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  • Eaton and Palisades fire refugees moved near and far — and often

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    With fire pits on the beach, showers and a front-row view of the sun sinking into the Pacific, Mike and Nicole Wirth had no complaint about their $45 overnights at Dockweiler Beach.

    But neither was their three-night stay there last April a quaint camping experience. Dockweiler RV Park was No. 13 of the 15 places they’ve bedded down since the Eaton fire destroyed their Altadena home last year.

    Among their other sleepovers — from one night to four months — were two hotels, an Airbnb, a church parking lot, another campground, a townhome rental and three tiny guest houses — one at a co-worker’s boyfriend’s house. In between were three stays with Nicole’s parents where their precious Australian cattle dog Goose succumbed, they believe, to accumulated trauma.

    Mike and Nicole Wirth in their Sprinter van in Altadena. The Wirths were displaced during the 2025 Eaton fire and have moved 15 times, including stints of camping in their van.

    (Kayla Bartkowski / Los Angeles Times)

    They were not alone. The Eaton and Palisades fires left an urban population of tens of thousands homeless in a single day. They moved in every direction, some near, some far, some — the lucky ones — only once. For many, home became an improvisation.

    Sometimes Nicole stayed with her parents while Mike stayed alone at Dockweiler to be near his work in Hawthorne. It had a subtle reassuring effect.

    “The van felt like the only room from our house that survived,” Mike said.

    The Wirths, who are rebuilding their home and expect to move back in April, reflect the frenetic side of the complicated quest for shelter for tens of thousands whose homes were destroyed in the Eaton and Palisades fires.

    Their orbit, compact but intense, was dictated by their decision to stay near his job and to oversee the reconstruction of their home.

    Others moved less frequently, but often went much farther, to stabilize their lives.

    Christie and Michael McIntire were grasping for anything in the San Gabriel Valley and coming up short.

    “Won’t take cats. Price really high. Extremely far. Somebody got to it first,” Christie McIntire said in a phone interview.

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    The McIntire family walk through their new home outside Nashville. They are preparing to move in April 1.

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    After spending several months in two seedy rentals, the McIntires pulled the trigger on a longtime fantasy. They found a rental in Nashville. Christie flew with her two girls and the cats, and Michael drove with the dog. They’ve purchased a 3,600-square-foot suburban house to replace their 1,400-square-foot Altadena bungalow. They will move in April 1 when their current lease expires.

    The lease was the first step in a multistage recovery.

    “We didn’t feel homeless anymore,” Christie said. “When we found the house to buy is when we began to feel secure.”

    The Eaton and Palisades fire diaspora has played out in a sunburst pattern of impromptu moves that likely will never be traced in full detail.

    A blurry outline is revealed in a quarterly survey commissioned by the Department of Angels, a nonprofit created by the California Community Foundation and SNAP Inc. It has documented the broad outlines and delved into the emotional and financial stress on those who were displaced. Its latest survey, released for the fire anniversary, found that 7 out of 10 people displaced — 74% from Pacific Palisades and 65% from Altadena — are still in temporary housing, down only slightly from the third quarter.

    Only about a third in both communities said they expect to remain where they are more than a year or two, and about 20% — 22% in Palisades and 17% in Altadena — said they expect to move again within the next few months or weeks, both up from September.

    A sharper picture of mobility can be gleaned from those like the McIntires, who have put down roots and changed their addresses. Data provided to The Times by Melissa, a global address provider, shows that most of those displaced in the two fires stayed close to home but they also spread tendrils across the country.

    (Melissa compiles the data from records including change-of-address filings with the post office, magazine subscriptions and credit card applications. The Times provided addresses of the roughly 21,800 housing units rated by Cal Fire as either destroyed or sustaining major damage. The company tied each address to the individuals living there, whether as family members or owner/renter.)

    More than 83% of the 30,000 tracked by Melissa stayed within Los Angeles County, and just under 95% remained in California. The pattern was similar for both communities: 93% from Pacific Palisades and 96% from Altadena stayed in-state.

    At least 1,600 people traveled to other states to make new homes. Texas (166), Florida (144) and New York (141) were their top destinations. In all, they went to 45 states with Maine and Rhode Island each receiving one. The McIntires were among 50 relocating to Tennessee.

    The preference to stay nearby was strong. More than 2,900 people displaced by the fires relocated within the seven ZIP Codes that had almost all the destroyed and damaged homes, either directly or after an intermediary move. Pasadena was at the top of that list, followed by Altadena and Pacific Palisades.

    Seven Southern California coastal counties accounted for 98% of all displaced people who stayed in California. Los Angeles County was by far the primary destination, receiving more than 25,000 people. Orange County was a distant second at 738. Outside of L.A., Palisadians tended to stay near the coast, from San Diego to Santa Barbara counties. Altadenans more often moved east in the San Gabriel Valley and to Riverside or San Bernardino counties.

    How many of those moves are permanent is not known, but they reflect a cohort of the displaced population more likely to gain stability. About 3,300 were tracked through two post-fire moves, while the number moving three times dropped precipitously to 129.

    While the Wirths’ 15-stop odyssey may represent an extreme, many lacked either the opportunity or desire to lay down new roots while anticipating a return to what they consider their real home.

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    Nicole and Mike Wirth walk their dogs outside their temporary home in Altadena.

    (Kayla Bartkowski / Los Angeles Times)

    “I never did a change of address,” said Sara Marti, whose Palisades rental was destroyed. “Whatever mail I was receiving, who knows where it went.”

    Marti, her husband, Jordan Corral, and their two school-age children stayed two nights in a Marriott after evacuating. Their next move was to an Airbnb in Lancaster.

    “It was a bizarre experience because it was so far from everything we knew,” she said.

    Next they used insurance money to put a down payment on an RV and moved to the River’s End RV Park in Canyon Country. They thought they were settled until a crack in the gray water tank sent their home in for repairs. They moved from motel to hotel to Airbnb until she couldn’t take it anymore, Marti said. They’ve now leased an apartment in Canyon Country. Corral works locally.

    Marti, who works for the community environmental group Resilient Palisades — remotely now — intends to return to be near her parents who are rebuilding their destroyed house.

    “I’d love to return into an apartment, assuming the pricing doesn’t go crazy,” she said.

    Whether to take steps to formalize a temporary address was a decision that some debated.

    Wirth, who organized a support group of AAA Insurance holders after the fire, chose not to and instead has her mail forwarded to her parents’ house.

    “Today, literally, I have to move again,” she said. “What places do I change my address to?”

    But Postal Service forwarding ends after a year.

    “Now it’s going to be a disaster,” she said.

    Landscaper Jose Cervantes, who lost his home as well as 26 of his customers in Altadena, picked up his mail at the post office for a time after the fire.

    After a series of moves to Palmdale and the San Gabriel Valley, his family of five settled in an ADU in Pasadena. But they never changed their address.

    Once he had made the decision to rebuild, Cervantes installed a temporary mailbox on the vacant lot. His daughter Jessica, who handles bills and insurance issues, goes there to pick up the mail.

    Currently spread out over a Monrovia rental and various aunts’ houses, the family is in the process of moving into a nearly completed ADU behind their future house, which is now in the framing stage.

    Jose Cervantes and his daughter Jessica outside a home under construction

    Jose Cervantes and his daughter Jessica outside the home they’re rebuilding in Altadena.

    (Kayla Bartkowski / Los Angeles Times)

    The quarterly surveys by the nonprofit Department of Angels give a limited view of the housing instability that still lingers a year after the fire.

    The surveying firm Embold Research found in June that more than half of displaced households — 61% in Altadena and 65% in Pacific Palisades — had stayed in multiple places. About a third in both cases said they were expecting to move again soon.

    So many moves only compounded the trauma of losing a home to fire.

    In January, Embold reported that 44% of respondents said their mental health was much worse since the fire, up from 36% in June and September, and 39% said it was somewhat worse.

    “Therapy helped,” said Christie McIntire, whose move to Tennessee restored her sense of community but still left emotional work to do.

    “For the longest time I was gravitating between anger and sadness,” she said. “Happening all last year; you just feel this guilt, like you could have done something to get a different outcome.”

    The McIntire family outside a brick home

    The McIntire family found a rental in Nashville and have now set down new roots.

    (Diana King / For The Times)

    Four sessions of prolonged exposure therapy, a technique used by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to treat PTSD, helped her pack the imagery into long-term memory.

    “I no longer constantly think about that day,” she said.

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  • Chris Christie Joins AGA to Fight Prediction Markets

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    Posted on: December 23, 2025, 12:18h. 

    Last updated on: December 22, 2025, 05:21h.

    • Chris Christie has joined the fight against sports prediction markets
    • Christie helped states win the right to legalize sports betting
    • Christie and President Trump are not friends, which could hamper Christie’s CFTC influence

    Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), who championed the fight against the US federal government for states to possess the right to legalize sports betting, has a new target in sports prediction markets.

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    Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie opines that prediction markets licensed by the CFTC offering sports contracts are breaking the law. Christie recently partnered with the American Gaming Association to fight against predictive market exchanges facilitating events involving sports. (Image: CNBC)

    Christie, a two-term Republican governor in the blue Garden State, helped lead New Jersey’s legal challenge to the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA). The federal law had restricted single-game sports gambling to Nevada.

    After years in court, the US Supreme Court in May 2018 ultimately sided with New Jersey in that PASPA violated anti-commandeering interpretations of the Tenth Amendment. The landmark ruling led to 40 states and Washington, DC, passing sports betting laws.

    Now, Christie is joining the American Gaming Association (AGA), a trade group representing the interests of the commercial and tribal gaming industries, to campaign against the continued rise of sports prediction markets.

    CNBC’s Contessa Brewer, who covers gaming matters for the business news outlet, broke the Christie news last Friday.

    Sports Prediction Markets 

    Prediction markets licensed by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) claim to facilitate the buying and selling of binary markets and yes/no contracts. Platforms like Kalshi and Polymarket initially focused on the outcome of real-world happenings and events, from the weather to politics, but more recently ventured into sports.

    State attorneys general, gaming regulators, and certain state lawmakers have said the sports prediction markets are nothing more than sports gambling, but Kalshi and the like do not hold sports betting licenses in states where they operate. They’re even operating in states like California and Texas, where sports betting is illegal.

    Several traditional sportsbook giants, including DraftKings, FanDuel, and Fanatics, recently withdrew their AGA memberships to pursue their own prediction markets. DraftKings Predictions and FanDuel Predicts launched over the past week.

    The AGA is betting on Christie being able to change the narrative.

    They are clearly illegal in the sports gaming space,” Christie told Brewer. “The Supreme Court turned this [sports betting] over to the states. Regulation is very important,” Christie said. “This is not compliant with the law.”

    The CFTC, which administers the Commodity Exchange Act, has allowed its Designated Contract Market (DCM) licensees to offer contracts on sporting outcomes. The CFTC, under the Trump administration, seems unlikely to force prediction markets to cease trading sports contracts. Even the president’s family is prepping a prediction market entry through its media group, and Donald Trump Jr. is a special advisor to Polymarket and Kalshi.

    The Commodity Exchange Act prohibits CFTC licensees from trading contracts involving “gaming” and events “contrary to the public interest” like war, terrorism, and assassination.

    “Just because people brazenly break the law doesn’t mean they should be permitted to do so,” Christie said.

    Sports Integrity in Focus 

    Christie says, unlike legal, regulated sportsbooks, which report suspicious betting activity to state gaming regulators and sports leagues when wagering patterns suggest a game or player could be compromised, predictive markets are like the wild west, where no such monitoring is occurring.

    The things that have happened in the NBA and MLB were discovered because the licensed sportsbooks are partnered with state regulators to look for irregularities. No one is looking for irregularities in sports prediction markets,” Christie said.

    “The CFTC has made it clear they aren’t regulating it with any rigor,” Christie continued. “The CFTC is not doing the job regarding sports, nor do they claim to be doing the job.”  

    Christie will try and help the AGA stress to the CFTC that prediction markets should not be allowed to offer sports contracts. It could be a tall task, as Christie’s relationship with Trump has soured greatly since his 2016 endorsement of the billionaire, something he’s called the “biggest mistake I’ve made in my political career.”

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  • The year I read 20 Hercule Poirot mysteries and fell for Agatha Christie

    The year I read 20 Hercule Poirot mysteries and fell for Agatha Christie

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    For years I’ve enjoyed one-off murder mysteries that friends recommended, but the genre hadn’t really gotten its hooks in me. I’ve simply never been the kind of reader who actively tries to solve the case. My friends who champion these books tend to care deeply about tracking red herrings and attempting to out-sleuth the author. I’m just as content to know whodunit from the very start, as long as the novel itself has enjoyable pacing and character writing.

    All this is to say I’ve lived three decades without reading anything by the “queen of mystery” Agatha Christie, despite her being one of the best-selling authors of all time. But after burning through tons of romances this year and looking for other books with brisk pacing and a consistent ending, I gave in. I ended up getting so sucked in that I started a passion project of reading every one of Christie’s Hercule Poirot mysteries in order of publication. It helped me find commonalities in some of my favorite books, shows, and movies, and ultimately led me down a wormhole of so many others. I love to collect hobbies. In 2023, murder mysteries became my latest.

    I started with the books friends most passionately recommended: And Then There Were None and Murder on the Orient Express. They both thrilled me — the former with its macabre and perfectly calibrated deaths, themed to each of the invitees, building and breaking suspense. I understood, immediately, why And Then There Were None is considered one of her best. But Murder on the Orient Express stuck in my mind even longer, specifically because of its bombastic murder reveal at the end — and also because of the detective at the heart of the story, whose illustrious mustaches stole the show. This is, of course, the beloved Belgian mastermind Hercule Poirot.

    In Orient Express, I got an immediate sense of his memorably peculiar habits: his need for order, his taste in clothes, and his sense of pomp (that he never owns up to). But I was struck especially by Poirot’s morality; his decision not to turn these people over to the police after having solved the crime, because the victim was himself a heinous murderer. Here was a train quite literally full of murderers, confronted by a master detective, and yet all of them walked away unscathed. Poirot, I immediately understood, was in this for the joy of using his little gray cells to solve the case. Is he in more of her books? I wondered, like a spring chicken. I was immediately rewarded.

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    Since July, my Libby app has been a long string of Poirot mystery holds. I made a list of the books in order so that I could strike them off with my handy highlighter. 20 books later, my hunger for them has only grown. I’m extremely fond of Poirot’s eccentricities: his continued attempts at retiring and growing vegetable marrows, his tendency to meddle when he can help two people find love, and his insistence on never explaining what he’s doing to his lovably dimwitted friend Hastings (the narrator of the early books in the series). Even if the murder mystery isn’t always resolved in my favorite way, I cherish passing time with Poirot so much it hardly matters. Luckily, Christie was masterful at plotting out her mysteries, and never seems to run out of inventive set-ups and solutions.

    Reading through Hercule Poirot’s foibles has also been like opening up a skylight in my mind. Very early on, Poirot helped me realize I loved a locked-room mystery, and so I spent a month spiraling into other reading lists. Some of my favorites from Edgar Allan Poe belong in this legacy — which gave color to my memories of being the weird kid who carried around her dad’s battered Poe omnibus plastered in sticky notes. From there, I added tons of Dorothy L. Sayers to my library hold list, before getting into a pocket of Japanese Honkaku mysteries (Shimada Soji, Seishi Yokomizo). Impulsively, I looked for contemporary American authors who write locked-room mystery but for the Instagram era, and landed on Lucy Foley’s The Guest List. I don’t know that I would have found these authors otherwise, and enjoyed each of their unique approaches to my new favorite tropes.

    I’ve also gotten distracted by hoovering up contemporary movies and shows that play with some of Christie’s most famous set-ups. Like a detective with red yarn and thumbtacks, I’ve taken notes while rewatching much of Rian Johnson’s recent work: Knives Out and Poker Face. I’ve honed a particular love for a pairs of colluding con artists like the husband and wife in Death on the Nile, in which a man marries a woman for her wealth and then works with his true beloved to murder said wife and share the newly inherited money. In Poker Face, I delighted at episode five, which similarly showcased a scheming pair — but in the form of two former activists in a retirement home committing a murder together.

    Ironically, it’s the direct adaptations that I haven’t deeply engaged with. I haven’t yet watched any of the Kenneth Branagh movies, nor have I watched the beloved show Agatha Christie’s Poirot. Since Orient Express is what got me into Poirot, the one adaptation I have watched is the 1974 movie directed by Sidney Lumet, with an outrageous cast that includes Sean Connery, Anthony Perkins, Ingrid Bergman, and Lauren Bacall. It’s wonderful as a historical object, and as a film, it holds up as having a distinct perspective, with its memorably climactic stabbing scene, well-performed monologues, and beautiful establishing shots of the train chugging along. It feels distinctly like something that could not exist in the streaming era, where IP is increasingly recycled, and adapted so faithfully it seems to squish a director’s attempts at interpretation.

    As I’ve read deeper into Christie, I’ve consistently found modern stories that pay homage to her work are more fun than those that approach it as straight adaptation. Why reproduce a facsimile of Christie’s work when her style and inventiveness leave so much room for play? She wrote in the 1920s through the ’70s — the world is so different now, and rife with opportunity for lighthearted sleuthing. I’m eager for the new stories her work will lead me toward as I keep reading into the new year. For now, though, I can be grateful for all the newly beloved stories my journey with Poirot has brought me — from Christie or those she directly inspired.

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  • How Much Do You Know About Barbie?

    How Much Do You Know About Barbie?

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    Test your knowledge of the best-selling doll in the world by passing this quiz on Barbie.

    What is Barbie’s full name?

    What is Barbie’s full name?

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    Barbara Khalid “The Shoe Bomber” bin Laden

    Barbara Khalid “The Shoe Bomber” bin Laden

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    How old is Barbie?

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    Barbie is the oldest age in the entire world, 32.

    Barbie is the oldest age in the entire world, 32.

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    Who invented the Barbie doll?

    Who invented the Barbie doll?

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    The doll was invented by Nikola Tesla during one of his many experiments with fake hair.

    The doll was invented by Nikola Tesla during one of his many experiments with fake hair.

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    What is a Barbie doll made out of?

    What is a Barbie doll made out of?

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    Hard vinyl, polypropylene, and industrial-grade goose semen.

    Hard vinyl, polypropylene, and industrial-grade goose semen.

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    Who owns Mattel Inc.?

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    CEO Barbie.

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    When is Barbie’s birthday?

    When is Barbie’s birthday?

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    Barbie was born on Mar. 9, 1959, and died on Aug. 3, 1986, from a speedball overdose.

    Barbie was born on Mar. 9, 1959, and died on Aug. 3, 1986, from a speedball overdose.

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    What is Barbie’s religion?

    What is Barbie’s religion?

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    Barbie was raised Catholic but converted to Islam after moving to Dubai in 2012.

    Barbie was raised Catholic but converted to Islam after moving to Dubai in 2012.

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    What is Barbie’s favorite color?

    What is Barbie’s favorite color?

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    Brown.

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    Why are Barbie and Ken’s genitals flat?

    Why are Barbie and Ken’s genitals flat?

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    Children were too disturbed by her duck-like corkscrew vagina and Ken’s pointed spiral penis.

    Children were too disturbed by her duck-like corkscrew vagina and Ken’s pointed spiral penis.

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    What is Barbie’s body count?

    What is Barbie’s body count?

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    Barbie has had four sexual partners over her lifetime as long as you’re not counting hand stuff.

    Barbie has had four sexual partners over her lifetime as long as you’re not counting hand stuff.

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    Where is Barbie’s hometown?

    Where is Barbie’s hometown?

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    Barbie was born in the fictional town and state of Willows, Wisconsin.

    Barbie was born in the fictional town and state of Willows, Wisconsin.

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    Who is Barbie’s boyfriend?

    Who is Barbie’s boyfriend?

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    A plastic corncob skewer named Ricardo.

    A plastic corncob skewer named Ricardo.

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    Where does the name “Barbie’’ come from?

    Where does the name “Barbie’’ come from?

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    Barbie creator Ruth Handler named the doll after daughter Barbara Handler because she didn’t like her daughter very much and wanted to give her an impossibly beautiful standard to forever compare herself against.

    Barbie creator Ruth Handler named the doll after daughter Barbara Handler because she didn’t like her daughter very much and wanted to give her an impossibly beautiful standard to forever compare herself against.

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    How many times has Barbie run for president?

    How many times has Barbie run for president?

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    Barbie has run for president eight times, but now she’s focusing on producing documentaries with her daughter Kelly.

    Barbie has run for president eight times, but now she’s focusing on producing documentaries with her daughter Kelly.

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    How old is Ken?

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    Ken is both zero years old and billions of years old. Ken was not born and cannot die. Ken created us and will destroy us.

    Ken is both zero years old and billions of years old. Ken was not born and cannot die. Ken created us and will destroy us.

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    Why did Ken and Barbie break up in 2004?

    Why did Ken and Barbie break up in 2004?

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    Barbie broke up with Ken after he was recalled for containing potentially toxic levels of lead.

    Barbie broke up with Ken after he was recalled for containing potentially toxic levels of lead.

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    Who was Barbie’s rebound after Ken?

    Who was Barbie’s rebound after Ken?

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    Salman Rushdie.

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    Why did Barbie and Ken get back together in 2011?

    Why did Barbie and Ken get back together in 2011?

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    Barbie took Ken back after she realized she was 35 and had, like, three good years left to get pregnant.

    Barbie took Ken back after she realized she was 35 and had, like, three good years left to get pregnant.

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    Who is Barbie’s best friend?

    Who is Barbie’s best friend?

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    Christie, the first African American Barbie, though there has been tension between the two ever since Barbie’s “all lives matter” Facebook rant in 2018.

    Christie, the first African American Barbie, though there has been tension between the two ever since Barbie’s “all lives matter” Facebook rant in 2018.

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    What jobs has Barbie had?

    What jobs has Barbie had?

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    Fashion designer, flight attendant, astronaut, NASCAR pit mechanic, dogfighter, university provost, Italian mafiosa, and fishmonger.

    Fashion designer, flight attendant, astronaut, NASCAR pit mechanic, dogfighter, university provost, Italian mafiosa, and fishmonger.

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    Which is the bestselling Barbie of all time?

    Which is the bestselling Barbie of all time?

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    Totally Legs Barbie, which had upwards of 16 legs.

    Totally Legs Barbie, which had upwards of 16 legs.

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    What is Barbie’s favorite accessory?

    What is Barbie’s favorite accessory?

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    The Pink Malibu Land Mine

    The Pink Malibu Land Mine

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    What is the best pair of scissors for cutting off Barbie’s hair in a fit of body-hating rage?

    What is the best pair of scissors for cutting off Barbie’s hair in a fit of body-hating rage?

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    Fiskars 5-Inch Blunt-Tip Kids Scissors

    Fiskars 5-Inch Blunt-Tip Kids Scissors

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    What’s the best way to attack another shopper in possession of the last Barbie doll the store has in stock one day before Christmas?

    What’s the best way to attack another shopper in possession of the last Barbie doll the store has in stock one day before Christmas?

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    Elbow to the gut, purse to the face.

    Elbow to the gut, purse to the face.

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    What was the most controversial Barbie of all time?

    What was the most controversial Barbie of all time?

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    Dead Rat Barbie, who was just a dead rat in a plastic box.

    Dead Rat Barbie, who was just a dead rat in a plastic box.

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    Does Barbie care for soup?

    Does Barbie care for soup?

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    Not particularly.

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    How tall would a human being be if they were the same size as Barbie?

    How tall would a human being be if they were the same size as Barbie?

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    11.5 inches.

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    What was Barbie’s name doing on the Epstein flight logs?

    What was Barbie’s name doing on the Epstein flight logs?

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    Look, Barbie regrets accepting those flights from billionaire financier Jeffrey Esptein. Barbie is very rich and very powerful, and because of that fact, she sometimes ends up in the same network as other very rich and very powerful people. It was a huge mistake to be on that plane, and Barbie never even knew him too well.

    Look, Barbie regrets accepting those flights from billionaire financier Jeffrey Esptein. Barbie is very rich and very powerful, and because of that fact, she sometimes ends up in the same network as other very rich and very powerful people. It was a huge mistake to be on that plane, and Barbie never even knew him too well.

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    What is the name of the first Barbie doll to be in a wheelchair?

    What is the name of the first Barbie doll to be in a wheelchair?

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    Becky, who was bullied mercilessly by the other Barbie dolls.

    Becky, who was bullied mercilessly by the other Barbie dolls.

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    You’ve Made It This Far …

    You’ve Made It This Far …

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  • Chris Christie Doesn’t Want to Hear the Name Trump

    Chris Christie Doesn’t Want to Hear the Name Trump

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    “How many different ways are you gonna ask the same fucking question, Mark?” Chris Christie asked me. We were seated in the dining room of the Hay-Adams hotel. It’s a nice hotel, five stars. Genteel.

    Christie’s sudden ire was a bit jolting, as I had asked him only a few fairly innocuous questions so far, most of them relating to Donald Trump, the man he might run against in the presidential race. Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was visiting Washington as part of his recent tour of public deliberations about whether to launch another campaign.

    Color me dubious. It’s unclear what makes Christie think the Republican Party might magically revert to some pre-Trump incarnation. Or, for that matter, what makes him think a campaign would go any better than his did seven years ago, the last time Christie ran, when he won exactly zero delegates and dropped out of the Republican primary after finishing sixth in New Hampshire.

    But still, color me vaguely intrigued too—more so than I am about, say, former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson. If Christie runs again in 2024, he could at least serve a compelling purpose: The gladiatorial Garden Stater would be better at poking the orange bear than would potential rivals Ron DeSantis, Mike Pence, and Nikki Haley, who so far have offered only the most flaccid of critiques. Over the past few months, Christie has been among the more vocal and willing critics of Trump. Notably, he became the first Republican would-be 2024 candidate to say he would not vote for the former president again in a general election.

    Christie makes for an imperfect kamikaze candidate, to say the least. But he does seem genuine in his desire to retire his doormat act and finally take on his former patron and intermittent friend. Which was why I found myself having breakfast with Christie earlier this week, eager to hear whether he was really going to challenge Trump and how hard he was willing to fight. Strangely, he seemed more eager to fight with me.

    It was a weird breakfast. Shortly after 8 a.m. on Wednesday, Christie strolled through the ornate dining room of the Hay-Adams, where he had spent the previous few nights. He was joined by his longtime aide Maria Comella. We sat near a window, with a view of the White House across Lafayette Square, and about 100 feet from the historic St. John’s Episcopal Church, where Trump had staged his ignominious Bible photo op three springs ago.

    I started off by asking Christie about his statement that he would not vote for Trump, even if the former president were the Republican nominee. “I think Trump has disqualified himself from the presidency,” Christie said.

    So what would Christie do, then—vote for Joe Biden? Nope. “The guy is physically and mentally not up to the job,” Christie said.

    Just to be clear, I continued, this hellscape he was currently suffering under in Biden’s America would be as bad as whatever a next-stage Trump presidency would look like?

    “Elections are about choices,” Christie said, as he often does. So whom would he choose in November 2024, if he’s faced with a less-than-ideal choice? “I probably just wouldn’t vote,” he said.

    Interesting choice! I’m not sure I’ve ever heard a politician admit to planning not to vote, but it’s at least preferable to that cutesy “I’m writing in Ronald Reagan” or “I’m writing in my pal Ned” evasion that some do.

    I pressed on, curious to see how committed Christie really was to his recent swivel away from Trump, or whether this was just his latest opportunistic interlude before his inevitable belly flop back into the Mar-a-Lago lagoon. Say Trump secures the nomination, and most of his formal “rivals”—and various other “prominent Republicans”—revert to doormat mode. (“I will support the nominee,” “Biden is senile,” etc.) What’s Christie going to be saying then, vis-à-vis Trump?

    We were exactly seven minutes into our discussion, and my mild dubiousness seemed to set Christie off. His irritation felt a tad performative, as if he might be playing up his Jersey-tough-guy bit.

    “I’m not going to dwell on this, Mark,” Christie said. “You guys drive me crazy. All you want to do is talk about Trump. I’m sorry, I don’t think he’s the only topic to talk about in politics. And I’m not going to waste my hour with you this morning—which is a joy and a gift—on just continuing talking, asking, and answering the Donald Trump question from 18 different angles.”

    I pivoted to DeSantis, mostly in an attempt to un-trigger Christie. Christie has made a persuasive case that DeSantis has been a disaster as an almost-candidate so far, especially with regard to his feud with Disney. But would Christie support DeSantis if he were to somehow defeat Trump and become the nominee?

    “I have to see how he performs as a candidate,” Christie said. “I really don’t know Ron DeSantis all that well … I’m going to be a discerning voter,” Christie added. “I’m going to watch what everybody does, and I’m gonna decide who I’m gonna vote for.” (Reminder: unless it’s Trump or Biden.)

    I had a few more follow-ups. “So, I know you don’t want to talk about Trump …”

    “Here we are, back to Trump again,” Christie said, shaking his head.

    Trump, I mentioned, has been the definitional figure in the Republican Party for the past seven or eight years, and probably will remain so for the next few. Not only that, but Christie’s history with Trump—especially from 2016 to 2021—was pretty much the only thing that made him more relevant than, say, Hutchinson (respectfully!) or any other Republican polling at less than 1 percent.

    This was when Christie lit into me for asking him “the same fucking question.” Look, I said, at least 40 or 50 percent of the GOP remains very much in thrall to Trump, if you believe poll numbers.

    Christie questioned my premise: “No matter what statistics you cite, what polls you cite, that’s a snapshot in the moment, and I don’t think those are static numbers.”

    “It’s been true for about seven years,” I replied. “That’s pretty static.”

    “But he’s been as high as 85 to 90 percent,” Christie said, referring to Trump’s Republican-approval ratings in the past. There will always be variance, he argued, but those approval ratings would be much smaller now. Christie then accused me of being “obsessed” with Trump.

    At this point, Christie was raising his voice rather noticeably again, an agitated wail that brought to mind Wilma Flintstone’s vacuum. I was becoming self-conscious about potentially disturbing other diners in this elegant salle à manger.

    A waiter came over again and asked if we wanted any food. Christie, who was sipping a cup of hot tea, demurred, and I ordered a Diet Coke and a bowl of mixed berries. “What a fascinating combination,” Christie marveled.

    I told Christie that I hoped he would in fact run, if only because he would be better equipped to be pugilistic than the other milksops in the field. Obviously, it would have been better if Christie had taken his best shots at the big-bully front-runner seven years ago instead of largely standing down, quitting the race, and then leading the GOP’s collective bum-rush to Trump. But he has grown a lot and learned a lot since then, Christie assured me.

    “I certainly won’t do the same thing in 2024 that I did in 2016,” Christie said. “You can bank on that.”

    “Well, I would hope not,” I said. This seemed to reignite his pique.

    “What do you mean, I hope?” Christie snapped. He took umbrage that I would question the sincerity of his opposition to Trump: “How about just paying attention to everything I’ve said over the last eight weeks?”

    I told him that I had paid attention to what he said about Trump over the past eight years. Christie nodded and seemed to acknowledge that maybe I had a point, that some skepticism might be warranted.

    I asked Christie if he had any regrets about anything.

    “I have regrets about every part of my life, Mark,” he said.

    Whoa.

    “And anybody who says they don’t is lying.”

    That said, Christie added, he would not change anything about his past dealings and relationship with Trump. He is always reminding people that he and Trump were friends long before 2016; that they went way back, 22 years or so. Christie told me that he and Trump have not spoken in two years. Did he miss Trump?

    “Not particularly,” he said.

    Do you think he misses you?

    “Yes.”

    “Really?”

    “I do,” Christie said.

    “Has he called, or tried to reach out?”

    “No, that wouldn’t be his style,” Christie told me. “That would be too ego-violative.” (I made a mental note that I’d never before heard the term ego-violative.)

    “But I do think he misses me, yeah. I think he misses people who tell him what the truth is. I think he misses that.”

    Christie had another meeting scheduled at nine at the Hay-Adams, this one with Representative John James, a freshman Republican from Michigan. From Washington, he would head to New Hampshire, where he had a full two-day schedule planned—a town hall, a few campaignlike stops, some meetings. He told me he would make a decision in the next few weeks whether to run.

    Before I left the hotel, I asked Christie whether his wife, Mary Pat, thought he should run. “My wife affirmatively wants me to do it, which is different than 2015 and 2016,” Christie told me. “She thinks I’m the only person who can effectively take on Donald Trump.”

    That’s kind of what I think, I told him—that he could at least play the role of a deft agitator. Good, Christie said, but Mary Pat’s vote counted for more than mine. “I sleep with her every night,” he explained. I told him I understood.

    “Have fun in New Hampshire,” I said as Christie shook my hand and pirouetted out of the dining room. He seemed to be no longer mad, if he ever was.

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