After conservative pundit Charlie Kirk was fatally shot Sept. 10, 2025, during an event at Utah Valley University, social media users sharing numerous posts containing statements Kirk had supposedly made.
One such claim, shared on multiple platforms, was that Kirk once said that if he had 10-year-old daughter who became pregnant after being raped, he would want her to deliver the baby. Snopes readers searched the site looking for more information about the purported statement.
Kirk defended four claims in the video, the first of which was “Abortion is murder and should be illegal.” The group surrounding Kirk was given 20 minutes to debate him on the topic.
With three minutes remaining, a woman identified as Maren had the following exchange with Kirk. The transcript has been edited for clarity because both Kirk and Maren talked over each other at points:
MAREN: So I just have one question, there’s — in any case, you don’t think there’s any case where abortion should be legal?
KIRK: There is a very, very rare couple cases —
MAREN: OK, so you do think there are a couple cases it is legal?
KIRK: If cesarean section is not going to save the mother’s life, and the mother’s life is actually at risk, which is debated amongst growing numbers of OB-GYNs, that is the only case where abortion should be allowed. But, it is a growing consensus in the pro-life world that abortion is never medically necessary.
MAREN: OK. So if you had a daughter and she was 10 and she got raped, and —
KIRK: Well, I do have a daughter.
MAREN: Wait, and she was going to give birth and she was going to live, would you want her to go through that and carry her rapist’s baby?
KIRK: Well, that’s awfully graphic.
MAREN: No, but it’s a real-life scenario that happens to many people.
KIRK: Calm down, the answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.
MAREN: Oh, OK great, that’s insane.
KIRK: But let me tell you why. No, hold on, let me ask you a question. There’s two ultrasounds — one is a baby conceived in rape, one is a baby conceived by a loving couple. Which one is which? [points around the room]
MAREN: Your daughter was hopefully conceived by a somewhat loving couple.
KIRK: Which person here was conceived by rape? Tell me which one was conceived by rape?
MAREN: You don’t know.
KIRK: Exactly, it’s all human rights and it’s all human beings.
MAREN: But that doesn’t matter, but it’s about your daughter who has to give birth to it and is gonna be tortured by that for the rest of her life. That’s gonna take away every freedom she’s ever gonna have, that’s gonna ruin her life, she’s gonna grow up and she’s gonna be attached to another thing.
KIRK: Abortion is not a victimless crime. The point is, how you were conceived is irrelevant to what human rights you get. If a person conceived in rape walks down the side of the street, it’s not like they don’t get First Amendment rights or Second Amendment rights.
MAREN: It’s not about that person —
KIRK: The worst thing to do to that daughter is to then say, “Hey, we’re going to go murder the being inside of you.”
MAREN: They wouldn’t even know — like, listen.
KIRK: They wouldn’t know?
MAREN: Listen, listen, listen.
KIRK: But wouldn’t it be a better story to say something evil happened and we do something good in the face of evil instead of saying we’re going to do evil and then murder the being because we’re gonna pander to the evil? No. What makes the West great is that we do good after evil, not evil after evil.
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