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  • Ex-Prosecutor On Trump’s CNN Town Hall: He ‘Continues To Incriminate Himself’

    Ex-Prosecutor On Trump’s CNN Town Hall: He ‘Continues To Incriminate Himself’

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    Glenn Kirschner, a former U.S. Army prosecutor and an MSNBC legal analyst, explained how former President Donald Trump has a “determination to continue to directly incriminate himself” as he “digs his own legal grave deeper” in the wake of his CNN town hall event last week. (You can hear from Kirschner clip below)

    Kirschner, in a video shared to his YouTube page, slammed CNN for their “ill-advised” decision to host Trump who he referred to as a man who tried to end American democracy.

    “Some good did come out of it because Donald Trump gave prosecutors and plaintiffs some directly incriminating and actionable evidence,” explained Kirschner before noting his comments on classified documents along with his lie about a Georgia election official.

    The former president, at other times during the event, mocked moderator Kaitlan Collins along with E. Jean Carroll, who just won a sexual abuse lawsuit against Trump and is considering suing him again over his remarks about her on Wednesday.

    “The jury awarded punitive damages [to Carroll]… Punitive damages are designed to deter Donald Trump from telling defamatory lies in the future. And of course, within days of that jury verdict, Donald Trump goes right out and he does it all over again,” Kirschner said.

    “Donald Trump will not be deterred by a jury’s verdict or punitive damages… by a judge’s admonitions that he shouldn’t say things like this… by a judge’s protective order or gag order. You know what will deter Donald Trump? A jail cell.”

    CNN has come under fire for airing the event in a decision that anchor Anderson Cooper attempted to defend, remarks that have since been panned by MSNBC anchor Joy Reid.

    Kirschner, in his video, argued that Trump shouldn’t be “given a microphone and a platform to spew his lies.”

    “Even if a byproduct of having that microphone, having that platform is he digs his own legal grave deeper because he continues to incriminate himself,” he said.

    “It is time to deter Donald Trump. Because justice matters.”

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  • Joy Reid Rips Anderson Cooper Over Going To Bat For CNN’s Trump Town Hall

    Joy Reid Rips Anderson Cooper Over Going To Bat For CNN’s Trump Town Hall

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    MSNBC host Joy Reid panned CNN’s Anderson Cooper for his “straw man argument” in defense of his network hosting a town hall event with former President Donald Trump. (You can watch her remarks below)

    Reid likened the event to a “MAGA version of the ‘Jerry Springer’ show’” as CNN takes heat for Trump’s remarks including a “nasty person” jab at moderator Kaitlan Collins and his “whack job” comment aimed at E. Jean Carroll, who won a lawsuit against Trump after a jury found him liable for sexual abuse on Tuesday.

    “We begin with the continued cleanup on aisle five at CNN,” said Reid.

    The host, on Friday, looked at comments from CNN’s Chairman and CEO Chris Licht where he reportedly went to bat for the town hall. Licht, according to a Puck News report, “summoned” CNN media reporter Oliver Darcy to a meeting after he argued in a newsletter that it was difficult to see how Americans were served by Trump’s lies.

    Reid then analyzed comments from Cooper, who she said was “scolding his own viewers” on Thursday. Critics slammed Cooper over his defense of the network as he argued that the town hall audience – who laughed and applauded Trump – is a “sampling of about half the country.”

    “Now that is what you call a straw man argument,” Reid said of the CNN anchor’s remarks.

    “Especially [when] the only two options available to you are listening to a former president mock a woman a jury found that he sexually abused while the audience laughs and applauds or pretending 74 million Americans who voted for Trump don’t exist.”

    Reid added that voters didn’t need a “Trump pep rally” to understand who he is.

    “He literally posts his garbage views on his fake Twitter every day and every media outlet reports on it,” Reid said.

    “We get it, a lot of people like it and vote for it. But we don’t need CNN or John Malone or Elon Musk or Anderson Cooper to lecture us about how we should be forced to endure it, or that we should just get used to it. Because some of us actually know that that stuff is wrong.”

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  • Controversial Trump town hall sparks heated reactions

    Controversial Trump town hall sparks heated reactions

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  • Trump Condemned For Giving Platform To CNN

    Trump Condemned For Giving Platform To CNN

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    GOFFSTOWN, NH—With critics calling the former president’s highly anticipated town hall a “disgrace” for all involved,” Donald Trump was widely condemned Thursday for giving a platform to CNN. “It was dangerous, irresponsible, and downright disgusting for President Trump to provide CNN with a large national audience like that,” said media critic Greg Polinsky, who added that Trump was effectively rewarding the news network for the bad behavior it had exhibited going back to its coverage of his 2016 presidential campaign. “Like everyone in America, CNN has a right to free speech, but that doesn’t mean Trump should help it promote yet another sensationalized ratings grab. It isn’t right for a former president of the United States to legitimize their journalistic malpractice like that.” Polinsky went on to object to Trump’s agreement to participate in an unfiltered live-broadcast format, which doesn’t give CNN’s shoddy reporting an opportunity to be put into context.

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  • CNN’s Donald Trump Town Hall Was Essentially a Campaign Rally

    CNN’s Donald Trump Town Hall Was Essentially a Campaign Rally

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    CNN CEO Chris Licht cut right to the chase on Thursday’s 9 a.m. call with network staff. “I realize there’s been backlash and that’s expected,” he said about the widely criticized town hall CNN hosted with former president Donald Trump, the Republican front-runner, the night before. Licht congratulated moderator Kaitlan Collins “on a masterful performance,” in which she “asked the tough questions and followed up and fact-checked Donald Trump in real time” and “made a ton of news.” He referenced an Axios piece—an article that downplayed the outrage as “Twitter-bubble hysterics”—that did an “incredible job laying out everything new we learned.” 

    Watching Wednesday’s town hall, though, news was hardly the takeaway. It was an ugly spectacle, in which the former president lied about everything from the 2020 election to the January 6 Capitol attack that he incited and Democrats’ abortion policies. He smeared the writer E. Jean Carroll, a day after a jury found him liable for sexually abusing and defaming her. And the live audience, of New Hampshire Republican and undeclared primary voters, laughed and cheered as he did. When the town hall concluded after about 70 minutes, CNN turned to a panel that included GOP representative Byron Donalds, who refused to concede that Trump lost the 2020 election and attacked Collins’s moderation. “I suspect you won’t see him on [air] talking about election results in the future,” a source close to Licht told Vanity Fair. 

    Prior to the town hall, producers were concerned about the recap panels being too negative on Trump, Vanity Fair has learned. There was also concern that Trump might walk off in the early portion of the town hall, and producers wanted the recap panelists seated and ready to go by 8 p.m. in case the main event ended earlier than planned. When the town hall concluded, many of the faces on the panel, save for Donalds, appeared stricken, a sober mood in sharp contrast to the preshow punditry talk that gave some déjà vu to 2016. “This will not come as a shock,” said one CNN journalist, “but I don’t know anyone who was happy with last night. The mood is absolutely the lowest it’s been in the Licht tenure, and that’s saying a lot.”

    None of what Trump did Wednesday night is new. He has been lying about his election loss to Joe Biden for nearly two and a half years, and started rewriting other parts of history long before that. What was different, however, was seeing it play out on CNN. This was Trump’s first appearance on CNN in years—he hasn’t done an interview with the network since his 2016 presidential campaign, and repeatedly dismissed CNN as “fake news” throughout his presidency. The town hall was CNN’s idea, one the network brought to veteran Trump adviser Jason Miller a couple months ago, per The Wall Street Journal. Licht had “taken an especially hands-on role preparing for the event,” Politico reported. “It’s a reset for Chris,” an insider told the outlet. 

    But the town hall seemed out of CNN’s control from the get-go, made worse by the crowd, which applauded Trump when he called Collins “a nasty person” and suggested “she doesn’t understand” the subject matter, and laughed when he called Carroll “a whack job.” (Politico reported earlier on Wednesday that the Trump campaign is “expected to fundraise off the Carroll decision.”) On Thursday morning’s call, Licht noted that “while it might’ve been uncomfortable to hear people clapping in response to some of the president’s answers, that audience represents the views of a large swath of America. The mistake the media made in the past is ignoring that they exist.” He added, “Just as you cannot ignore that President Trump exists. The idea of doing so is [an] overcorrection of a time when nets took campaign rallies live.”

    Wednesday’s town hall, though, seemed to confirm that while the media cannot ignore Trump, it also cannot treat him like any other candidate. That was CNN’s approach going in: The network’s political director David Chalian told me last week that Trump being a “unique candidate…does not make our approach any different, in the sense that we hold every candidate who comes to CNN accountable for their words.” The issue Wednesday, however, was that Trump simply spewed out too many falsehoods for any moderator to catch them all. Many gave Collins credit: “This isn’t @kaitlancollins fault (she is doing the best one can), but this is a gushing geyser of disinformation that cannot be fact-checked in real time,” former Obama communications director Dan Pfeiffer tweeted

    Collins covered the Trump White House for CNN, and on several occasions clashed publicly with the former president. Such incidents ranged from Trump declaring CNN “fake news” to banning Collins from a Rose Garden press conference after she asked questions about former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen and Russian president Vladimir Putin. 

    On Wednesday, Trump repeated some of familiar lines and lies, including calling the deadly Capitol attack “a beautiful day” and saying former vice president Mike Pence had the power to “put the votes back to the state legislatures” and overturn the results (he did not have that authority). He continued to stand by his remarks about women in the 2005 Access Hollywood tape, in which he bragged about grabbing women “by the pussy”—comments he doubled down on in his taped deposition for the Carroll suit. “I can’t take it back because it happens to be true,” Trump told Collins Wednesday. He also lied about abortion, claiming baselessly—in a statement that went unchecked—that before Roe v. Wade was overturned, “they could kill the baby in the ninth month or after the baby was born.”

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  • Trump’s Still Stuck In 2020, And Other Takeaways From His CNN Town Hall

    Trump’s Still Stuck In 2020, And Other Takeaways From His CNN Town Hall

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    Donald Trump is still running like it’s 2020.

    It’s been well over two years since Trump lost the last presidential election, but we might as well still be binging “Tiger King” and washing our groceries.

    During a CNN town hall filled with New Hampshire voters who planned to vote in the state’s first-in-the-nation GOP presidential primary ― the audience seemed to side more often with Trump than the network’s Kaitlan Collins, the moderator who fought an unwinnable battle to fact-check Trump in real time — the former president seemed frozen in time.

    Even Trump’s insult of moderator Collins, calling her a “nasty person” for her fact checks, harkened back to the insults he’s used against other women. He famously called his then-opponent Hillary Clinton a “nasty woman” during a presidential debate in 2016.

    The event made clear that Trump doesn’t intend to refine his approach at all to capture the votes that clearly eluded him in 2020. He’s still hellbent on talking about unpopular issues and acting as if he’s already the GOP nominee, despite the swelling GOP primary field and the opposition he’ll likely soon face from Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

    Here are the takeaways from a bizzaro 2024 town hall.

    Trump in 2024 is very much Trump in 2020.

    Trump Acted Like He’s Already The GOP Nominee

    Except for a mention or two of DeSantis — whom Trump has anointed with the clumsy nickname “DeSanctimonious” — the former president didn’t speak much about his possible opponents, undercutting the idea the town hall was for the primary.

    Even though polls show Trump with a healthy early lead in the primary, he is acting as if his main opponent right now is President Joe Biden and ignoring the Republican rivals, declared or likely, who might ascend over the next year. Those include former UN ambassador Nikki Haley, former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy.

    Trump spent relatively little time going after Biden, either, despite his campaign releasing a statement that claimed Trump “laid out his vision to reverse the Biden Decline.”

    Trump alluded to the polls that show him beating his next closest rival, DeSantis, after Collins asked him whether his recent loss in the civil case brought by the writer E. Jean Carroll, who accused Trump of rape, might lose him votes. “My poll numbers just went up,” Trump said, to audience applause.

    Trump Is Still Talking About Unpopular Issues

    The town hall did not go well for CNN. But that doesn’t mean it went well for Trump.

    While the former president declined to give a straight answer on a federal abortion ban — “what I will do is negotiate so that people are happy” — he took credit for the Supreme Court’s unpopular reversal of Roe v. Wade, giving Democrats a fresh soundbite when he called it a “great victory.”

    The GOP needs to toe a delicate line after the 2022 midterms and subsequent special elections revealed the backlash to the elimination of abortion rights was far more intense than they expected. Polls consistently show a majority of the country is upset about the reversal of Roe, a ruling Trump enabled with the appointment of three of the Supreme Court justices who struck down the decades-old precedent.

    Trump and the rest of the GOP presidential primary field are in a tricky spot: They need to woo conservative evangelicals in the presidential primary while not staking out an extreme position that would alienate moderates in the general election.

    The former president has yet to moderate any of the previous stances that are similarly duds for voters. He opened the town hall harping on the 2020 election and his enduring lie that it was stolen, deflected blame for the Jan. 6 attack and the ensuing violence at the Capitol, and refused to condemn Russia and ensure military aid to Ukraine.

    Democrats were excited by Trump’s performance. “It’s simple, folks,” Biden’s reelection campaign wrote on Twitter, providing a link to donate to the incumbent. “Do you want four more years of that?”

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  • Trump Railroads Kaitlan Collins With Lies In CNN’s Shitshow Town Hall

    Trump Railroads Kaitlan Collins With Lies In CNN’s Shitshow Town Hall

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    CNN’s decision to host a primetime town hall with Donald Trump already looked like a terrible idea going into Wednesday night, and now it looks like, well, whatever is German for “letting an insurrection-inciting sociopath take a shit in your collective mouth on live TV—and get applause for it.”

    Not surprisingly, things started out with Trump lying about the 2020 election, which he claimed—and would continue to claim throughout the evening—was “rigged.”

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    Asked by moderator Kaitlan Collins if he had any regrets about the events that transpired on January 6, 2021—i.e. when he incited an insurrection that left multiple people dead—Trump called it a “beautiful day,” referred to the Black police officer who shot Ashli Babbitt as a “thug,” falsely claimed Mike Pence could have overturned the election results (and that the VP’s life was never in danger), and tried to pin everything on Nancy Pelosi.

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    Then, he said he would pardon “many” of the people involved in the violent riot.

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  • CNN Town Hall Audience Laughs As Trump Mocks Rape Accuser

    CNN Town Hall Audience Laughs As Trump Mocks Rape Accuser

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    Donald Trump called E. Jean Carroll, the journalist who won a lawsuit against the former president this week for defamation and sexual battery, a “whack job” in his CNN town hall Wednesday.

    Trump bashed Carroll to a friendly audience of undecided New Hampshire voters who laughed and clapped when Trump claimed to have never met his accuser, despite photographic proof to the contrary.

    “I have no idea who the hell [this is],” Trump said. “She’s a whack job.”

    A Manhattan jury on Tuesday unanimously sided with Carroll, who said Trump raped her in a department store dressing room in the 1990s. The jury on Tuesday found Trump liable for sexual abuse, but not rape, and ordered Trump to pay $5 million in damages. Carroll, one of dozens of women who have accused Trump of sexual assault or misconduct, came forward with her story in 2019.

    “I never met this woman. I never saw this woman,” Trump lied to CNN’s Kaitlin Collins. “What kinda woman meets somebody and brings them up, and within minutes you’re playing hanky-panky in a dressing room?”

    After Collins asked Trump if the case might hurt him with voters, Trump said the attention has actually made him more popular. “My poll numbers just went up,” he said, to audience cheers.

    Trump also addressed the “Access Hollywood” tape in which he was recorded bragging about being able to easily sexually assault women because he’s famous.

    “People who are rich and powerful tend to do well in lots of different ways, and you would like me to take that back,” he said. “I can’t take that back. It’s been true for approximately 1 million years. Approximately a million years, perhaps a little longer.”

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  • Texas Republican Deflects To ‘Trashing’ Stores, Need For God After Mall Shooting

    Texas Republican Deflects To ‘Trashing’ Stores, Need For God After Mall Shooting

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    Rep. Keith Self (R-Texas) brushed away criticism that “prayers aren’t cutting it” and shifted the focus to “the trashing of stores in Chicago” during a CNN interview in the wake of a mass shooting that killed at least 8 people at a Dallas-area outlet mall on Saturday.

    Self, whose congressional district includes the site of the deadly shooting in Allen, Texas, told CNN’s Paula Reid that he’s “of course” concerned about the rise of such instances of gun violence before looking to other matters of “violence.”

    “Absolutely, any time there is violence whether it be in one of the big cities: riots, the trashing of stores in Chicago, or shootings like this. This is a very safe area. This is not usual,” Self said.

    “I know that we hear about the number of deaths on a weekend in Chicago, this is not usual in this area.”

    The outlet mall shooting added to the list of nearly 200 mass shootings across the U.S. this year, as of Saturday, according to Gun Violence Archive. There have been 14,600 deaths related to gun violence in America this year, the site noted.

    Reid later asked Self about criticism that “prayers aren’t cutting it” when it comes to addressing gun violence before the Texas Republican took aim at the analysis.

    “Well, those are people that don’t believe in an almighty God who has… who is absolutely in control of our lives,” said Self, who later emphasized a need for more ways to address mental health and remarked that he’d “like to stay away from the politics today” to focus on the shooting victims.

    Reid later chimed in and noted that it’s “difficult” to stay away from politics with Self as he’s a politician

    She added: “Congressman, I believe it is possible to both pray for the victims but also think ahead as a politician, as an elected representative about how you keep your community safe.”

    Self replied that he will do that before shifting the focus back to “the families and the victims, praying for them that they’re comforted in their loss in the tragedy.”

    Twitter users slammed the GOP lawmaker over his interview and asked whether God is now responsible for deaths due to gun violence.

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  • Why CNN Gave Trump a Prime-Time Town Hall—And Why Trump Accepted

    Why CNN Gave Trump a Prime-Time Town Hall—And Why Trump Accepted

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    News that CNN will hold a town hall with former President Donald Trump in New Hampshire next Wednesday came as a surprise on multiple fronts. For one, Trump, who repeatedly dismissed CNN (among several other outlets) as “fake news” throughout his presidency, has not done an interview with the network since his 2016 presidential campaign. Plus, it’s a risky move for CNN, given the challenge of responsibly platforming the twice-impeached, indicted, insurrection-inciting former president. Trump still refuses to accept the results of the election he lost nearly two and a half years ago to Joe Biden, which begs the question: Does CNN plan to fact-check Trump in real time? What happens if Trump repeats the lie that the 2020 election was “rigged,” as he did just last week from the rally stage? I put such questions to CNN political director David Chalian on Tuesday, as the network prepares its program.

    “We obviously can’t control what Donald Trump says—that’s up to him,” said Chalian. “What we can do is prod, ask questions, follow up, and try to get as revealing answers as possible.” Chalian added that it’s “not new for CNN journalists to question Donald Trump” (though he didn’t specify whether this would take the form of a live fact-check). Ultimately, it’s CNN’s view that while Trump is “a unique candidate,” who “since being president has a series of investigations around him”—and “there was how he left the presidency,” Chalian also noted, ostensibly referencing the January 6 insurrection—the network is going to treat him like any other presidential candidate. While “all of that context makes him a unique candidate,” it “does not make our approach any different, in the sense that we hold every candidate who comes to CNN accountable for their words,” Chalian said. He added that CNN has approached every major presidential candidate and potential candidate about participating in CNN’s coverage—the presidential town hall being a part of that.

    Moderators will be coming in with follow-up questions, which Chalian said is part of CNN’s “typical standard” for holding candidates accountable. “But the primary focus of a presidential town hall is to have the candidate interact with the voters, and that’s why we convene these things—because we think it’s so important to the process of voters making their choices,” he said. 

    Trump’s appearance on CNN signals a shift in the former president’s campaign strategy heading into 2024. Per Politico, those in Trump’s orbit “believe that by giving interviews and access to mainstream outlets, they can broaden Trump’s message—and create a contrast with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.” The Trump team has reportedly “been in talks with sit-downs with several other notable outlets, including NBC.” (NBC also got a spot on Trump’s campaign plane recently, though it hasn’t been entirely smooth sailing: I recently reported how Trump tossed NBC reporter Vaughn Hillyard’s phones during a tirade on the plane home from a March rally.) DeSantis, Trump’s biggest rival, who has yet to officially announce a presidential run, has mostly ignored mainstream news organizations, giving access instead to a handful of conservative outlets, from Fox News to fringe publications. 

    “Going outside the traditional Republican ‘comfort zone’ was a key to President Trump’s success in 2016. Some other candidates are too afraid to take this step in their quest to defeat Joe Biden, and are afraid to do anything other than Fox News,” a Trump adviser told Vanity Fair. “CNN executives made a compelling pitch.”

    Chalian would not get into specifics about what that pitch was, but suggested it was no different than the one CNN has made to other candidates. “The heart of the pitch is that this has been a central part of our campaign coverage, and it’s something we take really seriously and that we really do quite well,” he said.

    The town hall will be moderated by Kaitlan Collins and feature questions from New Hampshire Republicans and undeclared voters who plan to vote in the GOP presidential primary. Questions from voters will go through a “thorough vetting process,” Chalian said. “We want to make sure that everything being asked is factually accurate and on a topic that seems widely of interest,” he added, though questions won’t be tweaked. “It’s entirely a question that is written by the questioner and submitted by them.”

    Collins, a fast-rising star at the network, covered the Trump White House and has a reputation as a tough interviewer—one she’s continued to cement in her current role as a cohost on CNN This Morning. But this will be a particularly difficult one to get right; she has to engage with someone who is both a violence-inciting liar and the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination. 

    However it pans out, the prime-time event is sure to bring eyes to CNN at 8 PM. CNN’s viewership has dwindled amid its attempt to reinvent itself following Trump’s presidency and under the new leadership of CEO Chris Licht. Part of that reset has involved turning down the decibel levels from the Jeff Zucker years by moving into what can be perceived as politically neutral territory. 

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  • Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon Are Out but Not Down

    Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon Are Out but Not Down

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    Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon operated on different channels that sometimes seemed like different realities. But each television host became a recurring character on the other man’s show.

    On Fox News, Carlson deliberately mispronounced Lemon’s name for years; sneered at Lemon’s comments about being a Black man in America; and labeled Lemon “a guy who makes millions of dollars a year from presiding over a show that’s failing.” Just about two months ago, Carlson called Lemon “dumb and kinda crazy.”

    On CNN, Lemon accused Carlson of poisoning Fox’s audience with hateful lies. He said Carlson mainstreamed “white supremacist propaganda to your neighbors and your family members.” And he said Carlson did it for the money and power, likening his coverage to a “ratings grift.”

    This cable news crossfire is relevant because, as you well know by now, both men were fired by their respective networks this week. It was a coincidence for the cable ages. When the Carlson news broke at 11:28 a.m. on Monday, the Lemon drop was already in motion. Lemon went public at 12:14 p.m. by tweeting a statement saying that he had just been terminated. So now these adversaries are forever linked. And I can’t help but marvel at how much they have in common right now.

    No, this is not going to be one of those irresponsible false-equivalence pieces that claims Carlson and Lemon were equally polarizing. Fox and CNN are two different species producing two different types of products for two very different audiences. But the similarities between the two situations are stacking up. Carlson and Lemon know it: They have been texting back and forth in the past few days, according to two sources with knowledge of the relationship.

    By “relationship,” I do not mean friendship. Far from it. The two men have never met, and they likely didn’t have much to discuss until recently. They live very different lives: Carlson, with his wife of nearly 32 years, Susan, spends time in rural Maine and on the Gulf Coast of Florida, eschewing the Manhattan and Hamptons social scene that Lemon and his fiancé, Tim Malone, inhabit. The first photos of Carlson after his sacking showed him riding through Boca Grande in a golf cart, while Lemon walked the red carpet at the Time100 Gala.

    But there is an obvious kinship that comes from being shoved from such a lofty perch at precisely the same time on the same day.

    The first commonality between the two cases was the speed: Carlson, age 53, and Lemon, 57, were both notified by phone that their services were no longer needed, and both stories broke almost immediately. Fox management reportedly wanted to issue a joint statement with Carlson, according to one of his friends, but Carlson rejected that. Similarly, CNN management wanted to roll out the Lemon news in coordination with him, perhaps by issuing cordial time-synced statements, but Lemon rebuffed that and announced it on his own. “It is clear that there are some larger issues at play,” Lemon said in his statement, perhaps implying that he was fired for political reasons.

    The next commonality came out within hours. When I caught wind that both men had retained the same lawyer, the LA-based entertainment litigator Bryan Freedman, I called Freedman’s office and reached his assistant, who sounded surprised when I told her what I planned to report. I surmised that both clients were so new, so freshly fired, that word hadn’t gotten around yet. Freedman tends not to talk publicly about his clients, and hasn’t publicly commented about Lemon or Carlson, but he has a similar objective in both cases: to secure money and freedom for his clients.

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  • Why Tucker Carlson’s Exit From Fox News Looks Like an Execution

    Why Tucker Carlson’s Exit From Fox News Looks Like an Execution

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    The last time Tucker Carlson texted me, it was about a Twitter rumor that new management at CNN might toss me overboard. Carlson clearly wanted an excuse to turn a random tweet into national news for his millions of devotees. “Do you have comment?” he asked. “Thanks.” By that point, in April of 2022, I had sworn off any contact with Carlson. I’d had enough of the swearing and trolling. But Monday presented an astonishing reason to reach back out to Carlson. I texted: “Any comment on your departure from Fox?”

    It’s been a few hours, and he has not replied yet. Carlson has chosen silence at one of the most consequential moments in his life: his firing from Fox News. Officially, Carlson and Fox “agreed to part ways.” That’s what the terse press release from Fox said. “We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor.”

    The real “tell” about the terms of Carlson’s departure came in the second and last paragraph, where Fox revealed that “Mr. Carlson’s last program was Friday April 21st.” Carlson is not signing off. To put it more bluntly: He’s not being given a chance to say goodbye. It is technically possible, I suppose, that Carlson turned down a chance to sign off on his own terms. But my 20 years of experience covering cable news suggests otherwise.

    Four months after Carlson texted about the rumor of my departure, CNN CEO Chris Licht told me he was canceling Reliable Sources, the Sunday morning program I had led for nearly nine years. Notice that I didn’t call it “my show”—it’s a crucial distinction. News anchors don’t own their time slots, they rent. Anchors who let their egos delude them into thinking they own their time slots, well, they don’t last very long.

    But Carlson, more than anyone else in cable news, might have been able to credibly call the 8 p.m. hour on Fox News “my show.” I spent oodles of time on Reliable Sources analyzing the rise of Tucker Carlson Tonight as a force in both television and politics. Carlson became, for a couple of years, even bigger than his network. He was said to have a chummy relationship with Fox Corporation CEO Lachlan Murdoch. He was also said to be sharply critical of the women who ran Fox News for Murdoch. Fox staffers believed that Carlson could get away with anything for two main reasons: his friendship with Murdoch and his reliably high ratings.

    But virtually every show gets canceled eventually. Which brings me back to my departure from CNN. Licht showed me grace while ending Reliable Sources: He offered me a final show. One final episode to dissect the media, including CNN, and to say thanks to the viewing public. I could interview whomever I wanted, bring up any topic I wanted, and say whatever I wanted. No one in management read my sign-off monologue in advance. This was the result of mutual respect—and it was mutually beneficial. I had a chance to say my piece, and CNN was credited with being courteous to a departing anchorman.

    Sign-offs mean the world to the hosts who are allowed to give them. I could see it in Sean Spicer’s eyes when he said farewell to his fans on the Fox-wannabe channel Newsmax earlier this month. The former Trump White House press secretary tried to use his sign-off to turn Newsmax viewers into his own subscribers: He read aloud the URL for his personal website and plugged his Twitter handle and YouTube account. “Stay in touch,” he said, either eagerly or desperately, depending on your point of view.

    For a TV host like Spicer, those last few minutes of airtime are close to priceless. (After I signed off on CNN, multiple people told me that I should have plugged a Substack or something, but I was eager to take several months off.) I’m telling you all of this to emphasize that Carlson is not saying goodbye. The takeaway, at least for some TV insiders, is that Carlson was shoved— hard—by Fox management. As Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman reported Monday, Carlson was blindsided by his own cancellation. Not being given a chance to sign off is the television equivalent of an execution.

    “Damn,” a former Fox producer said to me right after it happened. “It had to be O’Reilly-level bad for him to not even get a goodbye show.” You’ll recall that Bill O’Reilly, the longtime renter of the 8 p.m. time slot at Fox, was booted in 2017 in the wake of sexual misconduct allegations and revelations about secret settlements. That’s not why Carlson is out—in fact, a well-placed network source says Carlson was not the subject of any misconduct investigation. Carlson has many, many flaws, but they’re distinct from O’Reilly’s flaws.

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    Longtime CNN anchor Don Lemon has been fired from the cable network, he tweeted on Monday

    “I was informed this morning by my agent that I have been terminated by CNN,” the “CNN This Morning” co-anchor tweeted. “I am stunned. After 17 years at CNN, I would have thought that someone in management would have had the decency to tell me directly.” 

    The network confirmed in a statement that they had “parted ways” with Lemon. “Don will forever be a part of the CNN family, and we thank him for his contributions over the past 17 years. We wish him well and will be cheering him on in his future endeavors,” the network said. 

    But in a follow-up statement, the network disputed Lemon’s account of the events, saying he was “offered an opportunity to meet with management but instead released a statement on Twitter.”

    Lemon’s firing came the same day that Fox News and Tucker Carlson parted ways in a major shakeup for CNN’s rival network. 

    Lemon came under fire earlier this year after he made comments about women being in their “prime” during a segment about 51-year-old Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley. 

    In response to Haley calling for mandatory mental competency tests for politicians over the age of 75, Lemon said that “Nikki Haley isn’t in her prime, sorry.” 

    “When a woman is considered to be in her prime — in her 20s, 30s and maybe her 40s,” he said. 

    “Prime for what?” his CNN co-host Poppy Harlow asked. “Are you talking about prime for like childbearing? Or prime for being president?” 

    Lemon said that a Google search would show that a woman is considered to be in her prime at the ages he mentioned.

    His remarks were widely viewed as sexist and he later apologized, saying they were “inartful and irrelevant.” 

    “A woman’s age doesn’t define her either personally or professionally,” he tweeted in February. “I have countless women in my life who prove that every day.”

    Earlier this month, Variety published a report about Lemon’s alleged hostility and misogynistic behavior toward his female colleagues. According to Variety, CNN allegedly launched an internal investigation in 2008 after threatening text messages were sent to his female co-anchor, but CNN told Variety that “CNN cannot corroborate the alleged events from 15 years ago.” CBS News has not corroborated the allegations.

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  • Don Lemon Announces He’s Been Terminated By CNN: ‘I Am Stunned’

    Don Lemon Announces He’s Been Terminated By CNN: ‘I Am Stunned’

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    Don Lemon has been fired from CNN after 17 years with the network.

    The anchor announced the news on Twitter on Monday morning, telling followers he was “stunned” by his termination.

    “I was informed this morning by my agent that I have been terminated by CNN,” he wrote.

    “After 17 years at CNN I would have thought that someone in management would have had the decency to tell me directly. At no time was I ever given any indication that I would not be able to continue to do the work I have loved at the network.”

    “It is clear that there are some larger issues at play,” he added, before thanking his colleagues and wishing them the best.

    CNN confirmed Lemon’s exit in a statement from CEO Chris Licht, who wrote that “CNN and Don have parted ways.”

    “Don will forever be a part of the CNN family, and we thank him for his contributions over the past 17 years,” he said. “We wish him well and will be cheering him on in his future endeavors.”

    Licht said “CNN This Morning,” which Lemon co-hosted with Poppy Harlow and Kaitlan Collins, would go on without him.

    “[The show] has been on the air for nearly six months, and we are committed to its success,” the CEO said.

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  • Sen. Lindsey Graham Snaps At CNN’s Dana Bash After She Corrects Him On Abortion

    Sen. Lindsey Graham Snaps At CNN’s Dana Bash After She Corrects Him On Abortion

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    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) lost his cool after being corrected by CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” on Sunday.

    The senator seemed unnerved after Bash asked him if abortion should be handled on “the state level,” as Donald Trump’s campaign recently suggested to The Washington Post.

    Instead of answering her question, Graham twisted the topic to third-trimester abortions.

    Graham, who introduced a federal abortion ban after 15 weeks of pregnancy in the Senate in 2022, accused Democrats of having “barbaric” policies as he spewed several distorted claims.

    “What the Democratic Party proposes on abortion is barbaric,” he said. “Abortion up to the moment of birth, taxpayer-funded, I think is barbaric.”

    Sen. Lindsey Graham was corrected on “State of the Union” Sunday after he claimed Democrats are pushing for “abortion up to the moment of birth, taxpayer-funded.”

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    Bash reminded the senator that Roe v. Wade, which was overturned by the Supreme Court last year, had only protected the right to an abortion up to the point of “viability,” which is around 24 weeks.

    Upon being corrected, Graham lashed out at the anchor, shouting, “No, quit covering for these guys,” before repeating his claims about “abortion on demand.”

    “Senator, I’m not covering for anybody, and you know that,” Bash said. “And when I have Democrats on — and I’ve had Democrats on — I have asked many, all of them about their position on where, where they believe this issue should be.”

    The issue of third-trimester abortion is somewhat of a right-wing boogeyman.

    Late-term abortions are exceptionally rare, with recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showing only 1.1% of abortions take place after 21 weeks.

    Trump drew ire from the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America after his camp told The Washington Post that the Supreme Court “got it right” when they ruled abortion “should be decided at the State level.”

    The 2024 Republican contender defended himself during a Sunday speech with the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition, stressing his impact on the Supreme Court.

    There, he told supporters via video, “Those justices delivered a landmark victory for protecting innocent life. Nobody thought it was going to happen.”

    See Graham and Bash’s full exchange below:

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  • Gayle King And Charles Barkley To Host New Live CNN Prime-Time Show

    Gayle King And Charles Barkley To Host New Live CNN Prime-Time Show

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    The TV journalist and NBA Hall of Famer will co-host a weekly live show on the news network on Wednesdays titled “King Charles,” CNN announced on Saturday.

    King and Barkley discussed the new gig during an appearance on “NBA Tip-off,” a TNT show Barkley co-hosts.

    The former NBA player said he wants the show to be “nonpolitical,” although he and King clarified that they would discuss politics, along with other topics, such as pop culture and food.

    “We don’t want to say ‘we’re a liberal, conservative, Republican, Democrat,’ that’s one of the things that’s already ruined television in general,” he said. “I know she’s going to be a straight shooter, you know I’m going to be a straight shooter.”

    Barkley later added, “I know she’s going to be fair and honest, and you know I’m going to do the same thing.”

    King said she wants conversations on the show to have “decorum and courtesy and kindness.”

    She added: “Everybody I know has an opinion about something. I just think we have to figure out a way to have a good conversation without tearing each other down. And I think that we can do that.”

    King will keep her current position as a co-host on “CBS This Morning,” and Barkley will continue his hosting job on TNT, they announced on Saturday.

    “King Charles” is set to debut this fall.

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  • CNN’s Don Lemon To Receive ‘Formal Training’ After Nikki Haley ‘Prime’ Comment

    CNN’s Don Lemon To Receive ‘Formal Training’ After Nikki Haley ‘Prime’ Comment

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    Lemon has not been on the air since Thursday, when during a discussion on “CNN This Morning” about the ages of politicians he said that the 51-year-old Haley was not “in her prime.” A woman, he said, was considered in her prime “in her 20s, 30s and maybe her 40s.”

    Challenged by co-host Poppy Harlow, Lemon added: “Don’t shoot the messenger, I’m just saying what the facts are.”

    “I sat down with Don and had a frank and meaningful conversation,” Licht wrote in a memo. “He has agreed to participate in formal training, as well as continuing to listen and learn. We take this situation very seriously,” CNN Business reported.

    Lemon has since apologized, but he has been widely condemned, including by Licht.

    According to The New York Times, Licht chastised Lemon during an editorial call Friday, saying his remarks were “upsetting, unacceptable and unfair” and a “huge distraction.”

    “When I make a mistake, I own it,” Lemon said. “And I own this one as well.”

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  • Former GOP Official Predicts Fox News’ Coverage Will Have Lasting Consequences

    Former GOP Official Predicts Fox News’ Coverage Will Have Lasting Consequences

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    Former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan (R) offered his two cents on the damage Fox News has done with its “fanning of the flames of all these conspiracy theories” on its network.

    Duncan weighed the consequences of the network’s coverage on the Republican Party – and on viewers – during a “State of the Union” panel on Sunday.

    “What happened on Fox News was hard for the Republican party, right?” Duncan said.

    “It allowed, it might take a decade to unwind some of those, the fanning of the flames of all these conspiracy theories and it was painful to watch and listen to.”

    He added that all media outlets need to find a better balance in managing a for-profit business operation with its mission of sharing the news.

    Karen Finney, a spokesperson for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign, also weighed in on the panel and slammed Fox News for promoting “lies that led to violence” like that seen during the Jan. 6 attack.

    “We are still in a country that is largely divided around whether or not you believe the 2020 election was legitimate,” Finney said.

    “Fox News – ‘news’ – has been part of creating that divisive part of America and it’s shameful, frankly.”

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  • A group of friends attended a vigil in Beijing. Then one by one, they disappeared | CNN

    A group of friends attended a vigil in Beijing. Then one by one, they disappeared | CNN

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    When one by one, the friends of a young woman living in Beijing began disappearing — detained by the police after attending a vigil together weeks earlier — she felt sure that her time was nearing.

    “As I record this video, four of my friends have already been taken away,” the woman, age 26, said, speaking clearly into the camera in a video recording from late December obtained by CNN.

    “I entrusted some friends of mine with making this video public after my disappearance. In other words, when you see this video, I have been taken away by the police for a while.”

    The woman — a recent graduate who is an editor at a publishing house — is among eight people, mainly young, female professionals in the same extended social circle, that CNN has learned have been quietly detained by authorities in the weeks following a peaceful protest in the Chinese capital on November 27.

    That protest was one of many that broke out in major cities across the country in an unprecedented showing of discontent with China’s now-dismantled zero-Covid controls.

    CNN reporter at site of protest against China’s zero-Covid policy

    CNN has confirmed that two of those eight were released on bail Thursday evening and Friday, respectively, just days ahead of the Lunar New Year. One release was confirmed to CNN on Friday by her lawyer, who declined to comment further on whether she had been charged with a crime. The second was confirmed by a source with direct knowledge.

    CNN has not been able to confirm whether others were released and if so, how many.

    Two of the young women detained, including the editor, have been formally charged with “picking quarrels and provoking trouble,” people directly familiar with their cases said Friday — a step that could bring them closer to standing trial, with neither granted bail as of that day.

    The overall number of people detained in connection with the protests within China’s notoriously opaque security and judicial systems also remains uncertain.

    Beijing authorities have made no official comment about the detentions and the city’s Public Security Bureau did not respond to a faxed request for comment from CNN. There has been no public confirmation from the authorities involved that these or any other detentions were made in connection with the protests.

    People hold up blank pieces of paper during a protest against China's zero-Covid measures on November 27, 2022 in Beijing, China.

    CNN followed up on Monday with the district branch that is believed to be responsible for those detained following Beijing’s November 27 protest, but the branch didn’t respond prior to publication.

    What is known about these detentions, carried out quietly in the weeks after November 27, stands as a chilling marker of the lengths to which China’s ruling Communist Party will go to stamp out all forms of dissent and free speech — and the tactics used to counter perceived threats.

    The account that follows has, except where otherwise indicated, been reconstructed from interviews with three separate sources, who each directly know at least one of the people who were detained and are familiar with the circumstances of others within that circle.

    CNN has agreed not to name any sources due to their concerns about retribution from the Chinese state and the sensitivities of speaking to foreign media. CNN is also not naming those detained for similar reasons.

    Late in the evening of November 27, demonstrators gathered along the banks of Beijing’s Liangma River to remember at least 10 people killed in a fire that consumed their locked-down building in the northwestern city Urumqi. Public anger had grown following the emergence of video footage that appeared to show lockdown measures delaying firefighters from accessing the scene and reaching victims.

    Many in the crowd that gathered in the heart of Beijing’s embassy district that night held up blank sheets of white A4-sized paper — a metaphor for the countless critical posts, news articles and outspoken social media accounts that were wiped from the internet by China’s censors. Some decried censorship and called for greater political freedoms, or shouted slogans calling for an end to incessant Covid tests and lockdowns. Others lit their phone flashlights in remembrance of the lives lost in the enforcement of that zero-Covid policy — the lights reflecting on the river flowing below, according to images and reporting by CNN at the time.

    While police lined the streets that evening, the mood was largely calm and peaceful.

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    The editor at the publishing house who joined that night did so “with a heavy heart,” after having heard that others would be mourning the Urumqi fire victims near the river that evening, she said in her video message.

    Carrying flowers and notes of condolence for the victims, the editor met up with her friends. Among them was a former reporter who had studied sociology overseas and was a community volunteer during the lockdown in Shanghai.

    Another friend, a journalist, attended as well as a teacher and a writer — all young women at similar stages of life — university graduates of the past few years, now starting out their careers.

    At least some of those in the circle left before the protests ended that night, grabbing some food before returning home for the evening, unaware that their lives were about to change.

    In the days that followed, their lives began to unravel.

    CNN has previously reported that authorities in Beijing used cellphone data to track down those who demonstrated along the Liangma River and call them in for questioning.

    Members of that group of friends were among those brought in. Police confiscated or searched their phones and electronic devices and subjected at least one to a urine test, according to one of the sources. Some, like the editor, were initially brought in for questioning, and held for around 24 hours, before they were released.

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    For those in the group, an uneasy calm descended in the days following. For the editor, she said she felt that could have been the end of it. They felt that what they had done was innocuous and no different from others in the crowd that night, according to people familiar with the thinking of some of those detained.

    But just over two weeks later, the round-up of these Beijing friends began. Starting from December 18, four women in the group of friends and one of their boyfriends were detained by police over a period of several days. The editor learned of detentions among her friends with a sense of terror, a source said. She decided that if she were going to be taken away too, it would be better from her hometown in central China than a rented flat in Beijing.

    In the video recording, she said she attended the gathering with her friends that night because they had the “right to express their legitimate emotions when fellow citizens die” as people who care about the society they live in.

    “At the scene, we followed the rules, without causing any conflict with the police … Why does this have to cost the lives of ordinary young people? … Why can we be taken away so arbitrarily?” she asked.

    But on December 23, after returning to her hometown, she too was taken into custody, according to two people familiar with her situation. Several days later, her friend, the sociology graduate, was also detained while visiting her hometown in southern China, becoming the seventh person in the circle to be taken in by police.

    After their detentions, another friend began reaching out to their families, who were from different parts of the country and not previously in contact, in the hopes of helping coordinate the young women’s defense, according to a person familiar with the situation.

    Earlier this month, that friend, too, was detained, according to two sources.

    People who know them echoed a sense of confusion over the detentions in interviews with CNN, describing them as young female professionals working in publishing, journalism and education, that were engaged and socially-minded, not dissidents or organizers.

    Police officers stand guard during a protest in Beijing, China, on Sunday, November 27, 2022.

    One of those people suggested that the police may have been suspicious of young, politically aware women. Chinese authorities have a long and well-documented history of targeting feminists, and at least one of the women detained was questioned during her initial interrogation in November about whether she had any involvement in feminist groups or social activism, especially during time spent overseas, a source said.

    All felt the detentions indicated an ever-tightening space for free expression in China.

    “To be honest, I think the logic of arresting them is quite unclear,” said another source who knows them. “Because they are really not particularly experienced (with activism) … judging from this result, I can only say that this is a very ruthless suppression of some of the simplest and most spontaneous calls for justice in society today,” the person said.

    “If they were arrested and imprisoned because they went to participate in this peaceful protest, I feel that maybe any young person who loves literature and yearns for a little bit of so-called ‘free thought’ could be arrested,” said an additional person. “This signal is terrifying.”

    As popular frustration from three years of zero-Covid lockdowns, mass testing and tracking boiled over into demonstrations of a type not seen since the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy movement of 1989, security forces largely refrained from an immediate overt, public crackdown that could have risked condemnation at home and abroad.

    Instead, in the days that followed, security forces were dispatched to the streets en masse to discourage further demonstrations, with police patrolling streets and checking cell phones, while also tracking down participants, warning them not to participate further or bringing some in for questioning, according to CNN reporting at the time.

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    Even by December 7, as the government, amid mounting economic pressure, relaxed the Covid-19 policies that had sparked those protests, signs had already begun emerging of how much the Party viewed those who had gathered on the streets as a threat.

    In what appeared to be the first official acknowledgment of the protests on November 29, China’s domestic security chief, without directly mentioning the demonstrations, called on law enforcement to “resolutely strike hard against infiltration and sabotage activities by hostile forces,” state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

    Not long after, in more pointed comments, China’s envoy in France suggested to reporters — without providing any evidence — that while the demonstrations may have begun due to public frustration with Covid-19 controls, they were swiftly co-opted by anti-China foreign forces, according to a transcript later posted on the embassy’s website.

    In his New Year’s Eve address in late December, Chinese leader Xi Jinping said, it was “only natural for different people to have different concerns or hold different views on the same issue” in a big country, and what mattered was “building consensus” — a comment seen by some observers as striking a conciliatory tone, in contrast to its security crackdown.

    “The ‘A4 revolution’ really, really shocked the Chinese authorities,” said academic lawyer Teng Biao, a globally recognized expert on defending human rights in China, using a popular name for the nationwide protests that alludes to the blank pieces of paper held by protesters. “And the Chinese government really, really wanted to know who was behind the protest.”

    “It’s possible that the Chinese government or the secret police … have some theory that some protesters played an important role,” said Teng, who is currently a visiting professor at the University of Chicago and has himself been detained in China for his human rights and legal work. “They really want to get evidence of which protesters or participants have connections with the United States, with other countries, maybe foreign foundations, and they have used torture (in the past) to get confessions.”

    International human rights groups have repeatedly accused China of extorting confessions from detainees through torture — a practice that is prohibited in China and which officials in the past said had been eliminated.

    The University of Chicago’s Center for East Asian Studies on Wednesday also issued a statement saying they were “aware that people, including a former student of the University of Chicago, have recently been detained in China due to their participation in peaceful protests,” and called for their prompt release.

    Under Chinese criminal law, prosecutors have 37 days to approve a criminal detention or let the detainees go, and if people are not released within that time, they have little chance to be released before trial — and almost all trials end in a guilty verdict, according to Teng.

    One charge, “picking quarrels and provoking trouble” that two of the friends have had formally approved against them, according to people familiar with the cases, carries a maximum sentence of up to five years. A release on bail, meanwhile, though rare, often leads to the dismissal of the case, Teng said.

    The handling of political and human rights cases in China, however, “in practice … is totally arbitrary,” he said, adding that while these cases in Beijing had been brought to light there could be dozens, if not several hundred, similar such detentions in cities across the country that remain unreported — with families afraid to hire lawyers or talk to media.

    The deep uncertainty of what would come next within China’s opaque system was clearly present in the mind of the editor as she recorded her video message in the days before her arrest. Then, she thought of her family, who would be unsure where she had gone — and what they would do in the situation they now find themselves.

    “I guess my mother is now also coming from the south, traveling all the long way to Beijing to ask about my whereabouts,” said the editor, who CNN has confirmed remained in custody as of Friday.

    In her final words in the video message, she made a simple call for help: “Don’t let us disappear from this world without clarity,” she said. “Don’t let us be taken away or convicted arbitrarily.”

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  • CNN Anchor Rips Republican’s Reasoning For Not Calling On George Santos To Resign

    CNN Anchor Rips Republican’s Reasoning For Not Calling On George Santos To Resign

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    People from both parties have called on Santos to resign, but Donalds has stopped short, the CNN anchor noted.

    Blackwell asked Donalds about the resignation calls against Santos from both sides of the aisle, however, Donalds stopped short of asking for the embattled Republican to call it quits.

    “About the growing list of people calling for resignation, no I have not joined that simply because I don’t think that that’s the job of another member of Congress to say or call for,” Donalds said. “I think that’s something between him and his voters. He has to deal with that on an individual basis.”

    Blackwell fired back at the GOP lawmaker before he closed out the interview.

    “Well, I will say that you call for President Biden to resign and 84 million people voted for him,” Blackwell said. “Congressman Byron Donalds, thank you so much.”

    Donalds said that Biden should resign in 2021, following the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan.

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