideshow and Janus Films

    To some degree, the end of the film is foreshadowed in something Takumi tells his city visitors during the film: Deer aren’t ordinarily dangerous to humans, but a gutshot deer will lash out violently, particularly to protect its young. This is what happened to Hana: In what appears to be either a flashback or Takumi’s quick mental reconstruction when he sees her lying in the field, we see that she encountered a pair of deer, one of which had been shot. She attempted to approach them, and the wounded deer attacked her.

    In the same way, Takumi is symbolically a “gutshot deer.” He’s metaphorically wounded, both by the imminent destruction of his community and the natural world around him by predatory outsiders, and by the hurt done to his daughter, in part because of his own neglect. As we learn early in the movie, Takumi was sometimes a unreliable father: Hana is only out in the woods alone because she’s taken to walking home from school by herself, since he didn’t always remember to pick her up from school. Like the deer, Takumi lashes out irrationally, not at the source of his pain, but at the nearest available target.

    “I do think he’s acting out of desperation,” Hamaguchi says. “In that moment, I think he does realize in [seeing Hana’s body] that he’s not able to be the kind of father he maybe wanted to be. And I think there are certain clues within the film where we see that.”

    While Takumi’s behavior may seem extreme and difficult to understand, Hamaguchi hopes viewers will go back and watch the movie again, and see how his response fits in with other behavior we’ve seen from him.

    “What I hope I’m achieving is that people feel that each character that appears in the film all have their own individual lives,” he says. “The way they act and what we see in the film are just moments that the cameras happened to capture, of life they each live outside of the film. And once people can feel that these characters actually do exist, then when we see them do something that is not quite understandable, the audience can still feel it’s still possible that they could do these things.”

    He considers the movie’s ending an invitation to analyze and sit with the story: “When this kind of ending happens, I feel it causes the audience to reflect back on what they experienced before that, to rethink what they just watched, and to reflect upon whether their worldview of what they just saw is in was in fact correct,” he says. “That effect to me is a very interesting way to experience a film, and can result in a lot of interpretations. And so if that’s what it is doing, then I’m very grateful.”

    Why would Takumi respond to grief by trying to murder a near-stranger?

    Mayuzumi (Ayaka Shibutani), a Japanese woman in a white shirt and grey cardigan, stands in the woods, looking downward at the camera, in Ryûsuke Hamaguchi’s Evil Does Not Exist

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    In terms of understanding Takumi’s attack, Hamaguchi suggests looking back at his 2018 movie Asako I & II, about a woman who falls for two physically identical men (played by the same actor) with radically different personas, and has to decide which one to stay with. “In that, a protagonist also makes choices,” Hamaguchi says. “And I think from the perspective of the wider society in which she lives, perhaps the choice she makes can be viewed as a bad choice. But I think from her perspective, it was the only choice she could make.”

    He says the decision helps Asako see herself more clearly, and learn more about what she values. “It’s my perspective of living and the worldview that I have in some ways,” he says. “I think there are moments in our lives where we suddenly understand something about ourselves through the choices we just made.”

    Similarly, Hamaguchi says that when Takumi sees Hana lying in the field, he understands where his own choices have led. “I think in that moment, he realizes through the failures he has had,” he says. “That leads him to try to figure out desperately about what to do. That action might be read as absurd from the surroundings, or from people around him. But I think to me, this choice that he makes is something that for this particular character, could happen.”

    Put another way: Takumi has been a passive, quiet character throughout the process of the development plan, to the point where Takahashi and Mayuzumi try to hire him as a liaison with the community, a manager for the site who could also quell local tensions. In attacking Takahashi, he’s violently pushing back against the idea that he could be drawn to take their side against his community’s. He’s also defending his territory from outsiders, as a wild animal might. And like a wild animal, he’s acting without thinking about the consequences, or even about whether that action might plausibly achieve his goals. But that’s just one interpretation.

    What does the title of Evil Does Not Exist mean?

    Takumi (Hitoshi Omika) carries his young daughter Hana (Ryo Nishikawa) through a snowy forest on a piggyback ride in an extreme long shot in Ryûsuke Hamaguchi’s Evil Does Not Exist

    Image: Sideshow and Janus Films

    Evil Does Not Exist was originally planned as a wordless 30-minute short film, a visual accompaniment for new music by Eiko Ishibashi, who also composed the score for Drive My Car. But Hamaguchi says her music and his location scouting inspired the story of the film — and the title came before that story was locked down.

    “Before writing the script, when I was thinking about what I could shoot, I went out to where Eiko Ishibashi makes her music,” he says. “She makes her music amongst this very rich natural landscape. It was winter when I was there, and when I looked out into the winter landscape, these words popped up. I thought, OK, it’s very cold right now. Standing here, I feel like I’m going to freeze to death. And yet it’s not that I feel any evil intentions here.

    Hamaguchi says part of that insight came from living in an urban environment, where it’s rare to be far away from other people. The isolated community in Evil Does Not Exist lives far away from that kind of constant engagement, and the people in that community are often alone in nature — which can be a dangerous environment, but not a purposefully or consciously inimical one. As the film’s story developed, Hamaguchi added characters that do live in urban environments, and do act in deliberately harmful ways, but he kept the title throughout. “Looking back at the film that we had made,” he says, “it made me think that watching this particular film against this title is probably an interesting experience together.”

    But doesn’t the developer bringing chaos to a community for profit act in an evil way? “I think it’s actually a very difficult question to answer properly,” Hamaguchi says. “Say for now, we say that there is no evil in nature. Then the question becomes, Is human society not natural? I think we can say humans are a part of nature. But I think what’s also true about humans is that there might be more choices available.

    “We can reflect back on our choices and say, I should have chosen this way or I should have chosen this or that, and sometimes make these decisions of whether those are good or bad choices. As human beings, when we’re living our lives, sometimes we think something is bad, or something was a bad choice. But when you interpret this as desire, I think you can also see that was part of nature as well. This is just how I honestly feel at the current moment.”

    Why Evil Does Not Exist opens on a four-minute tracking shot of a camera looking up at trees

    Hana (Ryo Nishikawa), a young Japanese girl in a puffy coat and knit hat, shades her eyes with her hand and looks doubtfully into the camera in Ryûsuke Hamaguchi’s Evil Does Not Exist

    Image: Sideshow and Janus Films

    While the opening of Evil Does Not Exist doesn’t seem like it’d offer much inside on the ending, it actually ties directly into Hamaguchi’s point about perspective, understanding, and the natural world.

    “That particular perspective that we see at the beginning is a perspective that only a camera can manage to capture,” he says. “Because as human beings, even if you look up and keep looking, it’s not possible to have your point of axis not moving, the way it does within that tracking shot. To be seeing that, with [the camera moving at] a very steady speed […] this vision is not necessarily a vision humans can have.

    “And I think through watching through this perspective, this vision for four minutes, my hope was that the people who are looking can acquire a slightly different way of perceiving, or a different way of thinking. Perhaps it’s closer to how a machine sees, or perhaps how nature sees. This is something that I wouldn’t know. But I think the fact that we, the audience, can acquire a different way of looking, perhaps, can lead the audience into understanding the rest of the film in a deeper level. And that’s why I wanted to start the film in that way.”

    Evil Does Not Exist is in theaters now.

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  • Persona 3 Reload’s ending, explained

    Persona 3 Reload’s ending, explained

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    Persona 3 Reload is a long game with an emotional ending — made more emotional by the sheer amount of time you’ve spent in this world and with these characters. If you got the game’s true ending, you may still find yourself watching the credits and asking: Wait, is there anything I could’ve done differently?

    In this Persona 3 Reload guide, we’ll walk you through the ending of the game, the fate of the game’s protagonist (Makoto Yuki), what influence you have over its outcome (if any), and how it all connects to Episode Aigis — the upcoming epilogue expansion.

    [Spoiler Warning: This post contains major spoilers for the true ending of Persona 3 Reload and some minor spoilers for “The Answer” epilogue from Persona 3 FES, which is being remade into the upcoming Episode Aigis DLC for Persona 3 Reload. If you want to stay as spoiler-free as possible, bookmark this guide and return to it once you see the credits roll. In the meantime, check out our guides for classroom answers and social link requirements.]

    Graphic: Polygon | Source images: Atlus/Sega


    Is the protagonist dead at the end of Persona 3 Reload?

    The protagonist uses the Great Seal ability in Persona 3 Reload

    Image: Atlus/Sega via Polygon

    Yes. When the protagonist falls asleep in Aigis’ lap, as all his friends are rushing up to the rooftop of the school, he passes away. This happens regardless of whether you choose the “……” option or the “Close them” option when the game tells you your eyes feel heavy. The blue butterfly fluttering away is meant to symbolize the character’s death in that moment.

    OK, but how do we know for sure? Well, that answer — funnily enough — comes from the game’s epilogue expansion called “The Answer,” which is a part of Persona 3 FES. That expansion is not part of Persona 3 Reload, but it’s coming in September of 2024 as the Episode Aigis DLC.

    In “The Answer” — and presumably Episode Aigis, based on how faithful Reload is to Persona 3 FES — you play as Aigis a few weeks after graduation and the death of the Leader character (which the game explicitly calls out). If you look back at the final battle against Nyx, the protagonist uses the Universe Persona to perform the Great Seal ability. The cost for casting Great Seal is equal to the Leader’s max health, suggesting that he gave everything to stop Nyx.

    The death is a little bit more complex than that, but we’ll leave you to discover those answers in Episode Aigis. Just trust for now that — unless Atlus makes an absolutely massive change to the story — the Leader is dead.


    Can you save the Leader in Persona 3 Reload?

    The protagonist rests and dies on Aigis’ lap in Persona 3 Reload

    Image: Atlus/Sega via Polygon

    No, technically. While you can choose to get the bad ending for Persona 3 Reload and kill Ryoji back in December, it’s understood that everyone on Earth will eventually die in that reality — even if you never see it. In order for everyone else to survive in Persona 3 Reload, the Leader must give up their own life to stop Nyx.

    Sacrifice is part of the main story thrust of Persona 3 Reload, with many players losing loved ones to heroic moments of sacrifice. Yukari and Mitsuru’s fathers are both great examples of this theming at work. By dying for his friends and the world, the protagonist’s death completes the sacrificial theme.

    Enjoy the game’s beautiful final moments knowing that you did nothing wrong here. You got the game’s good — albeit bittersweet — ending.

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  • Lulu Wang wanted the mystery at the end of Prime Video’s Expats

    Lulu Wang wanted the mystery at the end of Prime Video’s Expats

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    In the end, we know about as much as when we started. Expats, whose first episode started with some open-ended reunions — first a more charged one between Margaret (Nicole Kidman) and Mercy (Ji-young Yoo), and later a calmer, sadder meet-up between Hilary (Sarayu Blue) and Margaret — has left off with those same characters coming together, and the same indefinite feeling permeating their meetings.

    [Ed. note: This post will now start discussing spoilers for the end of Expats.]

    What we still don’t know is what happened to Gus, or what Mercy is going to do next with her own baby, or even, technically, how these women all feel about each other at the end of the day. But that’s exactly how showrunner Lulu Wang wanted the adaptation of Janice Y.K. Lee’s 2016 novel The Expatriates to feel. As she tells Polygon, she sees the ending as its own sort of beginning, and the mystery that drives so much of the pain in Expats was never the point she wanted to leave us with.

    This conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.

    Polygon: So, starting off, how did you think about and approach the tone of the ending for each of the characters?

    Lulu Wang: I think I wanted it to feel both, like, macro and micro. Both large in scope of the world, and global, but also so deeply personal. It’s a mother looking for her child. But it’s also all of us looking for a way to move on, to grieve, to find closure, to be happy, to find forgiveness, to be gentler on ourselves.

    So I think visually, it was always really important to me that I have that really long take of Margaret walking through the city with her backpack on. And in many ways, she becomes part of the city; she’s now no longer able to separate herself from the streets and from the people and from the elements, because her son is out there somewhere. And for Mercy it was about getting to realize that she just wants to be loved. We hate her so much, she does all of these things, and she makes all of these choices. But that moment of her where we really realize she’s just a kid, and her mother brings her soup — I think that’s one of the most heartbreaking [bits] of, like, Oh, wow, she’s really young. She’s just a kid and she’s dealing with these really adult situations. And for Hilary, just breaking free, you know, we always envision her ending having a lot of color, and I wanted her to almost, like, yeah, she’s lost everything, but in a way she’s coming back to life. And she’s this butterfly and she, you know, goes from very monochromatic to embracing a lot of color.

    Photo: Jupiter Wong/Prime Video

    I’m curious how you thought about establishing the tone of the series directorally. What was it you felt like early on you gravitated toward in terms of getting the mood just right for what you were looking for with this adaptation?

    I didn’t want it to be a plot-driven series where we were watching to solve the crime. I wanted it to really be an exploration of grief — I wanted it to feel like the book, because that’s what the book felt like. It was this tapestry of characters, of all of these different backgrounds, and against this very complex setting. And there are all of these different ways that people are trying to cope in different ways.

    And so I think that really looking to the book, and I would pull out sentences, and then I would talk to my DP, and we would watch films together — we watched this great French series called Les Revenants, “the return,” which is a zombie series about the return of the dead. But it’s not what you would think. It’s really about grief and about time passing. We would watch foreign films, like this Icelandic film called A White, White Day. We watched Nashville, which is one of my favorites. We also looked at a lot of photographs.

    So just putting together those images, I think we wanted to have there be a sense of a haunting, and have an emptiness.

    That haunting really comes through, and I’d love to know what formed in your mind’s eye as you were thinking about how to show an absence or illustrate, if not a total emptiness, that lack?

    I think we talked a lot in the writers room about ambiguous loss, and about not having closure, and all of the different ways in which we carry trauma that is not visible. It’s not always as simple as, OK, this person died. And now I’m grieving. Sometimes you never get closure, you never get to say goodbye. Sometimes you’re grieving the loss of time. Sometimes you’re grieving the loss of memory […] where the person is still there, but they’re not there in the way that you know them. So how do you relate to them? And how do you grieve?

    I think that’s why — and I did this with The Farewell also — [I focused on] really looking at space, and having the ability to do wide shots, where people are really isolated in the frame.

    Margaret (Nicole Kidman) standing alone at the top of a plane jetway

    Photo: Atsushi Nishijima/Prime Video

    Mercy (Ji-young Yoo) sitting in a waiting room alone

    Photo: Jupiter Wong/Prime Video

    Lulu Wang standing at a table with Ji-young Yoo and Nicole Kidman behind the scenes of Expats

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    Margaret, for example, she seeks out in her grief a place where she can be alone. And the emptiness of that room gives her comfort somehow, because she’s able to be someone else. She’s not constantly reminded of the tragedy. And so that was a really pivotal image for us was having Nicole in a practical location in Hong Kong. She had to go up the seven flights of stairs. It was her first day of shooting. I was like, Oh my god, she’s gonna hate me. This is Nicole Kidman. I’m having her trek up the stairs, there’s no elevator. We’re in this tiny room, and there’s windows everywhere so that we can really see Hong Kong and all the windows and all the lives inside of all of those windows, you know? And she’s here in this tiny box of a room, and there’s this weird purple bathtub. Like something kind of almost Murakami-esque, right, about the strange places we find ourselves in and the strange feelings we get from them.

    Definitely. And to your point about almost dodging the mystery of it, I’m curious how you build the final sort of confrontation between all these women. There’s this sense in the finale of it as a staccato conversation, these bits and pieces chopped up.

    In a way, it’s like a visual voice-over, I suppose. I wanted it to feel like they were addressing the audience; I wanted to play with this [idea that] everything they were saying, the other woman could also be saying almost those same things. It’s a specific conversation, but it’s also a universal conversation; it’s endings and beginnings. It’s apologies, and not being able to find the words to apologize. They all have been the other woman in different situations. And the series deals a lot with perpetrators and victims. And we always empathize with victims, it’s easy to identify with them. But it’s much more difficult to actually have compassion for the people who commit the acts and make the mistakes. And it was really important to us that all of these women were perpetrators and victims at the same time — but in different stories. In someone else’s story they are the perpetrator; in their own story, they are the victim. And to be able to hold all of those truths at once — it just felt like having that symmetry of their faces linked them.

    Expats is now streaming on Prime Video.

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  • Argylle’s Twists and Post-Credits Scene, Explained

    Argylle’s Twists and Post-Credits Scene, Explained

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    This post contains spoilers for Argylle.

    Update, February 2, 12:30 p.m. ET: The actual writers of Argylle, the book, have been revealed: Terry Hayes, an Australian author and screenwriter best known for 2013’s I Am Pilgrim, and Tammy Cohen, a British writer of psychological thrillers. The pair went public in an interview with The Telegraph. Both Hayes and Cohen were previously floated by Vanity Fair as prime suspects for authorship of Argylle.

    “God, I hope all the people that pre-ordered on the basis that Taylor wrote it aren’t disappointed,” Cohen told the publication in reference to the popular theory that Taylor Swift was behind the book.

    “I hope they are!” Hayes quipped. “If that’s why they buy a book, they deserve every punishment they get.”

    The hardest part of keeping their involvement with the project a secret for the last three years was “not being able to tell my support group of writer friends who I ring up every time I get into a mess,” Cohen said. “And also trying to account for a large amount of time when I apparently haven’t produced a book.” Hayes, who took a decade to complete his second novel, 2023’s The Year of the Locust, joked, “That was no problem for me.”

    The original post continues below.

    In the lead-up to Argylle, a new spy thriller from director Matthew Vaughn, Swifties and civilians alike attempted to decipher who wrote the novel that supposedly inspired the film. But in the words of Jodie Foster in True Detective, the world has been asking the wrong question. The issue isn’t who wrote Argylle, it’s why that author’s identity has been kept under wraps when the film’s biggest twist and post-credits scene motives have already been revealed.

    First, a refresher: The film stars Bryce Dallas Howard as Elly Conway, author of a series of novels about a spy named Argylle. There is also an actual Argylle novel allegedly written by a real Elly Conway, who has a verified social media presence. Onlookers have speculated that the book was written by everyone from an under-the-radar real novelist to Taylor Swift. The Argylle team waited a while to extinguish that last bit of gossip, though Vanity Fair’s sources confirmed back in October that Swift is not the author. As John Cena, who plays henchman Wyatt in the film, recently told Today: “I can’t think of a better way for people to get to know Argylle—a movie where the tagline is, ‘The greater the spy, the bigger the lie’—than with some misdirection, some spy-type deception,” adding, “I got to debunk the rumor, but I’m grateful for Taylor and her fans to be so engaged, and it really fits in with our theme.”

    The film version of Argylle contains details that can also be found in the real Conway’s digital footprint. The character mentions working as a small-town waitress before she was in an ice skating accident; Conway’s actual author bio on the Penguin Random House website mentions that “she wrote her first novel about Agent Argylle while working as a waitress in a late-night diner.” An author’s note in the book states that Conway conceived of the plot in a “febrile dream” that occurred after a “terrible accident.”

    In the film, a fan of Conway’s points out the author’s talent for predicting real-life geopolitical events in the pages of her novels. “The secret is research, research, research,” Howard’s character replies. “Although that is what I would say as a real spy, so…” This is apparently what catches the attention of The Division, a cartoonishly evil group that begins to hunt Conway. In turn, the CIA sends Sam Rockwell’s spy, Aidan Wilde, to protect Elly.

    Conway doesn’t know who to trust—an anxiety that is vindicated when she discovers that the people who purport to be her parents (played by Bryan Cranston and Catherine O’Hara) are actually Division baddies posing as mom and dad.

    And then the film takes another twist. We learn that Elly Conway is not a real person, but a new identity that the evil duo gave Howard’s character after she began suffering from amnesia. Elly Conway is actually Agent R. (as in Rachel) Kylle, Samuel L. Jackson’s former CIA director, Alfred Solomon, tells her. Kylle was a top agency operative who fell into a coma and was then brainwashed by the opposition. The Division tricked her into becoming a reclusive author in hopes that her novels, based on Kylle’s actual repressed memories, would lead them to an all-important missing data file. As Alfie summarizes it: “The books are not predictions. They are memories of who you are.”

    Of course, the real-life novel nods to this reveal. Conway dedicates the book to “Mom and Dad, who have been beside me every step of the way.”

    Rachel’s amnesia begins to fade as her combat skills return. By the end of the film, just call her Zach Bryan, because she remembers everything and can thus save the day in outlandish fashion.

    (from left) Elly Conway (Bryce Dallas Howard) and Alfred Solomon (Samuel L. Jackson) in Argylle, directed by Matthew Vaughn.Peter Mountain/Universal Pictures,Apple Original Films,and MARV



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  • Emerald Fennell explains why Saltburn’s ending had to be so… naked

    Emerald Fennell explains why Saltburn’s ending had to be so… naked

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    Saltburn has shaped up as one of 2023’s most divisive love-it-or-hate-it movies. Emerald Fennell’s follow-up to her 2020 writer-director debut, Promising Young Woman, is radically different from that movie in look and tone, but her talent for pushing boundaries and demanding a response is still front and center, and Saltburn is the kind of button-pusher that generally either thrills people or makes them angry. Critics have responded both ways: “Superficially smart and deeply stupid,” Mick LaSalle grumps in the San Francisco Chronicle, while Entertainment Weekly’s Maureen Lee Lenker calls it “a triumph of the cinema of excess, in all its orgiastic, unapologetic glory.”

    And one of the most divisive elements is the ending, which can be read equally as sly art or rank titillation, depending on how you feel about full-frontal male nudity. Polygon dug into it in an interview with Fennell shortly before the movie’s release.

    [Ed. note: End spoilers for Saltburn follow.]

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    In the movie, hungry social climber Oliver (Barry Keoghan) gradually becomes close to his rich, popular Oxford classmate Felix Catton (Priscilla co-star Jacob Elordi), who brings Oliver to his immense family estate, Saltburn, and introduces him to his family. Felix’s elitist, removed parents, Sir James Catton (Richard E. Grant) and Elspeth Catton (Rosamund Pike), make a hollow show of welcoming Oliver. But Felix’s jaded sister, Venetia (Alison Oliver), clearly sees him as a new toy, and Felix’s vicious, jealous cousin Farleigh (Archie Madekwe) sees him as a rival and an unwelcome upstart.

    As it happens, Farleigh is right — Oliver is lying about virtually everything that brought him together with Felix. He invented a family tragedy to make himself a tragic and dramatic figure. A series of flashbacks shows how Oliver engineered their early relationship by pretending to be penniless when he had plenty of money, and by sabotaging Felix’s bike in order to “help” when it broke down.

    The later parts of their relationship are even darker: Felix appears to die in an unclear accident, and Venetia appears to kill herself out of grief. But further flashbacks show that Oliver murdered both of them, out of fear of being ejected from Saltburn, and resentment for the way they’ve both rejected him. It’s also clear that he sets Farleigh up to be disinherited, then poisons Elspeth after James dies, all in order to inherit Saltburn himself.

    And in the final scene, Keoghan dances through the estate, stark naked and triumphant, waggling his ass to Sophie Ellis-Bextor’s “Murder on the Dancefloor,” and presiding over a sad little row of memorial stones with the family members’ names on them, dredged up from the estate’s waterways to form a kind of ritual audience for his dance.

    “The movie always ended with Oliver walking naked through the house,” Fennell tells Polygon. “It’s an act of desecration. It’s also an act of territory, taking on ownership, but it’s solitary.”

    Oliver (Barry Keoghan) and Felix Catton (Jacob Elordi), in tuxes, sit together on a small stone bridge over a pond with Venetia (Alison Oliver) standing nearby in Saltburn

    Photo: Chiabella James/Prime Video

    As viewers watch the scene, Fennell wants them to notice Oliver’s path through the house, which is a reversal of his entry to the house earlier in the film. When Felix introduces Oliver to Saltburn with a small tour, it’s an invitation to a place that doesn’t belong to him. And when he does his dance, he’s following that same path in reverse, this time boldly claiming the space instead of shyly tiptoeing into it.

    “The nudity is an act of ownership,” she says. “It wouldn’t be the same if he’s just walking through the house in his pajamas. It’s that he’s walking through his house. It’s his fucking house, and he can do whatever he wants to with it. And that’s what makes it thrilling and beautiful.”

    The original script had Oliver symbolically claiming the house by walking through it, but Fennell says something about the scene as she’d planned it didn’t sit well with her. “It just became apparent as we were filming it that the naked walk was not really going to have the feeling of triumph and joy, elation and post-coital success [I wanted]. It felt lonely and sort of empty. It speaks to Barry that when I said to him, ‘I don’t think it can be a walk, I think it needs to be a dance,’ — that’s the thing about Barry as a performer. He profoundly understood and completely agreed, and knew it had to be that way. There really wasn’t another way we could do it, given the film we’d just seen. To me, it feels like the ultimate sympathy for the devil.”

    Fennell has already talked about how Saltburn simultaneously has sympathy for everyone in the film, and for no one — there are no outright villains in the story, in her opinion, just people with understandably flawed ways of looking at the world. That perspective helped her sympathize with Oliver at the end, which she hopes the audience will do as well, even though he’s an unrepentant murderer.

    “We have to be on his side at the end,” she says. “It’s crucial that the more violent he is, the more cruel, the more he plays them at their own game, the more we love him, even though we loved them, too. We have to feel at the end, like, ‘Yeah, yeah, get it.’ The way Oliver gets it is the way the Cattons would have got it in the first place. How do people build these houses? How do they make these houses? They’re built by violent means and got by violent means. So that’s where it ends as well.”

    Saltburn is in theaters now.

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  • The Marvels ending and post-credits scenes, explained: A new team-up in the MCU

    The Marvels ending and post-credits scenes, explained: A new team-up in the MCU

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    The Marvels, the latest big-screen spectacle from the Marvel Cinematic Universe is out in theatres today. Directed by Nia DaCosta, the film features Brie Larson, Iman Vellani, Teyonah Parris, Samuel L. Jackson and a much-talked-about Park Seo-joon cameo. The cosmic adventure is positioned as a fast-paced superheroine team-up. While it isn’t a head-scratcher when compared to recent titles dealing with the multiverse, the film is tasked with setting up more than one plot line within the messy web that is the MCU. That is a tall order for one movie amidst many, not to forget the Marvel TV shows. So if you find yourself struggling to keep up as the film heads “faster, higher and stronger” into the next phase, here’s a quick run-through of everything that went down during the film’s 1 hour 45 mins runtime.

    Read on to understand the ending and post-credits scenes of The Marvels:

    What happens during the ending of The Marvels?

    The Marvels opens with a puzzling phenomenon. Three superheroes – Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel, Kamala Khan aka Ms. Marvel and Monica Rambeau, find themselves entangled in each other’s lives. After Monica comes in contact with a jump gate in space, they end up rapidly switching places whenever they use their light-based powers. They must band together to get to the bottom of this. Meanwhile, Nick Fury provides assistance from his space station S.A.B.E.R. Through the course of the movie, we find out that Carol goes by another name – the Annihilator. On a mission to save the Kree from an AI called the Supreme Intelligence, Carol ends up leaving their planet Hala in ruins. While Carol feels guilty, Dar-Benn who witnessed the devastation stumbles upon a lost Quantum Band (the other pair is the bangle that is passed on to Kamala Khan). She begins to use it to gain resources for a home planet. She does this by punching a hole in space and time and extracting the water, the sun etc. And she picks the target planets that have a connection with Captain Marvel. Towards the end of the movie, Dar-Benn decides to get the Earth’s sun. Her attempt ends up creating a hole in another universe. To patch the hole, Monica comes up with a plan that involves Carol and Kamala combining their powers, generating enough energy for her to fix the hole. The science of this plan isn’t exactly laid out for the viewers but it looks like it is a success. But there is a catch. While they’re able to save the Kree’s home, Monica seems to be lost. And, she knew the risks but was mentally prepared for the sacrifice. Carol and Kamala return home to Earth along with Nick Fury and the folks on S.A.B.E.R who are transported through Flerkens. Make of that what you will.

    SEE ALSO: Upcoming Marvel Movies: The Marvels, Deadpool 3 and More

    The Marvels ending

    Where is Monica Rambeau?

    The answer to that question is in the mid-credits scene of The Marvels. Monica wakes up with a start in a hospital-like setting with IV tubes on her arm. At her bedside, she finds a woman who looks exactly like Maria Rambeau. Startled, she instinctively calls her “mom” with tears in her eyes while the woman looks confused. We then see X-Men’s Beast (voiced by Kelsey Grammar). He explains that Monica has travelled to space and time and reached a parallel reality where Maria is the hero Binary. We see her in full superhero costume. The realisation hits Monica who must contend with the new reality she is placed in. This confirms the long-speculated link between the MCU and the X-Men. Finally! Back on Earth, Carol and Kamala are heartbroken but remain hopeful about Maria’s return.

    Is Kamala Khan assembling the Young Avengers?

    The Marvels opens at the close of the series Ms. Marvel where Carol Danvers finds herself transported to Kamala’s home in New Jersey. The end of the film looks like a full-circle moment for Kamala’s arc as she takes her next steps as a superhero. She seems to be taking a leaf out of Nick Fury’s book as she sets out to do some recruiting. In the end-credits scene of the MCU film, Kamala is seated in a dark room in New York City. When the lights come on, we see Hailee Steinfeld’s Kate Bishop. Kamala uses Fury’s line “Did you think you were the only kid superhero in the world?” She tells Kate that she has a file on her referring to S.A.B.E.R’s tablet with intel. She then goes on the say that she is about to become a part of a “larger universe” and that she’s putting together a team. She also mentions Ant-Man’s daughter. After hilariously taking a pause, she quips, “Please?” The end-credits scene of The Marvels alludes to the Young Avengers coming together. The MCU’s phase 4 has introduced quite a few young superheroes including America Chavez who made an appearance in Doctor Strange 2, Ant-Man’s daughter Cassie Lang and Wanda’s twin sons Billy and Tommy. These characters feature in the Young Avengers team-up that made a first appearance in a 2005 comic book run. Alternatively, Ms. Marvel could also be setting up the Champions.

    The Marvels ending

    What does the ending mean for the MCU?

    The Marvels has a largely satisfying ending with the lead characters showing personal growth while the plot establishes upcoming adventures. Carol seems to have changed her space-hopping ways and finally settles down in Louisiana where Kamala’s family – Muneeba, Yusuf and Aamir help her move into Maria and Monica’s old home. It seems like Kamala and Carol have become close friends. It is also important to note that Kamala has both bangles by the end of the film. It also looks like Nick Fury and his S.A.B.E.R. crew comprising humans and aliens wind up staying on Earth. It is safe to assume that all the key characters in the film will go on to make waves in upcoming films and TV shows.

    SEE ALSO: Upcoming Hollywood movies releasing in November 2023: The Marvels, Napoleon and more

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  • Our Flag Means Death spoilers: The show’s creator unpacks the big drama of season 2’s penultimate episode

    Our Flag Means Death spoilers: The show’s creator unpacks the big drama of season 2’s penultimate episode

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    Season 2 of HBO’s pirate comedy/romance Our Flag Means Death takes some big turns by episode 7 — maybe not as big as the season 1 turn, when inept pirate captain Stede Bonnet (Rhys Darby) and Ed “Blackbeard” Teach (Taika Waititi) realized they had romantic feelings for each other, but still… a whole lot of things happen that we figured viewers would want to talk about, once they’d seen it for themselves. So when Polygon sat down with creator and showrunner David Jenkins to talk about season 2, we split the conversation into two parts: an overview of the season’s biggest ideas, and this spoiler-focused conversation about all the surprises in episode 7, including its explosive ending.

    [Ed. note: Read on at your own risk; spoilers abound ahead.]

    Photo: Nicola Dove/Max

    To recap: In episode 7 of Our Flag Means Death season 2, Stede and Blackbeard have just had sex for the first time, and they seem all set for their happily-ever-after together — until Blackbeard abruptly leaves Stede to pursue a job as a fisherman. The crew visits the Republic of Pirates, where Oluwande (Samson Kayo) expresses feelings for Zhang Yi Sao (Ruibo Qian), even though he was previously uncomfortable with her expressing feelings for him when she took over his ship, and even though he and his friend Jim (Vico Ortiz) had a romantic liaison in season 1. They also learn that The Swede (Nat Faxon) has happily settled in as one of 20 husbands to Spanish Jackie (Leslie Jones), even though he was forced into that relationship to save the rest of the crew.

    Yes, that summary does sound like something out of a soap opera, now that you mention it. But this doesn’t: At the end of the episode, a trap set by Prince Ricky (Erroll Shand) obliterates Zhang’s fleet, and the pirates’ haven is destroyed when the English fleet sweeps in to kill or capture the whole cast. Jenkins talks us through it all below.

    This conversation has been edited for concision and clarity.

    Polygon: One thing that really surprised me in season 2 is that you have two different coercive relationships where a man is being uncomfortably forced into an intimate relationship with a woman, and then he later decides he likes it. What kind of conversations went into those relationships and the gender tropes you’re reversing there?

    David Jenkins: With The Swede and Spanish Jackie — she owns [her husbands]. They live in her basement, and she owns them, basically. So already, you’re [ick noise]. But then I love that The Swede really likes her. She’s a gangster, she’s a mob boss. There is a gender aspect to having her in that role. But then he says, “I’ve found parts of myself that I never knew existed, and other parts I thought were long gone.”

    I just liked the idea of Leslie [Jones]’s character and Nat Faxon’s character being together and happy, balancing each other. She’s already got a wild thing going — she’s got 20 husbands. To me, to see that relationship start as kind of a joke, Oh, Leslie’s character’s scary and his character’s timid, and it turns into No, actually, they balance each other pretty well — that’s kind of sweet. It’s less about the fact that she essentially owns him, it’s about the fact that they do care about each other. It’s kind of nice.

    The Swede (Nat Faxon, in a belly-revealing cutoff shirt and tight black leather pants) grins hugely as he bartends at Spanish Jackie’s in episode 7 of season 2 of Our Flag Means Death

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    But you have very much the same dynamic with Zhang and Olu. When they start out, she’s got all the power in the relationship, and she’s kind of predatory about claiming Olu. He’s intimidated and forced into it, and he comes around on deciding he likes her. It just feels like an odd beat to repeat.

    Well, she has all the power in the relationship until she doesn’t. And then she realizes that she’s in love with this guy — he is soft and kind and sweet. And that’s powerful. I think they’re mirrored in Blackbeard and Stede’s relationship — they’re each each other’s manic pixie dream girl.

    I think there is something in the show about how piracy is a brutal way of life. It’s essentially Mad Max, this world. There’s no law, there’s just strong and weak. And in stories like Game of Thrones, we see how that plays out. It’s a lot of women getting raped in stories and you’re like, [resigned ick noise]. In Our Flag, a lot of these relationships aren’t consenting relationships — they’re power-dynamic relationships, because it’s Mad Max. So a thing I like to see in this show is, Well, why is the more powerful person interested in this weaker person? What are they trying to balance?

    In a world where might makes right, and some people just need to align themselves with someone strong, it’s interesting to be like, Well, what does Blackbeard need? What does Spanish Jackie need? What does Zhang Yi Sao need, the most powerful pirate in the world? What happens when she gets into a relationship? What is she looking for? She’s a modern person, what does she need? So you’re always gonna get those weird power dynamics to start with, I think, and then you just try to get to: What’s underneath that? Why are they doing what they’re doing? What are they looking for?

    Jim (Vico Ortiz), Archie (Madeleine Sami), and Olu (Samson Kayo) all stand together outside in the Republic of Pirates, reacting with smiles or shock to something offscreen in season 2, episode 7 of Our Flag Means Death

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    Speaking of what Blackbeard needs, I think some fans will think that him leaving Stede in episode 7 is a form of revenge. It so closely parallels what Stede did to him. You can read it as them being very much alike, running from commitment, or as him trying to hurt Stede. What do you want to say to people freaking out after episode 7?

    Well, there’s a thing I talk about a lot — I really, really liked the Bradley Cooper/Lady Gaga version of A Star Is Born. I like how the dynamic changes between them. Everything we do is collapsed on this show — we talk about these lofty things, but we don’t have the time to execute everything we might like to do. Like, episode 4 is a mini Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, just a very small version of it.

    In this case, we liked the idea that Blackbeard found this guy and made him a legitimate pirate, but now that he’s a star, Blackbeard’s questioning what he wants to do now that he’s lost his appetite for piracy. And Stede’s turned into Lady Gaga’s character. He’s famous now, because he killed the scariest pirate, so that power is inverted. It’s interesting to look at how a relationship changes now that Blackbird isn’t the star anymore and Stede isn’t a hanger-on. Stede got what he wanted; he’s a real boy. Is Blackbeard jealous? Is he uncomfortable with it? When power dynamics shift in a relationship, that leads to trouble. And then it really is just like, What are they going to do? Are they going to make it through it? Can they rebalance? Because that is a sign of a healthy relationship.

    That episode is also a big turning point for Zhang and Olu, and for Olu and Jim. What went into the decisions around them moving in different directions after their connection in season 1?

    I think that relationship was always seen in the room as a friend relationship that got romantic. That tension was interesting to us — it’s like, Well, what if we don’t play them as jealous? What if we play it as, when you love a friend and it becomes romantic, and then you see someone who makes them happy and you know you’re not it, you feel jealous? But also, they’re your friend. You want to see them happy. I think a lot of times, particularly in straight relationships, it’s traumatizing, and could be more about the jealousy. But here, I think it’s nice to see it this way: They truly care about each other enough to just want to see their friend with someone good, someone who takes care of them. In my life, those are the best relationships [with exes]. I do see those among my friends, but I don’t see it dramatized a lot, I just see the negative component dramatized. I like it this way — they’re friends, and they just want to see each other do well.

    Prince Ricky (Erroll Shand) leans over a table at Spanish Jackie’s, talking earnestly to someone offscreen, in season 2, episode 1 of Our Flag Means Death

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    This has never really been a show about villains, but the end of episode 7 feels like a shift in that regard.

    I think a lot of the internal forces in Our Flag are the villains. It’s like, Can you let yourself be loved? Do you know what you want in love? If you know what you want, are you healthy enough to get it? When you start going into the tropes of [Blackbeard impression] Oh, should I be gay or not? or Oh, my friends did me dirty — we’ve seen that a lot. It’s good dramatic fuel, but I don’t think those are the things that drive the show.

    I think the things that drive this show are a bunch of people who care about each other and are trying to figure out how to have relationships. And relationships are hard. Usually, you’re your own bad guy or gal or person in a relationship. It’s rarely [someone] doing something terrible to you — it’s you just trying to figure out your own shit. Hopefully, your friends help.

    The big ending of episode 7 does suggest, though, that there might be more outside pressure coming to the cast, even if it’s just a short-term blip.

    I think this is a story about the age of piracy coming to an end. This way of life is coming to an end. And every Western that’s good is that story: This way of life we made is coming to an end, and it can’t last. […] I think every story about outlaws is about trying to preserve a way of life against normative forces that are kind of fascistic.

    All of which is a big historical moment, as far as the history of piracy, and it’s part of Stede and Blackbeard’s real-life story. Was that element coming in from history, the way you took little parts of Stede and Blackbeard’s relationship from history?

    Using historical beats are good, because they give the story some shape — until they’re not useful, and then you just ignore them. When you feel like you’d rather eat a sandwich, just ignore the history. And then when you feel like, OK, we’re in emotional soup here, we need some downward pressure, then you bring history back in. The balance of the show is 90% ignoring history, and then 10%, bring it in, whenever we’re like, Ah, gotta move the story forward! Remember, the English are out there, and they’re really bad!

    The season 2 finale of Our Flag Means Death airs on Max on Oct. 26.

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  • Secret Invasion Episode 1 Recap and Ending, Explained: Samuel L. Jackson Enters MCU’s Phase 5

    Secret Invasion Episode 1 Recap and Ending, Explained: Samuel L. Jackson Enters MCU’s Phase 5

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    Disclaimer: This article contains major spoilers from Secret Invasion episode 1-2

    After seven odd series featuring our favourite Avengers and new superheroes in everything between a sitcom and a detective drama, the Marvel Cinematic Universe is back with a new series. Secret Invasion directed by Ali Selim, starring Samuel L. Jackson who returns to play Nick Fury is expectedly different. Joining him are Maria Hill (Cobie Smulders), special agent Sonya Falsworth (Olivia Coleman making her MCU debut), General Talos (Ben Mendelsohn), newly introduced Skrull G’iah (Emilia Clarke) and others. Like most series coming from the studio of late, it continues the MCU’s trend of ground-level storytelling. Across 6 episodes, the espionage thriller is set to play out a conflict between the shape shifting Skrulls and Fury. Basically, we can trust nobody.

    Secret Invasion picks up years after the events of Captain Marvel (2019). Back then, Nick Fury and Carol Danvers had promised the Skrulls that they would find them a home, a promise that wasn’t fulfilled. Turns out, the repercussions of lying to a powerful alien race that can take on your mom’s disguise are huge. The first two episodes barely have any superhero action save for an off-duty James Rhodes (Don Cheadle). This is a major departure from the popular comic book run that revolved around Skrulls secretly spying on humans using their abilities to take their form and featured pretty much everything major Marvel superheroes out there.

    Filmfare had the opportunity to view the first two episodes of Secret Invasion ahead of the show’s release. Here’s everything that went down in the premiere and what it all leads up to in the next episode.

    What happens in episode 1 of Secret Invasion?

    Secret Invasion episode 1 opens in Moscow, Russia. We see Everett Ross (Martin Freeman) meeting Agent Prescod who tells him that the Skrulls are responsible for the terrorist attacks happening across the globe. He urges Ross to call Nick Fury to Earth from the S.A.B.E.R Space Station and shows him the Skrulls’ plans to back up his claims. Ross doesn’t look convinced but agrees to make some calls. When he starts acting suspiciously, Prescod senses something is wrong and attacks him. After a chase sequence, it is revealed that Ross is a Skrull – Talos. Of course, this brings Nick Fury back to Earth and he links up with Maria Hill and Talos to take care of the Skrull insurgency.

    Talos briefs Nick Fury about the rebel Skrulls who are tired of waiting around for Fury to find them a new home. They have taken human form and have been orchestrating terrorist attacks to wipe out humans from the planet. And it looks like there are more of them than Fury would like to believe. Talos was kicked out of the Skrull council and Gravik (Kingsley Ben-Adir), a rebel leader, took his place. Elsewhere, we see James Rhodes talking to the President about Fury’s absence on the space station. The president asks him to deal with Fury, naturally upset that he has abandoned his priorities in space.

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    Fury gets kidnapped while he’s on a walk and when he reaches his destination, he is surprised to meet MI6 agent Sonya Falsworth, an old accomplice. Meanwhile, we see G’iah who along with rebel Skrulls has been living in nuclear power plants that have been shut down for years (Skrulls are not affected by radioactivity), bring a Skrull into the fold. Here, it is revealed that they have been living as refugees and kidnapping humans to not just take on their faces but also their minds. It is important to note that G’iah is Talos’ daughter who has joined Gravik and his cause. The latter has a bigger stake in stopping the insurgency.

    What happens at the end of Secret Invasion episode 1?

    Amidst all the chaos, Nick Fury, Maria Hill and General Talos are informed of a terrorist threat from a rebel called Vasily Poprishchin. They need to get a handle on the situation before Sonya, who is also looking for information against the Skrulls, finds out. And she isn’t as forgiving. Gravik asks G’iah to bring over bombs from Vasily. She gets her hands on the bombs before Fury and Co. get there. Maria fails at stopping G’iah. Next up – Talos tries to stop G’iah and reveals that her mother Soren is dead and tells her to stop working with Gravik. This doesn’t work and G’iah carries on with the bomb.

    After another confrontation between Talos and G’iah, we learn that there are so many Skrulls that it is hard to pinpoint who is a human and who is a Skrull in human form. And remember how nobody stopped G’iah from delivering the bombs? Yeah, the bombs did explode. During the attack, Gravik takes on Nick Fury’s disguise and mercilessly kills Maria Hill.

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    So is Maria Hill really dead?

    The most shocking part of Secret Invasion episode 1 is Maria’s death. The character has been on the Marvel roster for years now. To take her out in a show that had the perfect opportunity to explore her story further seems like a strange move. While Gravik kills Maria, Fury feels responsible (as he should). It is a heartbreaking moment in a show steeped in the lingering feeling of loss. Maria trusted him and has been a consistent help to Fury since she was first introduced in The Avengers (2012). Hill dies in his arms. Not only did Fury lose one of his most important allies, but his presence in Russia also complicated things for the U.S.

    What will happen in episode 2?

    While the first episode is slow in the build-up, the next episode moves fast. Without spoiling much, Fury will be left to deal with the fallout of the terrorist attack. Not only will he have to contend with his personal loss but also answer for his part in Maria’s death. Episode 2 will also reveal more about the rebel Skrulls’ plans. More importantly, Fury will be visited by an old friend who will come bearing unexpected information and intentions.

    The first episode of Secret Invasion is currently streaming.

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  • ‘Succession’ Will End With Upcoming Season 4, Says Creator

    ‘Succession’ Will End With Upcoming Season 4, Says Creator

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    Following hints that his series was approaching a conclusion, Succession creator and showrunner Jesse Armstrong confirmed on Thursday that his HBO hit will end with its upcoming fourth season. “It’s pretty definitively the end,” the five-time Emmy winner told The New Yorker. “We could have said it at the end of the season…but, also, the countervailing thought is that we don’t hide the ball very much on the show. I feel a responsibility to the viewership.”

    Succession, which examines the murky power dynamics between a powerful aging media mogul and the adult children angling to carry on his legacy, has developed into one of HBO’s most successful series since its bow on the network in 2018. Armstrong has gone undefeated in the drama writing Emmy category, taking that trophy for each of the first three seasons, while the show itself has won the top outstanding drama series prize for its last two seasons. HBO reported that the season three finale delivered a series-high audience of 1.7 million among same-day viewers, and that average episodic viewership was up more than 50% over season two. 

    “I’ve never thought this could go on forever. The end has always been kind of present in my mind. From Season 2, I’ve been trying to think: Is it the next one, or the one after that, or is it the one after that?” Armstrong told The New Yorker of his decision to end the show. “We could do a couple of short seasons, or two more seasons. Or we could go on for ages and turn the show into something rather different, and be a more rangy, freewheeling kind of fun show, where there would be good weeks and bad weeks. Or we could do something a bit more muscular and complete, and go out sort of strong. And that was definitely always my preference.” Of whether he could change his mind and continue the show, Armstrong added, “this succession story that we were telling is complete…but the feeling that there could be something else in an allied world, or allied characters, or some of the same characters—that’s also strong in me.”

    The third season built to siblings Kendall (Jeremy Strong), Shiv (Sarah Snook), and Roman (Kieran Culkin) overcoming longstanding rivalries by banding together to try and oust their father, Logan (Brian Cox), only for the plan to be spoiled by Shiv’s husband, Tom (Matthew MacFadyen). The finale ends with Logan once again on top. “Logan is continually expressing his desire for this sort of imperial or monarchical—I’m trying to avoid the word ‘succession,’ but—succession,” Armstrong said of the patriarch’s mindset going into season 4. “And at the same time, as a human being, he desperately wants to win. That includes winning over these people he sees before him, to whom he wants to give power and influence. He wants them to be able to inherit it. He’s a good vessel for that paradox.”

    The fourth season will begin on a birthday party for Logan, just as the series premiere did. The plot for where this final stretch of episodes might go remains firmly under wraps otherwise, though Armstrong did tell The New Yorker there may be some potential to stay in this world beyond whatever conclusion he reaches. “Maybe there’s another part of this world we could come back to, if there was an appetite?” he said. “Maybe there’s something else that could be done, that harnessed what’s been good about the way we’ve worked on this.” For those already in mourning, we can only hope.

    Succession’s fourth and final season premieres March 26 on HBO. 

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