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  • Bette Midler Has Seen a ‘Hocus Pocus 3’ Script: “Very Excited” 

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    Bette Midler is offering a brief update on Hocus Pocus 3

    The original movie set around the witchy Sanderson sisters debuted in 1993, with the long-awaited sequel arriving to Disney+ in 2022. Following the success of Hocus Pocus 2, Sean Bailey, president of Walt Disney Studios Motion Picture Production, confirmed a third film was in the works in June 2023. 

    Fast forward over two years since Bailey’s announcement, Bette Midler, who plays one of the three Sanderson sisters, told Andy Cohen on Watch What Happens Live that she has seen a script for Hocus Pocus 3

    “Well, you know, they sent a script, and a lot of it was brilliant,” she said when asked if there will be a third film. “So I got very excited.”

    Midler added, “And now we’re trying to figure out what it is and where it’s going to be and how much it’s going to cost and all those logistical things.”

    Hocus Pocus 2 was quite the hit for Disney+, and notably set a record at the time for an opening weekend by a movie on a streamer (with 2.7 billion minutes viewed). Overall, the film also landed as the No. 6 most-streamed movie of 2022, with 5.7 billion minutes viewed.

    The First Wives Club star led the first two movies alongside Sarah Jessica Parker and Kathy Najimy. Kenny Ortega directed the original film, while Anne Fletcher helmed Hocus Pocus 2

    Fletcher is set to return for Hocus Pocus 3 alongside Jen D’Angelo, who wrote the 2022 sequel, THR previously reported.

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  • Hollywood stars pay tribute to Diane Keaton after legendary actress and comedian dies at 79

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    Goldie Hawn, Steve Martin and Jane Fonda were among the many stars who honored Diane Keaton after the legendary actress died at the age of 79. 

    On Saturday, Keaton’s death was reported by People magazine, with the outlet noting that her family had requested privacy. 

    After news broke of Keaton’s passing, there was an outpouring of tributes to the Hollywood legend from her former co-stars and other celebrities.

    Celebrity tributes pour in for Diane Keaton after the actress’s death at 79.  (Photo by Gilbert Flores/WWD via Getty Images)

    Hawn, who co-starred with Keaton and Bette Midler in the 1996 hit ensemble comedy “The First Wives Club,” shared an emotional post on Instagram. 

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    “Diane, we aren’t ready to lose you. You’ve left us with a trail of fairy dust, filled with particles of light and memories beyond imagination,” Hawn wrote alongside a photo of Keaton. 

    She continued: “How do we say goodbye? What words can come to mind when your heart is broken? You never liked praise, so humble, but now you can’t tell me to ‘shut up’ honey. There was, and will be, no one like you. You stole the hearts of the world and shared your genius with millions, making films that made us laugh and cry in ways only you could.”

    Bette Midler, Goldie Hawn And Diane Keaton in a scene from "The First Wives Club"

    Bette Midler, Goldie Hawn and Keaton starred in 1996’s “The First Wives Club.” (Getty Images)

    “I was blessed to make ‘First Wives Club’ with you, our days starting with coffee in the makeup trailer, laughing and joking, right through to the very last day of filming,” Hawn added. “It was a roller coaster of love.

    “We agreed to grow old together, and one day, maybe live together with all our girlfriends,” Hawn wrote. “Well, we never got to live together, but we did grow older together. Who knows… maybe in the next life.

    “Shine your fairy dust up there, girlfriend. I’m going to miss the hell out of you. My heart goes out to your beautiful children, Dex and Duke,” the Academy Award winner concluded. 

    Diane Keaton, Goldie Hawn and Bette Midler in a shoot for "First Wives Club"

    Hawn and Midler paid tribute to the actress after her death.  (Getty Images)

    Midler also paid tribute to Keaton, posting a black-and-white image of the actress on her Instagram page along with a heartfelt caption. 

    “The brilliant, beautiful, extraordinary Diane Keaton has died,” she wrote. “I cannot tell you how unbearably sad this makes me.

    “She was hilarious, a complete original, and completely without guile, or any of the competitiveness one would have expected from such a star,” Midler added. “What you saw was who she was…oh, la, lala!”

    Diane Keaton, Mary Steenburgen, Candice Bergen and Jane Fonda at the premiere of Book Club

    Keaton starred alongside Mary Steenburgen, Jane Fonda, Candice Bergen in “Book Club” and “Book Club: The Next Chapter.”  (Leon Bennett/Getty Images)

    Fonda, Candice Bergen, Mary Steenburgen and Don Johnson, who co-starred with Keaton in 2018’s “Book Club” and its 2023 sequel “Book Club: The Next Chapter,” also shared tributes.

    “It’s hard to believe…or accept…that Diane has passed,” she wrote in the caption of a photo featuring Keaton. 

    “She was always a spark of life and light, constantly giggling at her own foibles, being limitlessly creative…in her acting, her wardrobe, her books, her friends, her homes, her library, her world view,” Fonda continued. “Unique is what she was. And, though she didn’t know it or wouldn’t admit it, man she was a fine actress!”

    “Diane was magic,” Steenburgen wrote in a statement to Fox News Digital. “There was no one, nor will there ever be, anyone like her. I loved her and felt blessed to be her friend. My love to her family. What a wonder she was!!!”

    Bergen also shared a statement with Fox News Digital, writing, “This is a huge loss both personally and for all of us. Diane was a true artist – tremendously gifted and uniquely talented in so many disciplines yet also modest and wonderfully eccentric. I will miss her terribly.”

    “Diane Keaton … what a trip!” Johnson told Fox News Digital in a statement. “She was one of those unique actresses that once she’d realized a character you just couldn’t  imagine anyone else’s interpretation.  I loved her .. I’ll miss her.”

    Diane Keaton and Steve Martin are pictured smiling in 2001.

    Steve Martin posted a humorous remembrance to Keaton.  (Lucy Nicholson/AFP via Getty Images)

    Martin, who played Keaton’s on-screen husband in the hit 1991 comedy “Father of the Bride” and its 1995 sequel “Father of the Bride II,” which also starred Martin Short, shared a humorous remembrance of the actress as he posted a screenshot of quotes from a joint interview with his co-stars.

    “Who’s sexier? Me or Steve Martin?” Short asked in the article, published by Interview magazine in 2021. 

    “I mean, you’re both idiots,” Keaton replied.

    “Don’t know who first posted this, but it sums up our delightful relationship with Diane,” Martin wrote in the caption.

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    Kimberly Williams-Paisley, who portrayed Annie Banks, the daughter of Martin’s George Banks and Keaton’s Nina Banks in the “Father of the Bride” movies, commented on the “Only Murders in the Building” star’s post, writing, “I can absolutely hear her saying that,” adding a crying laughing smiley face emoji. 

    Williams-Paisley also shared her own Instagram tribute to Keaton, posting photos of herself with her on-screen mother. 

    “Diane, working with you will always be one of the highlights of my life,” Williams-Paisley wrote in the caption. “You are one of a kind, and it was thrilling to be in your orbit for a time. Thank you for your kindness, your generosity, your talent, and above all, your laughter.” 

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    Keaton, Martin and Kimberly Williams-Paisley co-starred in “Father Of The Bride” and its sequel.  (Touchstone/Getty Images)

    Mandy Moore, who played the daughter of Keaton’s character in the hit 2007 romantic comedy “Because I Said So,” honored the actress as she remembered their time working together on the film.

    “They say don’t meet your heroes, but I got to work with one of mine and even call her ‘mom’ for a few months,” Moore recalled in the caption of an Instagram post featuring photos of the two in the movie.

    “An honor of a lifetime,” she continued. “What an incandescent human Di is and was. I am so sad she’s gone for all the reasons but also because it felt like she’d be here forever, dazzling us with her talent and charm (and her style, c’mon)!!! One of the very best to ever do it. All my love to her children and loved ones.”

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    Moore and Diane Keaton starred in “Because I Said So.” ( L. Cohen/WireImage)

    Hawn’s daughter, Kate Hudson, uploaded a clip from “The First Wives Club,” writing, “We love you so much Diane.”

    Lily Tomlin posted a photo of Keaton along with the caption: “Rest peacefully, the magnificent Diane Keaton.”

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    In an Instagram post, Melissa Joan Hart shared her shock at Keaton’s passing and heaped praise on the late actress. 

    “There are some people you think will live forever and it took my breathe away to hear about Diane Keaton passing away today!” she wrote. “Her body of work, her class, her style, her ability to be wildly talented and keep her private life out of tabloids is to be respected and studied for generations.” 

    “Thanks for the laughs and tears! she continued. “From #BabyBoom to #SomethingsGottaGive, I’ve enjoyed every movie I’ve seen with her but I have to admit I’ve never seen #AnnieHall. I know what I’m doing this weekend now! #GodBlesstheFunnyPeople.”

    Scene from movie "Annie Hall"

    Keaton won an Oscar for her performance in “Annie Hall.” (LMPC via Getty Images)

    In 1977, Keaton won an Academy Award for her performance as the titular character in “Annie Hall” and she was nominated for the award three additional times. 

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    The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences paid tribute to Keaton in an Instagram post, sharing a clip featuring an emotional scene between the late actress and her on-screen son Dermott Mulroney in their 2005 movie “The Family Stone.”

    “Some actors play emotions. Diane Keaton lived inside them,” the organization wrote. “Diane Keaton embodied the contradictions of being human: funny and fragile, bright and bruised, always achingly honest. For decades, she filled every frame with warmth, wit, and wonder. A Best Actress Oscar winner and four-time nominee, her presence shaped generations of storytelling. Her spirit will live forever on screen, and in the hearts of all who saw themselves in her.”

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    The Academy and PETA also paid tribute to Keaton.  (Amy Sussman/Getty Images)

    Lisa Lange, the senior vice president of PETA, honored Keaton for her advocacy on behalf of animals. 

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    “Diane Keaton’s impact as a brilliant and talented actor is undeniable, but PETA will always remember her as a true friend to animals,” Lange said in a statement to Fox News Digital. 

    She continued, “At every turn, she used her platform to champion animals, from advocating kindness toward animals often overlooked, such as pigeons, to taking on abusive cub-petting operations by endorsing the Big Cat Public Safety Act, to ditching meat and reminding everyone that ‘it’s nuts’ to eat animals. Diane’s heart was evident in everything she did, and she will be greatly missed by all of us at PETA.”

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  • Jane Fonda Remembers the ‘Limitlessly Creative’ Diane Keaton

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    Diane Keaton, Jane Fonda, Candice Bergen, and Mary Steenburgen in Book Club 2: The Next Chapter.
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    Shortly after the news of Diane Keaton’s death broke, tributes from across Hollywood came pouring in, including from her former co-stars. Jane Fonda, Keaton’s Book Club co-star, shared a statement with Vulture. Fonda wrote, “It’s hard to believe…or accept…that Diane has passed. She was always a spark of life and light, constantly giggling at her own foibles, being limitlessly creative…in her acting, her wardrobe, her books, her friends, her homes, her library. Unique is what she was. And, though she didn’t know it or wouldn’t admit it, man she was a fine actress!” Bette Midler, who starred alongside Keaton in The First Wives Club, shared a photo of Keaton on Instagram, remembering her “brilliant, beautiful, extraordinary” friend. “I cannot tell you how unbearably sad this makes me. She was hilarious, a complete original, and completely without guile, or any of the competitiveness one would have expected from such a star,” Midler wrote on October 11. Director Paul Feig remembered Keaton in a statement on X: “I was so honored to call Diane Keaton a friend. She was an amazingly kind and creative person who also just happened to be a Hollywood legend. She has been taken from us far too soon. We will miss you, Diane.”

    Below, more tributes to the late Diane Keaton.

    “It’s hard to believe…or accept…that Diane has passed. She was always a spark of life and light, constantly giggling at her own foibles, being limitlessly creative…in her acting, her wardrobe, her books, her friends, her homes, her library. Unique is what she was. And, though she didn’t know it or wouldn’t admit it, man she was a fine actress!”

    In an interview shortly before Keaton’s death, Paulson calls her the “most generous, just playful, fun, alive, performer and really taught me the power of being in a scene.”

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  • Bette Midler, Susan Sarandon and Sheryl Lee Ralph of ‘The Fabulous Four’ cherish longtime friends

    Bette Midler, Susan Sarandon and Sheryl Lee Ralph of ‘The Fabulous Four’ cherish longtime friends

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    From “Beaches” to “First Wives Club” and “Hocus Pocus,” Bette Midler has starred in a number of projects where women aren’t just at the center of the story — but also female friendship is a major theme.

    “The most fun ones are the women ones, I have to say,” said Midler in a recent interview.

    Her latest project is working alongside Susan Sarandon, Sheryl Lee Ralph and Megan Mullally in “The Fabulous Four.” Midler plays Marilyn, a widow getting married who wants her besties from her 20s to be bridesmaids. The production was granted a waiver to film last year during the Hollywood strikes which meant they had to be nimble and open to last-minute changes to get the job done quickly.

    “It was like someone blew the whistle and we all got on a plane,” recalled Sarandon. “It really was lucky that we had four women who were such pros and who were game to go under those circumstances.”

    While she and her co-stars were focused because they were working under a special circumstance, Sarandon says they made a point to cheer each other on for a big on-camera moment or scene.

    “When it was somebody’s time to be celebrated, we celebrated that person. And when somebody else had their scene, we were all standing around while they got their moment,” Sarandon said, adding that on some sets, actors choose to “not be really involved when it’s not about them.”

    As for friendships, Midler says “there’s nothing like having an old friend because they knew you when.” Two particular people come to mind when she thinks about her own friendships. One is the sister of a close friend who died. “The other is the girl that I came to New York with when we were both 19.”

    “They don’t take any bs from you, and you really can be yourself,” said Midler.

    Sarandon relies on “six women” and “scores of gay guys that have been in my life for 30, 40 years.”

    “We’ve been through kids and divorces and whatever, and I definitely count on them and sometimes disagree with them, but they are definitely in my tribe,” she said.

    Ralph, an Emmy winner for her role on ABC’s “Abbott Elementary,” still keeps in touch with her childhood best friend, Elizabeth. “I’ll hear from her on social media every now and again,” she said.

    “My friend Carol — we met at the Miss Black Teenage America pageant. We’re still friends to this day. All the ladies from ‘Dreamgirls,’ — Loretta Devine, Jenifer Lewis, Jennifer Holliday — we still talk. There are just so many of those relationships, and you don’t have to start from the beginning. You can just pick up right where you were.”

    It’s her appreciation for her own longtime friendships that made Ralph want to be in “The Fabulous Four.”

    “I loved the fact that they weren’t 19, 20 or 30 or 40. These were seasoned women, or, as we say in the vernacular, grown (expletive) women living their lives.”

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  • ‘Abbott Elementary’ Changed Lisa Ann Walter’s Life in More Ways Than One

    ‘Abbott Elementary’ Changed Lisa Ann Walter’s Life in More Ways Than One

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    Did it feel different filming this episode at all, given the reversal in your dynamic and the connection you have over the loss of your mothers?

    Quinta knows that I have readily available emotions. In any scene where crying is easy for me, I can access it. When they wrote this, they knew that if we had to play that we had both lost our mothers, that it would be battle of the network tears. I don’t need to play that every time. [Laughs] So they gave it to Sheryl, and of course I could feel what her emotions were, but my character wasn’t feeling it. Melissa was intent on noticing what was happening and saying, “I see what’s going on, and you need to take a little step back. You’re hurting.”

    Do you feel more comfortable making suggestions for your character now that you’re in season three and have more of a dynamic with Quinta and the writers? How has that evolved?

    Always, from the beginning, it’s like working with a great repertory company. When I was coming up as an actor, doing the Greeks and Shakespeare, I thought I was going to be a stage actress. I thought I was going to go work at Arena Stage or go to New York and do off-Broadway. That’s what I thought I would do my whole life. I never saw TV in it. This [is] like the best repertory company I’ll ever get to be a part of, and playing with them, every episode is just beyond my wildest dreams. With Tyler [James Williams], who plays Gregory, he and I have done a couple of things together where we just feel it—we know what each other is doing, and we’ll just look at each other like, Yeah, let’s do that again. It’s the finding of it in the work. Sometimes it’s just that, or sometimes you say to the writer on set, or Quinta, “Hey, can I do this?” Sometimes she’ll say yes. Sometimes she’ll say, “Well, no, because you don’t know, but in two episodes, X is going to happen.”

    But you know the character; you’re living inside of the skin of that person. I do come from a Sicilian family. I do know how they behave. And the more I’m living in that world too, the more the writers understand that—that we’re an incredibly pessimistic people. [Laughs] We believe that the worst is going to happen because we were invaded by every country in Europe and Africa for 1,000 years.

    Watching the “Mother’s Day” episode, I was thinking about you rattling off Melissa’s many siblings’ very specific names. The audience gets information about Melissa in the best, most chaotic way.

    That was actually a good example. They had names—and I knew what they were going for with the joke—but I said to someone, “We wouldn’t name two people in our family Anthony. In the same family, you would have 18 Anthonys, but it would be Anthony, Tony, Big Red. Everybody would have their own name.” [Laughs] So I adjusted the names just a little bit to make it make sense.

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  • Bette Midler Fast Facts | CNN

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    Here is a look at the life of award-winning singer, actress, comedian and activist Bette Midler.

    Birth date: December 1, 1945

    Birth place: Honolulu, Hawaii

    Birth name: Bette Davis Midler

    Father: Fred Midler, house painter

    Mother: Ruth (Schindel) Midler, seamstress

    Marriage: Martin von Haselberg (1984-present)

    Children: Sophie

    Education: Attended the University of Hawaii at Manoa

    Named after actress Bette Davis.

    Nominated for 14 Grammy Awards and has won three.

    Nominated for nine Emmy Awards and has won three.

    Nominated for two Academy Awards and has not won.

    Nominated for one Tony Award and has won once.

    She was the valedictorian of her high school class.

    1965 – Moves to New York City after winning a small part in the movie, “Hawaii.”

    1966 – Makes her Broadway debut in “Fiddler on the Roof.”

    Early 1970s – Performs at the Continental Baths, a gay bathhouse in New York, with Barry Manilow as her pianist, arranger and musical director.

    1970 – Midler appears on “The Tonight Show” with Johnny Carson for the first time.

    April 28-May 16, 1971 – Midler stars as the “Acid Queen” in the first professional production of the rock opera, “Tommy.”

    November 1972 – Releases her first album on Atlantic Records, “The Divine Miss M.”

    March 2, 1974 – Wins the Grammy Award for Best New Artist.

    April 1974 – Receives a special Tony Award for “adding lustre to the Broadway season.”

    September 17, 1978 – Wins the Emmy Award for Outstanding Special in a Comedy-Variety or Musical for “Ol’ Red Hair is Back.”

    November 7, 1979 – Her first film, “The Rose,” is released. It is loosely based on the life of Janis Joplin.

    1980 – Simon & Schuster publishes her first book, “A View from a Broad.”

    February 25, 1981 – Wins the Grammy Award for Best Female Pop Performance, for her single, “The Rose.”

    January 28, 1985 – Midler joins 45 other stars to record “We Are the World,” USA for Africa’s fund-raising single.

    1985 – Forms All Girl Productions, with partner Bonnie Bruckheimer.

    November 22, 1988 – Releases the soundtrack to the film “Beaches.” The album goes triple platinum, and the title track, “Wind Beneath My Wings,” goes to number one.

    February 21, 1990 – Wins the Grammy Award for Record of the Year for “Wind Beneath My Wings,” with producer Arif Mardin.

    September 15, 1991 – Is presented with the Commitment to Life Award from AIDS Project Los Angeles for her work in the fight against HIV/AIDS.

    August 30, 1992 – Wins an Emmy Award for Outstanding Performance in a Variety or Music Program for her May 21, 1992, appearance as one of the two final guests of “The Tonight Show” with Johnny Carson.

    December 12, 1993 – Stars as “Mama Rose” in the television version of the famed Broadway play, “Gypsy.”

    July 7, 1995 – Midler begins The New York Restoration Project, a non-profit focusing on beautifying the open spaces in under-resourced communities in New York.

    September 14, 1997 – Wins the Emmy for Outstanding Performance in a Variety or Music Program for her HBO special “Diva Las Vegas.”

    2003 – Joins forces with Barry Manilow for the first time since the 1970s to record “Bette Midler Sings the Rosemary Clooney Songbook.”

    February 20, 2008 – “Bette Midler: The Showgirl Must Go On” debuts at Caesar’s Palace in Las Vegas. The show includes the Harlettes, the Caesar Salad Girls, and a 13-piece band. The show ends its run in January 2010.

    March 20, 2011 – “Priscilla: Queen of the Desert,” opens on Broadway. Midler is co-producer of the show which runs through June 2012.

    June 14, 2012 – Receives the Sammy Cahn Lifetime Achievement Award from the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

    April 24, 2013 – “I’ll Eat You Last: A Chat with Sue Mengers” opens on Broadway with Midler’s portrayal of the famous Hollywood agent. The show runs through June 2013.

    November 4, 2014 – Releases her 14th studio album “It’s the Girls,” a tribute to the music of famous girl-groups over the years.

    June 11, 2017 – Wins a Tony for Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role in a Musical for “Hello Dolly.”

    September 14, 2017 – Takes a tumble during a Broadway performance of “Hello Dolly” after two set pieces collide and gets back on stage after a short break to resume her performance.

    June 29, 2019 – Headlines New York’s Pride Main Event, celebrating the 50th anniversary of Stonewall at WorldPride NYC. The event is held at the Javits Center in Manhattan and includes performances by Cyndi Lauper, Billy Porter and Brandy.

    February 16, 2021 – Midler’s children’s book, “The Tale of the Mandarin Duck,” is published.

    December 5, 2021 – Receives the Kennedy Center Honors lifetime achievement award.

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  • Bette Midler Reveals The Surprising Reason She Turned Down ‘Sister Act’

    Bette Midler Reveals The Surprising Reason She Turned Down ‘Sister Act’

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    Whoopi Goldberg melted the hearts of an on-screen congregation, as well as a generation of moviegoers, in 1992’s “Sister Act.” However, a different diva nearly played the lead in the beloved musical comedy.

    Appearing on the “Just for Variety” podcast Tuesday, Bette Midler revealed that studio executives sought her for the role of Deloris Van Cartier ― aka Sister Mary Clarence ― which ultimately went to Goldberg.

    “They came to me with ‘Sister Act’ and I said, ‘My fans don’t want to see me in a wimple.’ Can you believe that?” Midler said. Former Walt Disney Studios Chair “Jeffrey Katzenberg called me every day: ‘Please, please.’”

    Midler, a three-time Grammy winner and two-time Academy Award nominee, had already showcased her acting chops in a number of movies, including 1979’s “The Rose” and 1988’s “Beaches,” by the time “Sister Act” began production. Still, she wouldn’t be swayed.

    Whoopi Goldberg in 1992’s “Sister Act.”

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    “I stood my ground because I really was afraid of the costume,” she recalled. “Whoopi wore it all the way to the bank. So God bless her. And she was perfect for it.”

    But Sister Mary Clarence wasn’t the only iconic character that Midler didn’t think was a fit. She said she was also considered for the killer role of Annie Wilkes in the 1990 film adaptation of Stephen King’s “Misery.” That part went to Kathy Bates, who received an Academy Award for her portrayal of the diabolical nurse who holds a bestselling novelist (played by James Caan) hostage.

    “I just couldn’t. It was too violent,” Midler explained. “The character was so not funny, so without any qualities of redemption.”

    In the years since the release of “Sister Act,” the Divine Miss M has continued to rack up an impressive list of acting credits, including 1995’s “The First Wives Club” and 2012’s “Parental Guidance.”

    Bette Midler attends the premiere of Disney's "Hocus Pocus 2" in 2022.
    Bette Midler attends the premiere of Disney’s “Hocus Pocus 2” in 2022.

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    Last fall, she reunited with Kathy Naijimy and Sarah Jessica Parker in the Disney+ hit “Hocus Pocus 2,” the long-awaited sequel to the 1993 Halloween favorite. And later this month, she’ll be presented with the distinguished collaborator award at the 2023 Costume Designers Guild Awards in recognition of her screen and stage work.

    As to what projects she’d like to tackle next, Midler said she would join HBO’s “The White Lotus” cast “in a New York minute.”

    “[Writer-director] Mike White pokes fun at the worst kind of people, the truly entitled and rich people behaving badly,” she told Variety. “Everybody likes to see them get their comeuppance. I really enjoy that. It’s the great saga of the haves and the have-nots, which is eternal.”

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