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ConnectOne Bank Senior Vice President and Chief Brand and Innovation Officer Siya Vansia is focused on aligning the bank’s digital and business strategies.

During the third quarter, the Englewood Cliffs, N.J.-based, $9.7 billion bank invested in its people and technology, Chief Executive Frank Sorrentino said during the bank’s October Q3 earnings call.
In an interview with Bank Automation News, Vansia discussed how ConnectOne approaches innovation, how to prioritize projects and how to determine when to buy and when to build. What follows is an edited version of that conversation:
Bank Automation News: How does ConnectOne Bank prioritize its digital strategy?
Siya Vansia: Our investments in tech and digital are all an effort to support ConnectOne’s core business. We were founded to be a leading commercial bank built around the needs of entrepreneurs and business leaders and solve for the ecosystem of their banking needs. For example, we understand that business owners want a balance of self-serve solutions coupled with a people-first client experience. To that end, some of our investments have been on the client-facing side, and the others on the employee-facing side.
BAN: How does the bank decide on an innovation project to pursue?
SV: My North Star in innovation is that my effort should support the bank’s value proposition. We are a high-performing, growth-oriented commercial bank. My efforts should always be in alignment with that, while also supporting the company’s scale and our world’s evolving trends.
Additionally, there’s a lot of opportunity with legacy technology. I typically try to find opportunities to utilize modern tools to reimagine processes. There’s a lot we unpack before pursuing an opportunity — alignment with the business, business case, efficiency creation and scalability, for example.
BAN: What is the bank’s approach to innovation when balancing third-party vendors and in-house projects?
SV: Two years ago, we were much more dependent on third-party vendors. Today, we’ve brought on incredible tech talent, which presents new opportunities to us. Really, the build-versus-buy conversation comes down to whether there is a company on the market that we could partner with and, if we choose to build, whether we have the subject matter expertise in the business unit. We’ve also taken the hybrid approach, where we‘ve partnered with a vendor to build together.
BAN: What recent tech-forward projects have you been working on?
SV: We’re in the final phases of a deposit origination project with our partner MANTL. This wasn’t just a new system. We are overhauling our deposit onboarding infrastructure and building an omnichannel approach that connects digital and in-branch experience.
We’ve also been members of the USDF Consortium, where we work alongside about a dozen other banks to explore opportunities to bring blockchain technology into the regulatory perimeter.
BAN: How would you describe your leadership style?
SV: I like to take a collaborative, open and communicative approach to leadership. Much of the work we are trying to do is fairly new, and I believe strongly that bringing different perspectives to the table is key to success. I also believe that change is iterative, so I try to move quickly to meet incremental goals so that we can continuously improve as we go. I am personally not a fan of overengineered processes or project plans, but rather playbooks that give teams flexibility.
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Grasshopper Bank is looking to expand its support of the innovation economy with the launch of a new operating account intended for venture-backed startups.
Accelerator Checking, launched today, is “really focused on the small business or venture startups’ needs of a really useful product for managing their day-to-day cash flow,” Grasshopper Bank Chief Digital Officer Chris Tremont told Bank Automation News on “The Buzz” podcast.
Accelerator Checking can be opened in less than 10 minutes, offers free domestic ACH and wire transfers, bill-pay and check-deposit services, and digital invoicing tools, according to a Grasshopper release.
The $700 million bank will continue to build out the operating account to include access to venture debt, corporate credit cards and startup insurance, Tremont said.
In addition to the digital banking product, the bank is offering startups access to its network of venture capitalists, he said. “We have a lot of connections in the VC community that are always looking to meet new startups from an investment standpoint, so we’re going to start to cultivate our network and make referrals.”
Since the banking crisis earlier this year, New York City-based Grasshopper has shifted its priorities to recognize that “every startup needs a good depository solution and a place for managing their money and their payment infrastructure,” Tremont said.
The bank was originally founded “to be working in the venture community and to be working with startups, so it’s not a brand-new segment for us,” he said. However, “the narrative has changed over the last six months since the banking crisis happened.”
Over the last 12 months, the bank has rebuilt its technology infrastructure to better support this [startup] client base, he said.
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Chris Tremont 1:32
Sure, we’re really excited about this. And I think as as maybe a segue talk a little bit about where we’ve come over the last couple of years. So grasshopper itself was founded in 2019. So still young, by Banking Terms, only about four years old. A number of new folks joined the company about two years ago. And we kept the mission intact. And the mission of the company is to serve the was the business and innovation economy. And the way that started with me was really working with venture capital firms, private equity firms and the companies that they invest in. And so we’ve kept that mission intact. But we’ve kind of broaden the vision of who we’re serving. So we’re still working with that line of business with within the venture fund world. But we’ve layered in a couple of other areas that includes some new lending products like working in the SBA and commercial real estate space, as well as on the deposit gathering side working with fintechs through banking as a service, and a little bit more directly with small and medium sized businesses. So SMBs. And so we’ve spent really like the last 18 months or so layering in those new components. And as you can imagine, part of that was building out a new team, as well as new technology, infrastructure. And so where we started on the deposit gathering side was really working with within the small business community, and launching a digital checking account product for them. We’ve seen a lot of good success over the last 14 or 15 months since that’s been launched. And now today, we’re really excited for sort of the next iteration or the next segment that we’re going deeper into serving, leveraging our digital technology. And that’s working more with venture backed startups. And so the product itself, we’re calling the accelerator checking, but from a macro view, it’s much broader than that than just an operating account. But starting there, it’s really focused on the small business or the venture startups needs of a really useful product for managing their day to day cash flow, money in money out. So it starts with the product on the deposit side and making it really useful for the startup to manage their day to day business. I think taking another step back, what we did was we said, We got to make it really easy to get the account open. So you can apply for the account digitally from any device and get an account approved and funded and under 10 minutes. So we think that’s a really nice feature of the product. The product itself, like I mentioned, has a lot of useful features and integrations from a money movement standpoint, as you would imagine, wires and ACH things like that source and table stakes products. But then we also have integrations with companies like auto books for digital payables and receivables, which we think is a really powerful tool. We work with a company called MX to allow for some better budgeting and cash flow management tools. So just to give a flavor of Like what’s inside that digital banking product, coupled with this kind of what we call a marketplace or an ecosystem. So what we believe is grasshopper is really great at providing a solid digital banking experience and a really good operating and payment accounts. But there’s more to startups financial needs than just that. And so we’ve layered in some best of breed called financial technology players to help surround our offering and make it stronger. And so some of the things that we’ll roll out over time starting this week, include access to things like venture debt, corporate credit cards, we have a partnership with ramp doing that startup insurance is important. So that’s going to be in there. And then just through our work with with our various teams in the venture in the FinTech space, we have a lot of connections into the VC community that are always looking to meet new startups from an investment standpoint. So we’re going to start to kind of cultivate our network and make referrals on either end right with the startup that might be looking for funding. We’re going to make those intros to some friends of ours on on the VC side,
Whitney McDonald 6:22
setting up getting into that network and gaining those deposits. Can you maybe talk through the gap that you’re able to fill here? Of course, we know that everything happened in the spring, and startups are looking to kind of change where they’re where they’re banking?
Chris Tremont 6:40
Yeah, it certainly has been an interesting, six or seven months, I suppose in in the banking industry, for sure. And so for us, the timing is is unique in that it’s twofold. One is, yes, we’ve seen some of the financial services providers that have worked with the startup community for many years, some of them are now gone, right, or they’ve been absorbed into larger organizations. And we’ll see where, where that strategy goes for those companies down the road. So there is a bit of a gap. Certainly that’s opened up for, for the startup community. At the same time, I would say as to a previous comment, grasshopper was was founded this way to be working in the venture community and to be working with startups. So it’s not a brand new segment for us. I would say, though, that maybe the narrative has changed over the last six months since the banking crisis happened, where maybe the way we went at it, at the beginning was, it was more about leading with the loan, or the the lending or the debt solution. And venture debt can be hard. Like we’ve, we’ve learned that we knew it, but like we’ve seen seeing this play out over the last few months and, and so not every bank is able to do it. And there just aren’t that many places for a startup to go to find it. And so that’s kind of maybe where we started. And now the narrative has changed a little bit more around every startup needs a good depository solution and a place for managing their money and their their payment infrastructure and things like that. And so I think like the macro level, you know, the industry changes have caused a gap. And at the same time internally for us, we’ve kind of repositioned our offering to be leading with the Depository relationship versus the loan, and have taken the time over the last 12 plus months to rebuild our technology infrastructure to better support this client base. And so that’s why we’re coming out now. To say we’re sort of, you know, with a new product, and serving this market, though, it’s not brand new to us, but there’s certainly a need for it and an opportunity, and something that we’ve been working on for many months, kind of behind the scenes anyways. And so it’s coming together, we believe at a nice time to be serving this market.
Whitney McDonald 9:13
Now, as you’ve kind of shifted that approach to gaining deposits and worked through this project, is this something that you something you guys have built in house or partnered on building the technology itself? Or is this something that was all a grasshopper initiative?
Chris Tremont 9:30
Yeah, we’re inside the company. We’re huge believers. If you think about a lot of times companies look at the buy build or partnership models, and we are strong believers in the partnership model. And so helping to build out our technology infrastructure, we consider a lot of the financial technology firms that we work with as partners of ours. And so we have a really, a really smart Are and dedicated and innovative product and data and engineering team inside the company that are kind of leading the strategy and helping to execute the vision. And then we partnered with some best of breed partners or companies out there to make this happen. And so to elaborate on that a little bit, like I mentioned earlier, we can open a startup depository account in 10 Minutes or Less without any paper, fully digital, well to be able to do that it takes our team, but we also partner with a company called mantle for the account opening. Behind the scenes, we work with a company called alloy for the decisioning on the consumer and the business itself and some other players that funnel into the aloe ecosystem to help make that approval decision. Once the accounts opened, we use a company called Narumi. For the online and mobile banking, user interface, they helped power that. And so that’s just a few examples of sort of this partnership model that we’ve used to build the technology to provide a really great digital banking experience for startups.
Whitney McDonald 11:16
Great. Yeah, I mean, a lot of those names that you just mentioned are something that that we’ve definitely covered in the past, ramp and mantle standout for sure. As you kind of launched this accelerator checking, you talk through kind of taking this different approach and to gaining deposits, kind of from a broader, bigger picture point of view, maybe we could just talk through the importance of financial institutions, gaining new deposits, looking for those new avenues to gain deposits and gain strength, getting those sticky deposits, maybe we could just talk through the importance of that that our audience can take away?
Chris Tremont 11:55
Yeah, that’s a great question. And a great, maybe issue or topic that was highlighted back in March as as we went through some of those issues. I think one topic it highlights is the importance of diversification. And in sort of how you’re building out your balance sheet, whether it’s loans, we’re talking about deposits today, so we can focus on that. But being diverse in or not single threaded or monoline in terms of who you serve, I believe is important. You know, every bank has a different strategy. But having some diversification there is something we as a company have always believed strongly in. So I think serving a wider audience is, is important. The second is you think about how rates have changed over the last 12 to 18 months. And certainly we could talk about maybe where we think they’re going over the next 1218 months as well, but
Speaker 2 12:59
at a much more elevated level now in September of 23, than where we were in February of 22. And I said this to folks along the way is, you know, for a while it was like deposit gathering wasn’t always this easy, you know, we had this time period where rates were low and deposits were flowing into banks, and they were sticking around and and we knew it wasn’t going to be that way all the time. And so I think outside of the diversification of the client base, having a strategy that’s probably a little bit less reliant on rate, though rate is important and is a larger part of the conversation, but really driven by relationship. And I That’s easy to say. But what I mean by that is sort of the you know, when you get into serving different clients segments, and what they’re looking for, some are less, you know, rate dependent, or rate demanding, and will move less, you know, when when rates change, or they’re chasing, chasing rate. And so I do think having a strategy, that is where you step back and say I’m gonna skate to where the puck is going in terms of serving growing client bases. In our case, we’ve said how do they want to interact with us? And we’ve said, digitally is the place we want to be. So like, how are you acquiring these customers? The products that you’re putting out there where rate is a component, but more about the relationship and helping in our case, let’s say it’s a business owner or a startup founder, really managing their cash and thinking through how am I getting paid? How am I paying my vendors? Do I have a banker I can call if I need to? Only if I need to, let’s say you know the self service model here
Chris Tremont 14:59
and Some other connections to within the industry, whether it be those VC referrals or access to other products, I think the point would be is providing more value than just talking about an interest rate is really important.
Whitney McDonald 15:16
On that know, kind of some self service options, how it works and what it presents? Could you maybe walk me through how a client or a startup would actually leverage accelerator checking?
Speaker 2 15:30
Sure. I mean, I think it starts with if you’re thinking about making a move, the ease of getting started with us, is unparalleled in the industry to say that you could open an account and be funded in less than 10 minutes, you know, I think is is fairly industry leading, we’re not the only ones that can do it, but like to get up and running fast. And to not have to walk into a bank branch with a lot of paperwork and spend the afternoon trying to get your account open, whether it’s a day or weeks, I don’t know. So I think getting up and running is important. And then from there, some of the tools that we’ve set up, like I mentioned, the ability to
Chris Tremont 16:15
set up invoices to get send out invoices to get paid, or using our bill payment services, like wire transfers, ACH bill pay, to pay vendors to pay employees, if you’ve got payroll, I mean, you could be up and running doing that in the first day with us. We are layering in some other technology to think about the financing side of things and the debt side of things through some partners as well. So if you’re actively seeking venture debt, or maybe you’re a company, a startup in the E commerce space, we’ve got some partnerships in the works, that will help maybe with some financing of receivables to improve cash flow in the short term.
Speaker 2 17:03
So there’s a couple of the ways connections into like we mentioned ramp, if you’re looking for a corporate credit card, the connection can be made there quite seamlessly. And actually the ramp transactions up here in the grasshopper experience. So it’s kind of this holistic approach. So I think like, broadly speaking, is like you can be up and running quickly. And you can leverage tools that
Chris Tremont 17:29
help you operate your business out of the gate right away.
Whitney McDonald 17:34
Now I know that you kind of gave a little bit of insight into something that you guys are working on. Anything else grasshopper has in the pipeline right now, either related to accelerator checking, or is this tool going to be something that you monitor and update often just kind of wondering for a little look ahead as to what grasshopper is working on?
Chris Tremont 17:54
Yeah, that’s a great question. And so we’re really excited to be focused here on this segment of working with with startups. And we’re going to continue to go deeper with the accelerator checking product, and the marketplace offerings that we have. So we hope to expand that out into services that startups need. This could be, you know, tax prep and accounting, things like that. So we’re gonna continue to improve on that experience. But I’d say more broadly, is, we’re a company that serves the business and innovation economy. So startups are one segment of it. Small and medium sized businesses are another large segment that we love, and we’ve been serving for a while. And there might be a couple other niches that we layer in down the road. But thinking about those two, and probably a third would be financial technology, or FinTech companies are three of the areas that we’re working on closely and continue to develop for. So I would call out. One is we’re working on our lending solutions in the small and medium sized business space. So that can be on and off balance sheet opportunities. So some referral opportunities or small medium sized businesses looking for a lending solution for us. We’re working on digitizing that process, more to come there probably in the next couple of months. And then we continue to be a big proponent of the FinTech banking as a service, embedded finance space. And so we’ve been a player in that for the last 12 or 18 months. We continue to work with our partner, Treasury prime and San Francisco to bring on quality fintechs that are looking to use our API’s and some really creative and innovative ways in the depository and payment space. So we’re going deeper, they’re getting pushed probably more around on real time payments and fed now, functionality, as you would imagine, in the FinTech world, so I think like that’s going to be our focus in that for that group over the next six to 12 months as well.
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TORONTO — Bank of America announced the addition of AI capabilities to its CashPro Chat function at Sibos 2023 Monday, bringing an enhanced user experience to its corporate and commercial clients. The $3.2 trillion bank’s CashPro Chat now uses the same proprietary technology as the bank’s AI-driven consumer-facing bot Erica, Tom Durkin, global head of […]
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When considering credit underwriting for small- and medium-sized businesses, satellite heat mapping and detailed traffic patterns may not be the first data points that come to mind.
Yet these are precisely the sources of information Toronto-based startup Uplinq draws on to help extend credit to SMBs not served by traditional scoring models, co-founder Ron Benegbi tells Bank Automation News during today’s edition of the Global Startup Cities Podcast from “The Buzz.”
Uplinq, founded in 2021, allows [lenders] to evaluate the entire ecosystem of the business itself, and look at all that information in context,” Benegbi said, explaining that the company uses environmental, community and market information data in conjunction with a borrower’s credit score and financials.
The Canadian fintech has already partnered with some of the world’s largest financial institutions, including JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup, according to its website, and is active in Latin America and Africa and planning an expansion in Asia soon, Benegbi said.
Listen as Benegbi discusses how his experience as an immigrant in Toronto inspired his business, what alternative data can do for SMBs and the collaborative ethos shared by Canadian founders.
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Victor Swezey 8:05
absolutely. I really appreciate that. And, you know, you really piqued my interest with some with the traffic data and the NASA Data. Can you tell me a little bit more specific use case for how that might be relevant in?
Ron Benegbi 8:19
Yeah, I mean, if you if you Well, if you look at traffic data, so let’s say you’re a restaurant. Well, that’s really, really important. If we can get information about traffic flow and patterns in your specific neighborhood. That’s a really important piece of information to determine what, you know, potential future performance could look like beyond just again, traditional financials and Bureau scores. If you look at like things like I use satellite imagery, people love that. So I’ll give you a use case. So let’s say you’re a manufacturer, and you’re applying for a loan with a bank. And you’re telling the bank, listen, we run seven days a week, we’re running night shifts, because this is where we’re manufacturing this widget, whatever the widget is, well, if we have access to satellite imagery, that can then capture sort of heat patterns and heat signals over your location. And we noticed that on the weekend, it’s like there’s nothing there. But during the week, at during these hours, we’re getting different types of readings. Well, we know that they’re fibbing or they’re stretching the truth a little bit. So those are the kinds of things that the system can look at and intelligently and this is where, you know, leveraging different AI techniques helps us develop models that ultimately attenuate directly to the lender, but also specifically to the applicant itself. And that’s something that is a true point of differentiation for us against others.
Victor Swezey 9:58
And tell me about Some of the banks that you that you partner with who are some of the lenders that you use your data to advise,
Ron Benegbi 10:06
right now where we are with our business is we are in heavy proof of concept mode, with a number of banks all over the world. And we typically take that approach first, because it’s a pretty big deal when you’re going to a lender, and even though we’re not making the decision for them, you’re talking about potentially transforming their loan book, in which case, you’ve got risk, you’ve got compliance, you’ve got it security, you’ve got the business itself, all have to kind of look at this. So you know, the, the proof of concept or POC approach, like try before you buy, has resonated very well. So right now we’re working with two of the large to the top five banks in Canada, we’re working with to top 20 small business lenders in the US, we’re working with one in Mexico, we’re working with a couple in Africa, and I’m hoping to be able to share that, you know, by as early as you know, next month, we can add Hong Kong and India to that list as well. So, you know, it’s it’s, it’s a global approach in terms of we can help anyone who’s lending the small business, and anyone who wants to make some type of meaningful impact on their loan book,
Victor Swezey 11:30
in the spirit of comparing Canada and the US. Maybe if we could zoom out a little bit and compare the startup cultures in Toronto to to, you know, some of the other startup hubs around the world, maybe take Silicon Valley in the US and London? What makes Toronto unique?
Ron Benegbi 11:49
Yeah, well, you know, it’s hard for me to answer that just because I’m, I don’t know what the startup culture in Silicon Valley is like, or it isn’t Israel, or it is in London, but, you know, as far as Toronto goes, you know, I can I can talk to that it’s, it’s certainly what I feel, is a tight knit community where anyone kind of in this community is open to helping one another, there’s sort of a pay it forward mentality here that I’d like to think exists within Toronto. Yeah, I mean, the community itself has grown substantially over the years, especially in FinTech and especially with the organizations that support technology here, in Toronto. So I would tell you that, you know, you can, if you want to, you could probably attend some sort of tech event, whether virtually or in person, just about every night of the week, here in Toronto, there’s always something going on, and being a pretty large Metropolis onto its own, you’ve got some, you’ve got some great entrepreneurs in here. And, and, and a big reason for that is because, you know, Toronto has always been known as fairly diverse, and multicultural, and you have a lot of different ethnicities and immigrants like myself, and my family, who have come at one point from a different country. And you know, many of them have decided to, you know, go into the startup world. So it’s great, because we get to meet different different people from different cultures, different perspectives, and they certainly bring that added element to the entrepreneurial world. And I can tell you, it’s exciting. Like I’ve, I’ve made a lot of friends just being in the community. Not necessarily by working with these companies, but just like I said, bumping into them in advance, whether it be in person, or you know, you’re at as sort of a zoom seminar and you see them in you know, people start talking and then you, you reach out. So overall, I would tell you that look, it’s a it’s a great place to be. It’s a big city, but it feels like it in many ways it feels like a small town and that that’s how I would describe Toronto in my in my from my view.
Victor Swezey 14:20
Can you tell us a little bit about maybe how Toronto became the startup hub that it is now?
Ron Benegbi 14:26
Yeah, I mean, I would tell you that I think Toronto really started to take shape as a tech hub in the kind of early to mid 2000s. I will tell you that. A big a big jumping stone is an organization called Mars. And no, it’s not the planet and it’s not the chocolate bar company. Mars is an innovation ecosystem. I like to think of it as almost as a platform to which it It has four different tracks, like different types of startups, like clean tech, digital health, enterprise software, and fintech. And it supports these ventures through different programs that originally were government funded both federally and provincially. But over time, as you know, government funded funding naturally declined or has gotten more difficult to obtain corporate sponsorship really stepped in. So I think Mars has played a critical role in the in the ecosystem, and has grown has helped grow and develop that ecosystem over time. There are other organizations that have also played a big role. The one, the one that really resonates with me is an organization called Tech to start by an individual named Alex Norman, probably sort of Mr. Tech Canada, if I would describe Alex but it started off as a kind of a small community gathering, trying to help a few startups and all of a sudden tech to has grown into Montreal, you know, Montreal tech, and Vancouver tech. And really, it’s a, it’s a community for all startups in Canada, it’s a it’s a Canadian community, and they host a bunch of different events, both in person and online. Newsletters go out a couple times a week, you know, a lot of a lot of a lot of information has garnered from them. And then accordingly, you know, there’s a lot of, there’s some really good media focus specifically in Toronto, probably the most prominent one is organization called beta kit, which everyone kind of defers to as the sort of the go to go to source for information on all things tech in Canada. And then there are a few technology writers as well that are very well known. So, you know, over time, it has really, really grown. And as more venture capital dollars, started to enter the ecosystem, both from Canadian firms as well as US firms. And I can tell you, there are a lot of US firms who invest in Canadian companies and Toronto based companies. And I’m proud to say that most of our investors that are actually American, really helped the community grow and flourish and become what I believe is a top 20 tech community globally, as ranked by different startup reports out there. So I hope that answers your questions. I’m sure there are a lot of other great communities out there as well.
Victor Swezey 17:56
Definitely, definitely. And that’s really exciting to see. And, you know, looking forward, I guess, with with, with all that momentum, what are some fintechs that you think we should be watching coming out of Toronto?
Ron Benegbi 18:08
Yeah, I mean, there’s a lot of I think there’s just a lot of great companies, there’s, there’s one that you know, pops into my head, called lat Li, they’re, they’re sort of a hybrid FinTech kind of Prop tech. But they’re doing some really exciting things with respect to real estate, and trying to help you, you as a potential homeowner, get access to your first home. And I think that is a really, really big problem. It’s certainly a huge problem in Toronto. And I can tell you, as a father of like, she’s not a millennial, she’s a Gen Zed. It’s just really, really hard to like, buy your first home. And, and I’m pretty sure that other markets here in Canada, they’re experiencing the same thing. So they’re doing some really exciting and creative things around how they use financing to help these individuals get access to real estate that they can own. There’s also a really interesting company, sort of in the FinTech InsurTech space called walnut, which is doing some really cool things around embedded insurance and insurance again, is another problematic area where you know, rates are kind of like rates and access to fair and market market value policies are, are tough to get especially for startups and especially for fintechs. So, you know, so that companies wall not so those are the two that kind of dropped off by head but certainly there’s there’s quite a few and, you know, we’re all kind of trying to take it one day at a time. I’m in grind it out. So, you know, hopefully many, many will succeed.
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